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02-11-2013, 07:04 AM
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it was like top 5 a day after Segs got his ENG.

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The Bruins have Four power play goals as a team.


-David Clarkson (12 GP), James Neal (13 GP), and Patrick Marleau (11 GP) all have 5 each. Individually, they are outscoring the Bruins on the PP.

-Pavel Dastyuk, Brian Campbell, Thomas Vanek, Andrei Markov, and Justin Schultz (Rookie) all have 4 each.


Now, considering one of the Bruins' PP goals was an empty netter, I think it's also fair to mention that 17 players have 3 PP goals. Including Dustin Byfuglien, who has only played 6 games.

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I actually don't think it looks all that bad. We're getting into the zone more effectively. There was a day when they would have to try three things three times in a row before they gained possession. Now it seems to be only 2 things 2 times...... . But I do think it's improving incrementally regardless of what the stats say. I wonder if there's a "time in zone" stat for the PP. I feel like we're getting it in, and at least possessing it for longer periods of time than before.

Once in the zone I think we're getting looks. But our predictability is keeping us on the perimeter too much. The changes aren't helping breed familiarity. So while the changes have "sparked" things to look a bit better, it also delays the development of those bang/bang, no-look, goals that good PPs often get. I also think one of problems is we don't have a pure scorer, a trigger man so to speak. Segs is close, but he's young. I actually think Marchand is better fit for this role, he can pick em when he's hot. In fact I'd toss Horty out there more often, he likes to shot and is often times clutch in situations.

I'm not "obsessed with a sexy PP" like some, as Pie so aptly put it. But the cellar isn't acceptable either. Granted it's barely effecting our wins (obviously since we've rarely lost), but each of those wins comes at a higher price when you can't extend the lead with the PP. That insurance goals allows coaching to not have to shoe horn lines, or (if claude did it), role 3 instead of 4 towards the end of games.

A lousy PP also effects how teams play against you. They're not afraid to hook you down as much. Not timid about perhaps falling on a puck in the crease, or aggressively clearing out the front of their net. What would be the harm or consequences? A B's PP that's not likely to score. Change that just a bit with something that's other than dismal, and it opens up chances a bit more on the 5on5, which we already excel at.

PP goals also allow you to control the pace of a game, and its momentum. While we might always fair well in total goals league wide as a team, goals on the PP that can change the way games are played. As is stands now it's the other team that benefits emotionally and momentum-wise from our PP.

It's one thing to say we're a cup favorite if we bring our PP from the middle of the pack to the top. That's a tall order especially with the lack of a marquee sniper. But to keep ourselves out of the perennial favorites list for the cup just because we can't stop being the worst PP in the NHL is bordering on tragic.

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The Bruins should not be 30th in the league with the powerplay.
Geoff Ward should be ashmed and simply fired.
Chia does need to do something.
Make a move to add a PP specialist or simply hire another Asst. Coach to soley deal with the PP.
It's a problem. It's embarrassing. It will haunt this team come playoff time.
Don't live in the past. Sick of hearing the old saying, "We won a Cup with a poor powerplay" Remember as well, they set some playoff records with the worst PP.
As well they are about to set the history books again, having the worst PP in the entire NHL.
It's a problem.
Chia- Fix it!
They don't have the worst PP in the NHL.

Nobody denies that the PP stinks and it needs to be better. But to claim that it's historically bad, players need to be traded, coaches need to be fired, etc., is typical HF boards overreaction.

What they need to do is relax and pot a couple of garbagy PP goals and stop thinking about it. Which of course is akin to the "for the next 10 minutes, don't think about elephants" challenge.

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They don't have the worst PP in the NHL.

Nobody denies that the PP stinks and it needs to be better. But to claim that it's historically bad, players need to be traded, coaches need to be fired, etc., is typical HF boards overreaction.

What they need to do is relax and pot a couple of garbagy PP goals and stop thinking about it. Which of course is akin to the "for the next 10 minutes, don't think about elephants" challenge.
After three years, I think the time is in order to make a change with the philosiphy of our PP, if that means a different coach on staff runs it, then so be it.

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They don't have the worst PP in the NHL.

Nobody denies that the PP stinks and it needs to be better. But to claim that it's historically bad, players need to be traded, coaches need to be fired, etc., is typical HF boards overreaction.

What they need to do is relax and pot a couple of garbagy PP goals and stop thinking about it. Which of course is akin to the "for the next 10 minutes, don't think about elephants" challenge.
It's been brutal going on 3 years now and that's putting it lightly.

What they are trotting out there is not an NHL caliber PP, they have the personnel to be a lot better. Maybe a new approach(coach) is the answer.

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It's been brutal going on 3 years now and that's putting it lightly.

What they are trotting out there is not an NHL caliber PP, they have the personnel to be a lot better. Maybe a new approach(coach) is the answer.
Bingo. Doesn't take much watching of other NHL teams to see how flawed our PP approach is... It's terrible and has been for quite some time.

Lucic also needs to watch David Clarkson videos....Seguin should watch some Stamkos clips....See where they need to be and pick up some stuff.

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its four years running with an average to horrible powerplay.

What exacerbates the issue is that the bruins haven't been an average to horrible team for that same stretch.

Somethings up and it needs to be fixed

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It's one thing to say we're a cup favorite if we bring our PP from the middle of the pack to the top. That's a tall order especially with the lack of a marquee sniper. But to keep ourselves out of the perennial favorites list for the cup just because we can't stop being the worst PP in the NHL is bordering on tragic.
Excellent points overall.
As the Preds have shown last season you don't need elite individual talent for a solid effective powerplay.

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They don't have the worst PP in the NHL.

Nobody denies that the PP stinks and it needs to be better. But to claim that it's historically bad, players need to be traded, coaches need to be fired, etc., is typical HF boards overreaction.

What they need to do is relax and pot a couple of garbagy PP goals and stop thinking about it. Which of course is akin to the "for the next 10 minutes, don't think about elephants" challenge.
I think the team would benefit from an addition to their attack.

I don't want to see any coaches fired though. How bizarre to me that it would be suggested. Is the lousy powerplay the fault of one coach and one alone? Does everyone else stay silent? Is the powerplay the only thing Ward does as a coach, or can he take SOME credit for the best start in Bruins history and the second best record in the NHL to start the year?

An addition. I think we need that. A bigger body with a bit of strength to play on our top nine... A positive change. But for the most part, I'm really very happy with this team right now.

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Bingo. Doesn't take much watching of other NHL teams to see how flawed our PP approach is... It's terrible and has been for quite some time.

Lucic also needs to watch David Clarkson videos....Seguin should watch some Stamkos clips....See where they need to be and pick up some stuff.
Maybe they could try him on the 5 on 3?

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Having a crappy power-play especially sucks when there are so many man advantages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/sp...ance.html?_r=0

Maybe the coaches ought to back off and give the players latitude to improvise. That's what Tortorella did recently with the Rangers.

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I gave my thoughts on correcting the PP on the 1st page. Here I'll just say this:

If I was a team playing the Bruins, I'd only ever bring 4 guys back into my own end. I'd play as if I was on the penalty kill always and leave 1 guy Pavel Bure style up at center ice ready in case there's a breakaway chance.

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I actually don't think it looks all that bad. We're getting into the zone more effectively. There was a day when they would have to try three things three times in a row before they gained possession. Now it seems to be only 2 things 2 times...... . But I do think it's improving incrementally regardless of what the stats say. I wonder if there's a "time in zone" stat for the PP. I feel like we're getting it in, and at least possessing it for longer periods of time than before.

Once in the zone I think we're getting looks. But our predictability is keeping us on the perimeter too much. The changes aren't helping breed familiarity. So while the changes have "sparked" things to look a bit better, it also delays the development of those bang/bang, no-look, goals that good PPs often get. I also think one of problems is we don't have a pure scorer, a trigger man so to speak. Segs is close, but he's young. I actually think Marchand is better fit for this role, he can pick em when he's hot. In fact I'd toss Horty out there more often, he likes to shot and is often times clutch in situations.

I'm not "obsessed with a sexy PP" like some, as Pie so aptly put it. But the cellar isn't acceptable either. Granted it's barely effecting our wins (obviously since we've rarely lost), but each of those wins comes at a higher price when you can't extend the lead with the PP. That insurance goals allows coaching to not have to shoe horn lines, or (if claude did it), role 3 instead of 4 towards the end of games.

A lousy PP also effects how teams play against you. They're not afraid to hook you down as much. Not timid about perhaps falling on a puck in the crease, or aggressively clearing out the front of their net. What would be the harm or consequences? A B's PP that's not likely to score. Change that just a bit with something that's other than dismal, and it opens up chances a bit more on the 5on5, which we already excel at.

PP goals also allow you to control the pace of a game, and its momentum. While we might always fair well in total goals league wide as a team, goals on the PP that can change the way games are played. As is stands now it's the other team that benefits emotionally and momentum-wise from our PP.

It's one thing to say we're a cup favorite if we bring our PP from the middle of the pack to the top. That's a tall order especially with the lack of a marquee sniper. But to keep ourselves out of the perennial favorites list for the cup just because we can't stop being the worst PP in the NHL is bordering on tragic.
Well said. There is more downside to a weak power play unit than not scoring goals.

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I am not sure if this is a coach thing or players issue. But PC now has the Money to get PP help. lets see what happens.
Gimmee some Jaromir Jagr for the PP woes. Send Dallas a 2nd rounder & get the mullett in Boston.

PP1:

Marchand-Krejci-Jagr (Creativity, skill)

Chara-Hamilton

PP2:

Lucic-Bergeron-Horton (Cycle game, w/ Seguin controlling flow from point)

Seguin-Seidenberg

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Krejci came up and had what? 1 goal in 27 games- guys a stud now

Marchand came up and had what? one assist in a dozen games-guys a pest now

so, in about another 50 AHL games and 100 NHL games if not sooner- I believe Spooner will be the answer to this; kid really moves the puck and knows what to do it...we need to be patient here, and we should be very happy for a number of years

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Only real weakness on the team but it's a serious weakness IMHO. Not sure what would fix it? Torn between a rushing d-man/quarterback type or a centre who can distribute.
FWIW I don't think personnel has anything at all to do with this.

There's just no reason to believe that the Bruins are one of the first teams in history to find a way to score near tops in the league at even strength over the course of 3-4 years and be the worst, or close to the worst, PP over that span of time. They haven't stumbled upon the perfect 5-on-5 talent level that somehow isn't good enough when up a man. As much as I love the guy and want him here, this comes back to the head coach. CJ needs to do something here, whether it's appoint a new PP coach, take or give up the reigns himself, whatever. There is way too much talent on this roster for such a terrible power play.

I think people looking to solve this problem through trade are simply off the mark. Whoever is running this thing is screwing this up, and one or two additions isn't going to change that. It's been years now.

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Krejci came up and had what? 1 goal in 27 games- guys a stud now

Marchand came up and had what? one assist in a dozen games-guys a pest now

so, in about another 50 AHL games and 100 NHL games if not sooner- I believe Spooner will be the answer to this; kid really moves the puck and knows what to do it...we need to be patient here, and we should be very happy for a number of years
I doubt it will make a difference at all. I think Spooner will be a good player, I hope anyway. But if they can't get it done with the current players on the PP I don't see how adding Spooner to the mix will make it any better.

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Krejci came up and had what? 1 goal in 27 games- guys a stud now

Marchand came up and had what? one assist in a dozen games-guys a pest now

so, in about another 50 AHL games and 100 NHL games if not sooner- I believe Spooner will be the answer to this; kid really moves the puck and knows what to do it...we need to be patient here, and we should be very happy for a number of years
I agree completely. Spooner will play a huge role in fixing the PP deficencies. Also, Hamilton & Seguin will be gaining experience along the way.

However, I'd still look for a Recchi-esque acquisition before the trade deadline. I like Jagr because he loves to shoot, uses his big frame against the boards to draw defenders & perhaps freeing up another skater for a shooting lane. I also think there may be some chemistry between he & Krejci that is worth exploring. Low-risk, high-reward.

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I think the team would benefit from an addition to their attack.

I don't want to see any coaches fired though. How bizarre to me that it would be suggested. Is the lousy powerplay the fault of one coach and one alone? Does everyone else stay silent? Is the powerplay the only thing Ward does as a coach, or can he take SOME credit for the best start in Bruins history and the second best record in the NHL to start the year?

An addition. I think we need that. A bigger body with a bit of strength to play on our top nine... A positive change. But for the most part, I'm really very happy with this team right now.

It's coaching, plain and simple. They have the horses to be at least in the top half of the league in PP.

These players were chosen and put together because of their ability to play within this system, it's why they are still here and why certain players get traded. They play the system and they play it well, almost business like. For that reason I believe this is a coaching problem with the PP. They need a new approach to the PP, it's as simple as that. Losing Savard was a fine excuse the year he went down, but that almost 3 years ago now. It's unacceptable.

You have a 5 on 3, call a timeout to get everyone on the same page and can't even generate a decent scoring chance? They had 1:41 and didn't do dick.

Same old story running for 3 years. It has to end.

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It's coaching, plain and simple. They have the horses to be at least in the top half of the league in PP.

These players were chosen and put together because of their ability to play within this system, it's why they are still here and why certain players get traded. They play the system and they play it well, almost business like. For that reason I believe this is a coaching problem with the PP. They need a new approach to the PP, it's as simple as that. Losing Savard was a fine excuse the year he went down, but that almost 3 years ago now. It's unacceptable.

You have a 5 on 3, call a timeout to get everyone on the same page and can't even generate a decent scoring chance? They had 1:41 and didn't do dick.

Same old story running for 3 years. It has to end.
ok, busy today but i will get back to this as soon as i can. (my fans and acolytes need me ). but regarding the bolded, i think you're mistaken Patty, it was 41 seconds of 5 on 3, not 1:41. there is a world of difference between not scoring on a 41 second 5 on 3 compared to the ineptness of the rangers 5 on 3 with a full 2 mins a few games back against us.

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It is a damn good thing thr PK is rated #1 while the PP is ranked #30 otherwise their record would be 1-8-1 instead of 8-1-1.

We have very good players. I think the problem is the way the PP is set up. I've never been much of a fan of dump/chase in a 5 on 5 situation and I think it is an even more horrible way to set up your PP. I think you need to keep control of the puck even more so on the PP because it is your one chance to get an easy goal so to speak. Letting the short handed team get a clearing or SHG opportunity by just dumping the puck into their end is a wasted offensive opportunity.

Plus the fact that everyone in the league knows how the Bruins set up their PP once they do have the puck. It hasn't changed in 4 seasons. It is too predictable and thus too easy to defend against. You all know the definition of insanity- keep doing the same thing over and over again in hopes of a different result. Such is the Bruins PP.

I think CJ should let Doug Hamilton QB one of the PP units on regular basis starting now. I think he has the right instincts. Yes he will make some mistakes but in the long run I think it will pay off huge. He can move the puck up the ice and he is a very good passer.

At the very least I think CJ needs to tell Geoff Ward to change his approach or risk losing his job. He's just not cutting it as PP coach.

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ok, busy today but i will get back to this as soon as i can. (my fans and acolytes need me ). but regarding the bolded, i think you're mistaken Patty, it was 41 seconds of 5 on 3, not 1:41. there is a world of difference between not scoring on a 41 second 5 on 3 compared to the ineptness of the rangers 5 on 3 with a full 2 mins a few games back against us.
You're right, 40 seconds. Point still stands, 40 secs and the got nothing going. Chara and Hamilton weren't even able to feed each other one-timers due to their position on the ice.

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There has been no PP since Savard and Kessel left...this is not coaching this is personnel related. You need PP specialists on your team. We don't have any. The big loss was Savard. He was the creativity.

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I agree if it was just this season then i can say relax but geez 3 freaking years is another issue. I also don't need we need to be #1 in PP but at the least in the Middle of the Pack is not asking for alot.

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