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02-10-2013, 10:50 PM
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They are getting wins, They had the most players over seas. is this helping?? My eyes tell me my division 3 pp could do better than these guys. ok probably not but they move the puck like molasses and as every NHL analyst in the world says, it will come back to bite them.
what have you done for me lately???
8-1-1, great..... pp awful
coach Belichick wouldn't stand for it
, why are some of you's guy's
Isn't the point to improve... If your not trying to improve.... Than you really got nothing
they're off to the best start in like, franchise history. But we want, what exactly? Perfection? 48 - 0? Belicheck once went 16 - 0, how did that work out for him?

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It definitely is getting worse and worse, regardless of the Bergeron goal tonight. A good fortune bounce doesn't give me any more faith in this horrendous, high-school quality power play we see game after game.

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There is not foot movement on the PP and no one putting anyone in front of the goalie. This team needs to do what Tampa does.

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The movement looked a little better tonight; at least at the start. The more chances they get, the more they fall apart it seems. We just got kind of stagnant as usual.

Didn't really take the Sabres very long after that to figure out they just need to squeeze the half wall a bit and we start flinging the puck around the boards endlessly and can't get set back up lol!

I can't stay mad at something so comical. It's been years of this ridiculousness already. The Bruins are in their own heads and it's sort of funny to watch after this long.

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The removal of Marc Savard meant the power play no longer ran from down low and around the boards, but was shifted to being run front he point. Not the best way to utilize the theoretical best chance to score in a game.


They need to move around a hell of a lot more than they do now. They need to randomize their movement. No longer can they plant their feet at 5 different spots in the offensive zone with the pointmen passing between each other, as that became predictable over 3 years ago. Each player needs to work harder to create their own chances, not sit and watch the guy with the puck and base their movement off of him. If you start to move around at random, the chances will grow. You can't "system" a power play. The best scoring chances come from movement, and unfortunately the Bruins don't do any of that.
That's what I feel like we're seeing. As if they're going to be bag skated for leaving a specific piece of ice. No one wants the puck out there, either. Furthermore, no one wants to be the open man, hence the statue routine.

Those of you saying the PP is no big deal. Sorry, that's like saying you don't need goals to win hockey games. What's a PP if not a scoring opportunity? It's up there w/ not getting a shot on goal on an oddman rush.

It's been a long time since we had Marc Savard. Amateur night on the PP has to get fixed.

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There is not foot movement on the PP and no one putting anyone in front of the goalie. This team needs to do what Tampa does.
so you admit that's it's a personnel issue.

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That's what I feel like we're seeing. As if they're going to be bag skated for leaving a specific piece of ice. No one wants the puck out there, either. Furthermore, no one wants to be the open man, hence the statue routine.

Those of you saying the PP is no big deal. Sorry, that's like saying you don't need goals to win hockey games. What's a PP if not a scoring opportunity? It's up there w/ not getting a shot on goal on an oddman rush.

It's been a long time since we had Marc Savard. Amateur night on the PP has to get fixed.
They should be bag skated for failure to move around. The "no one wants the puck and no one wants to be the open man" observation makes complete sense. No one wants to shoot the damn puck either. It's as if all 4 guys on the power play who touch the puck (the two at the point and two on the sides in the umbrella) want to display their mediocre passing skills and their constant ability to push the puck past the blueline, squandering a chance and forcing a clear.

We all know this team's offense is at it's height when the game gets physical. Is it no coincidence that when on the power play there is little to no physical play? It's all passing back and forth. No room for crash and bang as "we may give up an odd man rush or breakaway." This team needs to start taking some damn chances down low.

When you "system" a power play and stop all movement, continue to use the same method for 3 straight ****ing years, the other team can "system" their penalty kill to defeat your "power play" with ease. The only hard part for the opposing team is figuring out how to minimize energy to do it.

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Lot of the blame falls on Bergeron who is a bonafide star NHLer but is very (VERY) poor on the powerplay. (He's immune to criticism on here though.) I guess it will save us from having to give him 8 mil per next deal since he is so good otherwise. Scored tonight. So KEEP IT UP PATRICE!

Seguin is our only winger who is a PP specialist and he's been dissapointing so far this year, but you need to keep him on it.

Krejci is fine but hopefully can kick it up a notch man up. HIs game is suited to it. Doesn't seem to get the better wingers.

Z is Z I don't expect movement. Hamilton is young. Rest of our D's strengths don't lie on the man up.

Our personel isn't suited for the PP. That is why Bourque has been on it from day 1.


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That's what I feel like we're seeing. As if they're going to be bag skated for leaving a specific piece of ice. No one wants the puck out there, either. Furthermore, no one wants to be the open man, hence the statue routine.

Those of you saying the PP is no big deal. Sorry, that's like saying you don't need goals to win hockey games. What's a PP if not a scoring opportunity? It's up there w/ not getting a shot on goal on an oddman rush.

It's been a long time since we had Marc Savard. Amateur night on the PP has to get fixed.
really? I mean is it REALLY?

I remember reading somewhere a month or two back that the top 7 offenses of all time never actually won the super bowl.

I'd like to see what the record is of the top 5 or 10 PP's of all time as far as actually going all the way and winning the cup. I checked hockey reference.com and there's nothing like that there. Anyone know where this info exists??

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really? I mean is it REALLY?

I remember reading somewhere a month or two back that the top 7 offenses of all time never actually won the super bowl.

I'd like to see what the record is of the top 5 or 10 PP's of all time as far as actually going all the way and winning the cup. I checked hockey reference.com and there's nothing like that there. Anyone know where this info exists??
So many rule changes and advancements. It's like comparing Babe Ruth to Sammy Sosa in '98.


Point is, a good power play wouldn't hurt their chances. No one is saying it's impossible to win the Cup without a good power play, but on the other hand it could be the difference maker.

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just go on h-r->leagues->season and sort pp%.

last year, the kings were 17th. top 5? preds, sharks, oilers, canucks, crosbys.
2011, bruins were 20th. top 5: canucks, ducks, sharks, bhawks, wings.
2010, bhawks were 16th. top 5: caps, habs, flyers, canucks, sharks.
2009, crosbys were 20th. top 5: wings, caps, sharks, bruins, ducks.
2008, wings were 3rd. top 5: habs, flyers, wings, crosbys, lightning.
2007, ducks were 3rd. top 5: habs, sharks, ducks, avs, crosbys.
2006, canes were 17th.
2004, lightning were 16th.
2003, devils were dead last (11.88%) the ducks were 16th that year.
2002, wings were 2nd.
2001, avs were 3rd.
2000, devils were 3rd(!)

i'd keep going but i'm starting to see things like "vezina trophy: olaf kolzig" and i think i've gone back far enough.

i think the message here is that a powerplay can help a high powered offensive team. but a look at some of these teams, especially recently, shows a trend towards defense and just trying to middle with the powerplay. i think the 08 wings are the exception rather than the rule. that was a really good team.

the bruins just aren't built like that. it'd be nice for them to go mid-teens, i think they'd do fine there.

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So many rule changes and advancements. It's like comparing Babe Ruth to Sammy Sosa in '98.


Point is, a good power play wouldn't hurt their chances. No one is saying it's impossible to win the Cup without a good power play, but on the other hand it could be the difference maker.
ok then. so lets say post expansion era. (original expansion of course). would that be better? i'm just trying to see how important a great PP is to the only thing that really matters. Got a funny feeling team GAA and pk% and 5 on 5 scoring are more significant, but i just can't find the info.

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really? I mean is it REALLY?

I remember reading somewhere a month or two back that the top 7 offenses of all time never actually won the super bowl.

I'd like to see what the record is of the top 5 or 10 PP's of all time as far as actually going all the way and winning the cup. I checked hockey reference.com and there's nothing like that there. Anyone know where this info exists??
Pie, tell me why you're satisfied w/ Buffalo, who flat out sucks btw, still being within a shot of tying that game until the end of the 3rd? Including after the B's failed to score on a 5 on 3.

You're saying their chances of winning the Stanley Cup are better if they don't have a functional PP, than if they do? You'll never convince me scoring more goals won't help them.

They won a Cup in spite of their PP, full respect, wonderful, couldn't have been happier. No, I don't expect them to do it again. Every game of the playoffs will not be officiated like game 7 against the Bolts. Some will be officiated like game 7 against the habs. You should want them to make life easier on themselves, as opposed to expecting Tuukka and Kudobin to win every game by a 1 goal margin.

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just go on h-r->leagues->season and sort pp%.

last year, the kings were 17th. top 5? preds, sharks, oilers, canucks, crosbys.
2011, bruins were 20th. top 5: canucks, ducks, sharks, bhawks, wings.
2010, bhawks were 16th. top 5: caps, habs, flyers, canucks, sharks.
2009, crosbys were 20th. top 5: wings, caps, sharks, bruins, ducks.
2008, wings were 3rd. top 5: habs, flyers, wings, crosbys, lightning.
2007, ducks were 3rd. top 5: habs, sharks, ducks, avs, crosbys.
thanks RT. I was stuck on the teams and stats section and didn't look at that path.

So it's a little inconclusive, but with a definite pendulum swing toward the "don't really need a great PP" argument.

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I am not sure if this is a coach thing or players issue. But PC now has the Money to get PP help. lets see what happens.

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thanks RT. I was stuck on the teams and stats section and didn't look at that path.

So it's a little inconclusive, but with a definite pendulum swing toward the "don't really need a great PP" argument.
Problem is, the Bruins are light years away from the "don't really need a great PP" group; they are more in the "6 year old kids learning to skate" group in terms of effectiveness.

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since they can't score anyways I want to see them try some trick plays

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So many rule changes and advancements. It's like comparing Babe Ruth to Sammy Sosa in '98.


Point is, a good power play wouldn't hurt their chances. No one is saying it's impossible to win the Cup without a good power play, but on the other hand it could be the difference maker.
well said, against the rangers they could go down because there pp scores and ours doesn't

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well said, against the rangers they could go down because there pp scores and ours doesn't
Thank you.

The Rangers are 29th in the league on the power play, so nothing to fret about there. Pittsburgh or Tampa Bay on the other hand...

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Is it necessary for the PP to be top 5? No
Is it impossible to win the cup with a bad PP? No
Would a better PP than what they have now help the team succeed? Almost certainly

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Is it necessary for the PP to be top 5? No
Is it impossible to win the cup with a bad PP? No
Would a better PP than what they have now help the team succeed? Almost certainly
I would be perfectly satisfied with a powerplay that was ranked 16th. 18%. Basically they would go 1 for 6.

It's been proven you can win a Cup without a great powerplay, we did it. We also had an other World goaltending performance. Go 1 for every 6 on the powerplay and you just make life easier on yourself.

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Lot of the blame falls on Bergeron who is a bonafide star NHLer but is very (VERY) poor on the powerplay. (He's immune to criticism on here though.) I guess it will save us from having to give him 8 mil per next deal since he is so good otherwise. Scored tonight. So KEEP IT UP PATRICE!

Seguin is our only winger who is a PP specialist and he's been dissapointing so far this year, but you need to keep him on it.

Krejci is fine but hopefully can kick it up a notch man up. HIs game is suited to it. Doesn't seem to get the better wingers.

Z is Z I don't expect movement. Hamilton is young. Rest of our D's strengths don't lie on the man up.

Our personel isn't suited for the PP. That is why Bourque has been on it from day 1.
I refuse to support the notion that this roster simply isn't "suited" to have an at least decent PP.

Now I know Julien isn't exactly known for handing rooks prominent roles, but it seems quite apparent to me that Hamilton, as the best passer on the back end and the most agile d-man, should be playing the point on the PP. Put Dougie back there, Segs to the left as he's the only forward we have with a threatening on-timer, and Chara to the right. Park Looch in front and Krejci/Bergy/Marchy/Pevs or whomever as a roamer, and just crack one-timers from the half boards and the point. Build plays from an overloaded left side with Seguin, Hamilton, the roamer and Looch, leaving the Chara backdoor play as an option. I wouldn't want Chara on the puck on a regular basis, he's just too slow and indecisive nowadays. If Z is placed on the PP, he should be there to drop bombs and nothing else.

The absolute key to success is better movement in the overload to avoid getting pinned to the boards and being forced to chip the puck around the perimeter as has been the case in a lot of the PPs so far. Create a cycle in deep with Segs, Looch and the roamer and good things should happen. Seguin in particular should be doing so much better on the PP, but he's been way too stationary and thus easily shut down. part of this I think is due to Chara being on the point, feeding poor and/or mistimed passes that puts unnecessary pressure on Segs to make something happen with very limited time. A better passer up top should be a big benefit to the whole unit, and is probably the reason we've been seeing Krejci on the point more often. If Claude doesn't want to put Dougie in that spot, I'd prefer a guy like Peverley who is a bit more mobile and has been successful on the PP before.

Bit of a pointless essay perhaps, but the point is that this should be fixable. It's a matter of simplifying things and the guys out there being aware of where the other guys are and who's available. But since the PP looked crappier than perhaps ever last night after a good few days of possible drilling, I'm really losing faith in this ever getting any good unless someone new is hired to really shake things up and start over from scratch.

And while I agree that a super effective PP isn't a necessity for winning, it is important to at least score occasionally to keep the opposition honest in a way. It becomes debilitating and frustrating for the players too I'm sure, and often uplifting for the opponents when they get away with stuff without being punished. In the long run a functional PP is absolutely a boost and something that can put games away earlier, last night's game being a case in point.

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In addition to the lack of movement, another thing I've noticed from Krejci compared to Savard is how they pass. Savard would rifle his passes from the half-wall to the shooter. Krejci kind of floats his. Happened last night right at the end of the 5 on 3. If you have to float it, hold onto it until you have a seam. Another great PP specialist we used to have rifled his passes too. Raymond Bourque.

And, for the love of god Claude, don't put a left-handed shot on the right wing on the PP. Krejci likes to work from the left wall. The guy he's passing to RW(Should be Seguin) or defenseman coming down from the point(Dougie) need to be right-handed shots.

Not thrilled with Chara and Lucic on the first unit. But, they're the best options we have for now. At least until the trade deadline when we get Iginla(One can hope) and maybe a different point guy. I'm thinking Mark Streit.

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How about, and this is crazy, almost too simple it may just work, CJ puts out the lines as they are when 5 on 5?? DK/Bergy with their respective linemates? No mixing/matching etc...

Either way, this has gone on for two years, frustrating yes, but I have long accepted that for whatever reason, when this team gets on the PP, I can get up and stretch my legs as chances are I will miss nuthin

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The Bruins should not be 30th in the league with the powerplay.
Geoff Ward should be ashmed and simply fired.
Chia does need to do something.
Make a move to add a PP specialist or simply hire another Asst. Coach to soley deal with the PP.
It's a problem. It's embarrassing. It will haunt this team come playoff time.
Don't live in the past. Sick of hearing the old saying, "We won a Cup with a poor powerplay" Remember as well, they set some playoff records with the worst PP.
As well they are about to set the history books again, having the worst PP in the entire NHL.
It's a problem.
Chia- Fix it!

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