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02-09-2013, 06:12 PM
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Don't forget also that Iginla is tough as nails, can win faceoffs and play on any line and be at home. He would fill a lot of gaps for this team.

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02-09-2013, 06:32 PM
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2nd line centers (Focused on FO%, Takeaway to Giveaway ratio, and points plus I read a generalized scouting report on each player):
*Frolik plus a mid-round pick (?) for Jussi Jokinen…don’t pay attention to his lack of production. His line mates are far from offensive minded. He still has 2nd line skill and skating ability and brings defensive responsibility and is solid in the face off dot;
*Multi player deal for Weiss…I am not even sure who to send to Florida or what they would want. Hawks would get a legit 2nd line center and Tallon could get some of his guys (like Beach +);
*Picks and or prospects for Bozak…Hawks get a well rounded center for no current roster players (who could be used in a trade to bolster the bottom 6);
Jokinen would cost more than Frolik and a mid round pick, plus he isn't a natural center. He is much more effective on the wing.
Weiss will most likely be out of the Hawks price range unless Tallon really overvalues his former draft picks.
Bozak I could see being both available and in the Hawks price range.

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What the Hawks will need come playoff time will not be a 2nd line center but rather a bit more sandpaper (toughness) on 3rd or 4th line. The playoffs are not won on finesse alone. The Hawks won the cup because they had plenty of toughness in Buff & Ladd, Burish (in your face type of guy), Fraser, Brouwer & Eager. Jake Dowell was pretty tough as well. Kopecky was no slouch either.
The Hawks 3rd and 4th lines are relatively soft compared to 2010.

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I think we should put in a claim for Tyrell, why not I guess. But doubt he drops to us.

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Iginla...why? They have Kane, Hossa, Sharp, and Saad as there top 6 wingers.

Boyle...they don't need a 3rd or 4th line center. They have enough guys that can fill those roles. They need a 2nd line center.

2nd line centers (Focused on FO%, Takeaway to Giveaway ratio, and points plus I read a generalized scouting report on each player):
*Frolik plus a mid-round pick (?) for Jussi Jokinen…don’t pay attention to his lack of production. His line mates are far from offensive minded. He still has 2nd line skill and skating ability and brings defensive responsibility and is solid in the face off dot;
*Multi player deal for Weiss…I am not even sure who to send to Florida or what they would want. Hawks would get a legit 2nd line center and Tallon could get some of his guys (like Beach +);
*Picks and or prospects for Bozak…Hawks get a well rounded center for no current roster players (who could be used in a trade to bolster the bottom 6);

Jokinen and Bozak seem realistic. Weiss is a very big stretch because of how much it could change team chemisitry.

Saad-Toews-Hossa
Sharp-Jokinen/Bozak-Kane
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Carcillo-Kruger-Stalberg
Bollig, Mayers, Frolik (if not dealt)
You want to win the Stanley Cup, you bump Saad down to the 3d line for Iggy. It's not the end of the world. The 2nd line as is has had a ton of issues as is. 3rd line seems to be gelling and the 4th line just eats up minutes here and there.

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02-09-2013, 09:30 PM
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I think we should put in a claim for Tyrell, why not I guess. But doubt he drops to us.
Why?

Guy has been awful for Lightning these past few years and isn't an NHL talent

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Why?

Guy has been awful for Lightning these past few years and isn't an NHL talent
HA! Totally got him mixed up with another Lightning... I will not admit which one *sigh

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HA! Totally got him mixed up with another Lightning... I will not admit which one *sigh
Let me take a guess

You got him confused with Nate Thompson?

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02-10-2013, 06:53 AM
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Don't forget also that Iginla is tough as nails, can win faceoffs and play on any line and be at home. He would fill a lot of gaps for this team.
Iggy was as tough as nails. He's continually lost weight to remain quick at the expense of toughness.

Unless he's playing a top 6 roll, he has little value. His perimeter play is not linked to good defensive play.

His cost to acquire would be huge even if the Flames decide to move him, which is doubtful.

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02-10-2013, 08:37 AM
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Iggy seems like a shadow of his former self, unfortunately. Definitely still has his uses, but for what he would cost us, pass.

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If Phoenix falls out of contention I wouldn't mind seeing Bowman inquire about Boyd Gordon as a bottom six player/PK player/faceoff specialist.

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IMO...with the Bernier heat dying down, now is the perfect time for StanBo to call up Lombo in LA and talk G upgrades.

Jokinen is a good idea.

Iggy I like the thought of, but the price would be prohibiltive for sure. IMO, I'm more interested in Kipper for the short team for the right price.

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02-10-2013, 04:30 PM
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A 40-year-old Adam Oates for Maxime Ouellet and Philadelphia's 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. A quote from Hockey's Future staff:

"Seth’s Comments: I have Brian ranked at #2. I feel shameful for doing so, however I feel Ouellet was our top prospect."

Oates was a free agent following the season and signed with Anaheim.

Also, Teravainen is a great but not elite prospect. HFBoards ranks 49 prospects ahead of him, meaning the average team has one or two prospects ranked higher. He's good, and would command a solid return -- no one disputes that.
you don't have some trades after the lockout with Top Prospects going the other way for rentals?

Teuvo is elite as prospect. HF ranks him 50th but he is way better and will be ranked higher next time. Have seen rankings with him as #16... and even higher

Guys like Teräväinen will not be included in a deal that sends a rental back

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02-11-2013, 09:12 AM
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I thought I would just point out that David Clarkson would be an ideal forward for us to pursue in the summer, not at the TD. That guy gets some of the most garbage goals in the crease. I absolutely love his game.

He'll probably command over $5 million, but you can let Stalberg go, pull a few buyouts, and do a couple pick-for-player trades to make it work.

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02-11-2013, 09:15 AM
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If Phoenix falls out of contention I wouldn't mind seeing Bowman inquire about Boyd Gordon as a bottom six player/PK player/faceoff specialist.
Definitely. Gordon is a guy I have had my eye on too.

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02-11-2013, 09:21 AM
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So who's your third line center? Shaw still? Kick Kruger to wing?

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If you get Gordon, you have to scratch one of Bickell and Frolik on top of Mayers (send Bollig down). What have Bickell and Frolik done to warrant that? I used to be a Bickell hater, but the guy is growing on me.

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So who's your third line center? Shaw still? Kick Kruger to wing?
Send Bollig down, move Kruger to wing. 3rd line stays the same.

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Send Bollig down, move Kruger to wing. 3rd line stays the same.
Then you have to scratch Carcillo or Frolik.

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02-11-2013, 10:19 AM
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Then you have to scratch Carcillo or Frolik.
That's fine. The team has been lucky with injuries but these things always sort themselves out in time.

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02-11-2013, 10:21 AM
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This thread should be closed until we lose a game

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02-11-2013, 10:36 AM
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This team still has holes that can be fixed.

C depth is needed, Shaw isn't a true C, and Kruger is horrible at the dot. A real #2 C who can win FO solves many issues and puts Bolland back in his best role.

Some grit is needed, this pretty play works great from Sep-Apr in May and June the hockey gets messy and the Hawks need some guys who can play in the mud.

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02-11-2013, 11:15 AM
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This team still has holes that can be fixed.

C depth is needed, Shaw isn't a true C, and Kruger is horrible at the dot. A real #2 C who can win FO solves many issues and puts Bolland back in his best role.

Some grit is needed, this pretty play works great from Sep-Apr in May and June the hockey gets messy and the Hawks need some guys who can play in the mud.
Shaw isn't a true C? That's what he's played his whole career, no? I think he's been very solid, if not dangerous, the past few games and if it's working there's no reason to fix it simply because his credentials aren't up to par.

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02-11-2013, 11:17 AM
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I'm pleasently surprised with Shaw's play at C and he has gotten better lately. We still need another center, 4th line C at least. One injury and we are running out some really strange combinations.

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Not wanting to scratch Frolik is certainly not a reason to not bring somebody in. Frolik is good on PK and that' literally his only use. Have a hard time thinking he isn't replaceable on PK since all he does is hustle and clear the puck. Obviously playing on 4th line for Hawks is not the best situation for him since he has become pretty much completely useless in the offensive zone. When Marcus Kruger is more of an offensive threat than you, that's not great.

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