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09-24-2012, 04:12 PM
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Sabres vs Red Army 1980

Has anyone got any info on this game? I cannot, for the life of me, find any sources online.

I'd especially like to know what the reaction was following the Sabres' win as it came on the heels of Montreal's victory over CSKA. I'm betting the NHL was feeling quite pleased with itself again

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There's a brief clip from the game on Youtube:



Very typical of the late 70s/early 80s Sabres. Had the talent to hold their own against elite finesse teams like CSKA or the Habs, but usually lost to the tough physical teams like Philadelphia, Boston and the Islanders.

The Soviets had a lot of praise after the game for Don Edwards. Hindsight being 20/20, many have wondered if he should've got the call for Team Canada in the '81 Canada Cup Final against the Soviets instead of Liut.

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The worst game by Tretiak I've ever seen - even worse than the 2nd game of Challenge Cup (<--let in 4 goals, with only 16 shots against), and that says a lot. Their defense made a lot of mistakes in this game too. On the Buffalo side, Don Edwards played very well, as did Danny Gare and Ric Seiling, to name a few. Scotty Bowman's record versus Soviet teams was a little 'hot and cold', but here he definitely got the better of them.

The game was actually pretty close for two periods; it was at some point in the 3rd period when Balderis scored the only goal by CSKA, and that made it 1-2, and it looked like it was going to be an exciting game. But then the Sabres scored in the next shift, I think, and pretty soon it was all Sabres after that. Actually, this game reminds me a bit of game 1 of the 1972 Summit Series, with the roles reversed. Overall, in their game vs. the Soviets in 1979, the Habs - though winning 'only' 4-2 - dominated CSKA more clearly. CSKA beat the NY Rangers, the NY Islanders (a game not televised for some reason, so apparently footage doesn't exist) and the Quebec Nordiques.

Even though this was CSKA (plus the Gorky Torpedo line of Varnakov-Kovin-Skvortsov) and not the full Soviet national team, I think you could, IN HINDSIGHT, see some signs of the Miracle during their 1979-80 NHL tour; Tretiak plus the veteran line of Mikhailov, Petrov and Kharlamov (i.e. to that point, two of their most important assets) were inconsistent, just like they would be in Lake Placid, and the defense was surprisingly mistake-prone. On the positive side, Makarov was starting to 'come of age', Fetisov and Kasatonov* were paired around this time...

* I don't remember whether they played in the Buffalo game; Fetisov was injured in the game versus the Habs, I think


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On the positive side, Makarov was starting to 'come of age', Fetisov and Kasatonov* were paired around this time...

* I don't remember whether they played in the Buffalo game; Fetisov was injured in the game versus the Habs, I think
Fetisov wasn't injured, Babinov was (Kapustin as well).

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Even though this was CSKA (plus the Gorky Torpedo line of Varnakov-Kovin-Skvortsov) and not the full Soviet national team, I think you could, IN HINDSIGHT, see some signs of the Miracle during their 1979-80 NHL tour
Tikhonov was indeed reported to have "expressed displeasure with his club's play even as they were beating the Rangers and Islanders" (Montreal Gazette 1980, Jan 2).


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I think you could, IN HINDSIGHT, see some signs of the Miracle during their 1979-80 NHL tour; Tretiak plus the veteran line of Mikhailov, Petrov and Kharlamov (i.e. to that point, two of their most important assets) were inconsistent, just like they would be in Lake Placid, and the defense was surprisingly mistake-prone.
I've had this thought, too. I have it in view evaluating the USA's win. Remarkable as it was, they didn't exactly beat a Soviet side playing its A-game.

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I wonder if the Soviet Players were "on lockdown" when in America or given more free reign...because it wouldn't shock me if they went out and indulged themselves before these games only to show up hung over.

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I wonder if the Soviet Players were "on lockdown" when in America or given more free reign...because it wouldn't shock me if they went out and indulged themselves before these games only to show up hung over.
Wouldn't the Soviet officials be too worried about possible defections to allow the players much time out alone in these cities?

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Wouldn't the Soviet officials be too worried about possible defections to allow the players much time out alone in these cities?
not sure...all their families, children etc were back overseas. Possible defection could mean never seeing your family again...or your family being tormented by the govt. I used to hear that the russian would regularly raid outlet malls for blue jeans, leather jackets, even high quality shampoo/conditioner that you couldn't find in russia...

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Fetisov wasn't injured, Babinov was (Kapustin as well).
Hmmm, I seem to remember Fetisov hurting his foot (after some 'collision' with Mario Tremblay) in the 3rd period of CSKA-Montreal game and not playing for the rest of that match, but maybe it wasn't serious and he played in the two remaining games (vs. Buffalo and Quebec)? I have all those 3 games, so maybe I'll have to check the lineups... if I manage.

Was Kapustin injured before or during the series? I don't have the Rangers game, and like said, I don't think the Islanders game was even televised. Whatever the case, Makarov was his replacement on the 2nd line (with Zhluktov and Balderis), and it was easily the best/most effective line for CSKA, with Petrov's line truly shining only in the Nordiques game (3 goals).


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I wonder if the Soviet Players were "on lockdown" when in America or given more free reign...because it wouldn't shock me if they went out and indulged themselves before these games only to show up hung over.
At least, I think there were some reports during the 1979 Challenge Cup of some Soviet players 'enjoying the western culture' maybe a bit too much, although I don't know if any boozing was involved. Anyway, that may or may have not affected their performance in the 1st game (which they lost 2-4 to the NHL All-Stars).

I've always wondered - but haven't gotten any answers - whether Vladimir Petrov, for example, was really injured/hurt/sick during the 1975-76 Super Series (he did not play in the Bruins nor the Flyers game). Petrov apparently was one of the 'rebels' on the team.


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I seem to remember Fetisov hurting his foot (after some 'collision' with Mario Tremblay) in the 3rd period of CSKA-Montreal game and not playing for the rest of that match, but maybe it wasn't serious and he played in the two remaining games (vs. Buffalo and Quebec)?
My bad, I thought of the Montreal game when you were actually referring to the Buffalo game. You memory serves you right and Fetisov really sat out the game against the Sabres. He was back against Quebec though.

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Was Kapustin injured before or during the series?
He didn't play a single game during the series (December 27-January 6), so he must have been injured earlier. Given that he had played in the Izvestia Cup (December 16-21) immediately before, it's likely that he was injured there, even though I don't know any details.

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My bad, I thought of the Montreal game when you were actually referring to the Buffalo game. You memory serves you right and Fetisov really sat out the game against the Sabres. He was back against Quebec though.
Well, maybe it was my English; but yes, I meant that he played in the Habs game, but was injured at some point in that game...

Anyway, thanks; it would have been a bit boring for me to revisit those games

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He didn't play a single game during the series (December 27-January 6), so he must have been injured earlier. Given that he had played in the Izvestia Cup (December 16-21) immediately before, it's likely that he was injured there, even though I don't know any details.
In Lawrence Martin's book The Red Machine, he says that Kapustin suffered an injury in the super-series in January..


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In Lawrence Martin's book The Red Machine, he says that Kapustin suffered an injury in the super-series in January..
If so he must have suffered that injury during training before the first game (vs Rangers, December 27) was even played because he didn't get dressed at all in the series. I'd rather believe he didn't
make the trip to North America in the first place. See below for players used by CSKA Moscow against the Rangers, Islanders, Canadiens, Sabres and Nordiques:


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At least, I think there were some reports during the 1979 Challenge Cup of some Soviet players 'enjoying the western culture' maybe a bit too much, although I don't know if any boozing was involved. Anyway, that may or may have not affected their performance in the 1st game (which they lost 2-4 to the NHL All-Stars).
Well these quotes from the following article say it all:

http://www.1972summitseries.com/1979...9article1.html

"For a time it appeared that the USSR players were more interested in their sightseeing expeditions. On Wednesday some of them had taken in a porn flick while others, wanting to "see a movie with sex, music and a historical background," as center Vladimir Petrov put it, went to Superman."

"On checking into the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel with his teammates, Tretiak had cracked, "If this is Broadway, where are the girls?" Clearly, his mind was not on hockey."

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Well these quotes from the following article say it all:

http://www.1972summitseries.com/1979...9article1.html

"For a time it appeared that the USSR players were more interested in their sightseeing expeditions. On Wednesday some of them had taken in a porn flick while others, wanting to "see a movie with sex, music and a historical background," as center Vladimir Petrov put it, went to Superman."

"On checking into the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel with his teammates, Tretiak had cracked, "If this is Broadway, where are the girls?" Clearly, his mind was not on hockey."

Oh, I think the odd NHL player over the years has looked for girls when arriving in New York. The question is, 'Could the Russians look for girls and play hockey?'

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Noticed that the full game is now on YouTube:



The goals (Buffalo - CSKA):

1st period:
1-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLQNfZJzuM#t=10m10s

2-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLQNfZJzuM&t=24m45s

3rd period

2-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLQNfZJzuM&t=87m52s

3-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLQNfZJzuM&t=90m40s

4-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLQNfZJzuM&t=99m58s

5-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLQNfZJzuM&t=102m14s

6-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLQNfZJzuM&t=108m15s

Absolutely brutal 3rd period. Up to that point, a pretty good game.

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