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02-11-2013, 01:48 AM
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Watching the Grammys right now. Why don't they just move the Grammys to the Nokia Theatre?

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Watching the Grammys right now. Why don't they just move the Grammys to the Nokia Theatre?
Not big enough. Status is part of it too. Being in the big building here means more.

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Not big enough. Status is part of it too. Being in the big building here means more.
All the musicians invited wouldn't fit in there? Who are the people sitting in the stands? Fans?

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Not big enough. Status is part of it too. Being in the big building here means more.
Where were the Grammys held previously?

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Fixed video link to Stoll's blown coverage on Detroit's game winning goal.

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Where were the Grammys held previously?
Various places. I wish they would decide to alternate it with Madison Square Garden or something, cause this long road trip every year sucks.

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I will never understand how the kings never being good regular season teams. I don't remember what year it was but we were absolutely dominating and then early January we tanked so hard and missed the playoffs. Man, that one Hurt.

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Various places. I wish they would decide to alternate it with Madison Square Garden or something, cause this long road trip every year sucks.
Chicago has the same thing every year when the Circus is in town.

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02-11-2013, 04:11 AM
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I will never understand how the kings never being good regular season teams. I don't remember what year it was but we were absolutely dominating and then early January we tanked so hard and missed the playoffs. Man, that one Hurt.
2005 ? That was the year AEG Cleaned house, fired Everyone.
The Kings only won 27 of the remaining 60 games that year.

That was a pretty bad second half.

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02-11-2013, 07:00 AM
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I will never understand how the kings never being good regular season teams. I don't remember what year it was but we were absolutely dominating and then early January we tanked so hard and missed the playoffs. Man, that one Hurt.
05-06. Coming out of the lockout, the Kings picked up Demitra and Roenick. I believe Roenick had 2 goals on his first 2 shots in his first game, then scored 7 more goals the rest of the year. Garon was goaltender of the month in December I think. The Kings were at the top of the conference in the first half. Frolov scored 3 goals in a 6-0 win in Boston in early January, and then the Kings lost the next game in Buffalo 10-1(not as close as the score indicates), and the season was never the same after that.

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02-11-2013, 10:00 AM
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Yeah, it takes a special sort of mentality to watch these games and endlessly shriek about the bottom line, irrespective of the game's details. Today was one of the best efforts of the season, and considering the level of play we were at on day 1, you'd hope more of the HF loyal would notice the silver linings and feel better about the rest of the season.

The team in front of Quick did everything right, and he let them down. How long has it been since we were able to say that? And even though he let in a couple bad goals, honestly, Howard stopped at least 5 that could have easily found the back of the net. Easily. So on one level you could blame Quick, but really that does Howard little justice seeing as how we could have one this one 5-3.

Sutter's boggle approach to the lines worked very well, all things considered. Thankfully most of us noticed that. Just off the top of my head, Kopitar, Brown, Gagne, Clifford, Carter, Nolan, King, and Richards created at least one beautiful chance that Howard stopped. 47 shots, good shots I would add. I'm really hoping that we keep the lines intact for tonight vs. St. Louis. I agree with whoever said that if we proceed with our centres in this fashion, we need a solid 3rd liner for Richards.

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02-11-2013, 10:41 AM
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Fixed video link to Stoll's blown coverage on Detroit's game winning goal.
Sure, and then instead when Doughty tries to swat the puck up the boards and there's nobody on Datsyuk, he knocks the puck out of the air with his stick, scores form the dot, and everyone says Stoll's a ******** for leaving Datsyuk wide open. Given the choice of covering Datsyuk at the half wall or Jonathan ****ing Ericsson in outer Mongolia, I'd say you cover Datsyuk 10/10.

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02-11-2013, 11:01 AM
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Well, I meant here in California.

Do SCF games on NBC get blacked out since CBC has the rights in Canada?
Honestly I've never noticed, because I'd rather watch the CBC feed than NBC. I find their coverage is superior, plus I like the game crew better for CBC than NBC.

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Given your longevity as a fan, then you should be all too familiar, just as I am and most of us are, of the Kings finding a way to disappoint us more often than not. Let's be frank, were we satisfied at all with the Kings play last season up until the playoffs? I think not.

That doesn't take away from their Cup win, but today is a different day and that Cup win is in the past. I would like them to erase the thought of them being a fluke and being another team like the Carolina Hurricanes who found magic in a bottle in one instance and that was it. I want the ride to last longer. I want to see the Kings string together a season of consistent performance where they play at a high level and prove that they are a contender for the division, conference, and championship.

20% of the season has passed, after two more games, a quarter of the season will be played. Thus far, their best performance has been in a losing effort. How can fans not be disappointed with the team thus far? They entered the season with lofty expectations due to their Cup win and were expected to win and persevere, even with the injuries to Mitchell and Greene. They aren't doing that now and we're still wondering how (or when) their offense is going to start clicking.
Honestly, this whining does take away from the cup win. Who here thought that ANY team in this league wouldn't struggle during an 11 game stretch? ANY team? I'll expect that all teams in this league will have a difficult 11 games stretch at some point, so why should we start bemoaning our team, referring to the Carolina Hurricanes as a standard and worrying about missing the playoffs? We are 3-5-2, but really should be 4-4-2 if Jimmy Howard didn't morph into Martin Broduer yesterday.

We are tops in some key stats that lead to wins, like puck possession time. That showed a lot yesterday, especially the 2nd period. In the last two games, we've outshot the opposition 43-13 in the 2nd period. That's over one shot a minute in those periods. How many goals do we have for that? Zero. Do you honestly expect that will continue if we keep on pulling up the shots and holding on to the puck as long as we do? Of course not. Even the 1992-93 Senators could win a lot of games if they had the puck possession we do.

Was I happy with the Anaheim game? No. Who was? We've responded well since then and while the W's haven't come with it, what is so bad with our effort to warrant this Chicken Little, the sky is falling mentality? Nothing. Even you have to admit Ziggy if we play like this every game we'll win nine out of 10, barring a repeat of the goaltending at both ends.

I understand that we are roughly a quarter of the way into the season, but you need to understand that the sample size is to small. Yes our offense, numbers wise is bad, but it was damn good last playoffs over a larger sample size. And based on yesterday, it's actually doing quite well. If we get a few of those pucks up, we win easily. Heck, go look at Clifford's drive to the net in the first and Brown's shot in the second (I think). Both beat Howard, but they couldn't get across the line. Just bad breaks. If we had those goals, it's Detroit pulling their goalie, we have a four goal night and we likely have a thread of about 65 posts because when we win around here, no one has much to say. But when we lose a game due to a few bad breaks and a goalie playing above his head. we get some 300 post thread, filled with crap about how we are going to miss the playoffs, everyone should be traded and that we are just destined to be failures because we're the kings.

Honestly Ziggy, I don't give a rats ass how bad the Kings were in their history or how much they've disappointed us in the past. This is the present, this is reality, the past is history. And in the present we have acheived far more than we ever did before.

A cup win should give you more than 10 games before we go crying about the end of the world (and less than that in some people's cases), especially since we had our D desimated from day one.

Relax, have a drink and let DS do his thing. After this game, we should.

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Yes their play has not been stellar, however 17 wins and a few OTL should get the Kings into the playoffs. In 1995, Dallas made it in as the 8th seed with 42 points.
The lone flaw with this is there was no three point games then. 42 points won't get you into the playoffs this year. On current projections, it will take 52 points to get in.

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Yeah, it takes a special sort of mentality to watch these games and endlessly shriek about the bottom line, irrespective of the game's details. Today was one of the best efforts of the season, and considering the level of play we were at on day 1, you'd hope more of the HF loyal would notice the silver linings and feel better about the rest of the season.

The team in front of Quick did everything right, and he let them down. How long has it been since we were able to say that? And even though he let in a couple bad goals, honestly, Howard stopped at least 5 that could have easily found the back of the net. Easily. So on one level you could blame Quick, but really that does Howard little justice seeing as how we could have one this one 5-3.

Sutter's boggle approach to the lines worked very well, all things considered. Thankfully most of us noticed that. Just off the top of my head, Kopitar, Brown, Gagne, Clifford, Carter, Nolan, King, and Richards created at least one beautiful chance that Howard stopped. 47 shots, good shots I would add. I'm really hoping that we keep the lines intact for tonight vs. St. Louis. I agree with whoever said that if we proceed with our centres in this fashion, we need a solid 3rd liner for Richards.
Bingo, thank you Ollie.

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02-11-2013, 11:05 AM
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Sure, and then instead when Doughty tries to swat the puck up the boards and there's nobody on Datsyuk, he knocks the puck out of the air with his stick, scores form the dot, and everyone says Stoll's a ******** for leaving Datsyuk wide open. Given the choice of covering Datsyuk at the half wall or Jonathan ****ing Ericsson in outer Mongolia, I'd say you cover Datsyuk 10/10.
It's 5-on-5 and nobody is at the point. That is a probelm and that was Stoll's job. He's out of position.

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02-11-2013, 11:16 AM
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It's 5-on-5 and nobody is at the point. That is a probelm and that was Stoll's job. He's out of position.
Meh. I'm just saying that if Stoll did what he was "supposed" to do there are many other possible outcomes besides overtime. The only reason Doughty gets to that puck is Stoll is tying Datsyuk up. I know everyone hates Stoll, and yeah he's not great, that's fine...

In any case, bottom line is that the game shouldn't have come down to the last faceoff in the Kings' zone.

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Fixed video link to Stoll's blown coverage on Detroit's game winning goal.
Stoll can't be blamed anymore, blame management for bringing him back but mostly DS for continuing to use this idiot in key situations, maybe twice being at fault for goals in the final minute will be enough but who knows with Stoll, no matter how awful he plays he finds his way back into key spots in key situations.

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I am concerned about the Kings habit of giving up goals off face-offs. Combine that with letting opponents camp out in the slot and you can see where a lot of our problems are on defense and why Quick just doesn't appear as sharp.

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I really think calling up Toffoli may give the team an offensive boost at this point. Wouldn't mind seeing:

Brown-Kopitar-Toffoli
Gagne-Carter-Williams
Clifford-Richards-Nolan
King-Richardson-Lewis

Scratch Stool, for the love of God.

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It's hard to justify calling him up and not putting a lot of pressure on his shoulders, but at the same time, giving him a cup of coffee with the team wouldn't be a terrible thing to do, and see if there is a spark to be had like last season with King and Nolan. The kid, while having a different skillset, reminds me of Carter, just a constant penchant for scoring goals. Even if he plays poorly, he just knows where to be to get the puck in the net, they just come to him.

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Stoll can't be blamed anymore, blame management for bringing him back but mostly DS for continuing to use this idiot in key situations, maybe twice being at fault for goals in the final minute will be enough but who knows with Stoll, no matter how awful he plays he finds his way back into key spots in key situations.
Good point, same **** happened in Edmonton. I'm not sure why Sutter keeps throwing him out there in these situations, it should've been Kopi and Richards imo.

I'm beginning to question whether Sutter is taking this season seriously.

I agree with Richie10, Stoll needs to be scratched

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2005 ? That was the year AEG Cleaned house, fired Everyone.
The Kings only won 27 of the remaining 60 games that year.

That was a pretty bad second half.
Remember 2004 when we picked up Anson Carter at the deadline than didn't win another game. I think the kings were in a playoff spot prior to the aquisition too.
Was painful.
Odd thing is I rememberthinking that Carter actually was one of our better players as we were loosing.

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Remember 2004 when we picked up Anson Carter at the deadline than didn't win another game. I think the kings were in a playoff spot prior to the aquisition too.
Was painful.
Odd thing is I rememberthinking that Carter actually was one of our better players as we were loosing.
Carter was also hurt. Dumpster Diving Dave struck again!

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Good point, same **** happened in Edmonton. I'm not sure why Sutter keeps throwing him out there in these situations, it should've been Kopi and Richards imo.

I'm beginning to question whether Sutter is taking this season seriously.

I agree with Richie10, Stoll needs to be scratched
Who is he, Dustin Penner? When has any Sutter ever half-assed anything?

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Remember 2004 when we picked up Anson Carter at the deadline than didn't win another game. I think the kings were in a playoff spot prior to the aquisition too.
Was painful.
Odd thing is I rememberthinking that Carter actually was one of our better players as we were loosing.
He had one assist in 15 games after the trade and from what I recall, he was downright brutal.

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Lol at blaming that goal on Stoll. Doughty is nowhere near Datsyuk (which is a good thing since Doughty should be where he is). Id much rather Stoll be on Datsyuk's ass and leave Ericsson open at the point, than be tight on Ericsson and give Datsyuk acres of time and space to do what he wants should the puck come to him

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