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02-10-2013, 11:59 PM
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So many terrible posts in this thread it is difficult to single out the worst. Typical crybaby antics following a tough loss.

Gionta is a fantastic leader and a legitimate top 6 forward. Desharnais is and always was a stop-gap player and he will be here until we can replace him with a big two-way center. Unfortunately Eller is failing miserably in that regard.......

This fanbase is so bi-polar it can be embarrassing at times to be lumped in with them. The only player that the fans should be pissed with is Cole as he simply isn't putting in the effort and this isn't the first time in his career that he has pulled this disappearing act.

My biggest concern is Therrien's ability to concieve and implement an effective system and the possibility that Lefebvre might be an unmitigated disaster as head coach in Hamilton. At the moment these are just my concerns and there is plenty of time for them to prove me wrong. What is wrong however, is fans who overreact after a loss and do 180 degree swings in their opinions on players and other various issues.
The board tends to be bi-polar and reactionary but the lack of size and toughness has been a problem for YEARS!

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The board tends to be bi-polar and reactionary but the lack of size and toughness has been a problem for YEARS!
No arguement from me on both counts.

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The problem is less that our small guys are small but more that they are idiots when it comes to playing tough and picking fights. You play tough against players of you own size and you look away when bigger guys or goons want to fight you. You fight and target the skilled guys, not the goons -- you leave those to the fourth liners and Prust. Gorges and Gio fighting way bigger guys/goons seem a valiant demo of courage but it's stupid, useless and just ridiculed themselves. You fight the Grabs, Kadri and Kessel, for example. Teams target our skilled guys but the stupid Habs seldom do that to their opponent. When Kadri flattened Emelin, you smaller Habs should get tough back at him. Honestly, dare I say stupid Habs should learn a thing or two from Marchand in that department.

This wuss mentality of "we don't initiate; if we receive, our police will do the dirty work for us" is sickening. You should be ready to do the dirty work yourself: fight the guys your own size, target the skilled players.


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The problem is less that our small guys are small but more that they are idiots when it comes to playing tough and picking fights. You play tough against players of you own size and you look away when bigger guys or goons want to fight you. You fight and target the skilled guys, not the goons -- you leave those to the fourth liners and Prust. Gorges and Gio fighting way bigger guys/goons seem a valiant demo of courage but it's stupid, useless and just ridiculed themselves. You fight the Grabs, Kadri and Kessel, for example. Teams target our skilled guys but the stupid Habs seldom do that to their opponent. When Kadri flattened Emelin, you smaller Habs should get tough back at him. Honestly, dare I say stupid Habs should learn a thing or two from Marchand in that department.

This wuss mentality of "we don't initiate; if we receive, our police will do the dirty work for us" is sickening. You should be ready to do the dirty work yourself: fight the guys your own size, target the skilled players.
Playing tough means not backing down from anybody. You are asking them to play like panzies.

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LOL got to love these threads. Winning Habs nary a post on team size, lose 3 in a row and the team is small and lacks toughness.

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LOL got to love these threads. Winning Habs nary a post on team size, lose 3 in a row and the team is small and lacks toughness.
I agree there is an overreaction but this loss really did expose a weakness in our game. It's not even so much the lack of tough guys that we have (I really don't care much about that) it's that we've got a lot of smaller players. Gionta, Plecs, Gallagher, DD... all these guys need to be protected.

This weakness has been here for years. Last season it looked like we were turning the corner but now we've added Gallagher (not saying we shouldn't have added him) and we're back to three or four smurfs in the lineup.

The team has to get bigger up front if we want to win. The club is capabable of making the playoffs but its not going anywhere in the postseason constructed this way.

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LOL got to love these threads. Winning Habs nary a post on team size, lose 3 in a row and the team is small and lacks toughness.
Say what you want, the fact is we're ranked 28th in the league for weight and dead last for height.

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LOL got to love these threads. Winning Habs nary a post on team size, lose 3 in a row and the team is small and lacks toughness.
What makes me smile is that people expected a last place team to become a top team over a single summer...with essentially the same players.

There were holes last year, most of which as still there. Montreal can deal with fast teams. They can deal with big teams. But they haven't been able to do much over the last few years vs fast AND big.

A smurf is blue, no matter which side you look at it from!

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Say what you want, the fact is we're ranked 28th in the league for weight and dead last for height.
I am willing to bet that the Red Wings have been a mainstay in this territory for a long time and they have done ok........

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Playing tough means not backing down from anybody. You are asking them to play like panzies.
Fighting guys your own size is no panzy.

Playing tough against guys much bigger than you for pride and getting pummeled in the process is stupid because you are playing right into the hands of your opponent.

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