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02-11-2013, 08:14 AM
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Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you?

It's a shame that most of the population here drinks instant coffee. I have no idea why.
Most of the high-end coffee in Java gets exported. Some stays, but you're rolling the dice when you order a coffee from a local stall: you could be in for a delight, or you might end up drinking the 3rd world equivalent of Folger's crystals.

Also: you need to watch out for "Kopi Luwak"... I just can't bring myself to try it for some reason...
Is it not common for the colonizee to not be able to enjoy the best fruits of their land due to the wants of the colonizer? Just a guess here but the good stuff likely all went to the Dutch for years and years before Indonesia declared independance (1945). As premium beans rise in demand for overseas markets, the locals can no longer afford it, enter Folgers crystals as a semi-palatable, inexpensive substitute and there you have it.

Incidentally, I did not notice this phenomenon when I lived in Colombia, a country which threw the Spanish out in 1810.

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Is it not common for the colonizee to not be able to enjoy the best fruits of their land due to the wants of the colonizer? Just a guess here but the good stuff likely all went to the Dutch for years and years before Indonesia declared independance (1945). As premium beans rise in demand for overseas markets, the locals can no longer afford it, enter Folgers crystals as a semi-palatable, inexpensive substitute and there you have it.

Incidentally, I did not notice this phenomenon when I lived in Colombia, a country which threw the Spanish out in 1810.
I should clarify. I would think that, even with the best beans going overseas, the experience of working with coffee for hundreds of years would mean you could find people who can get the most out of whatever beans they had available. So you should be able to find a local brewer who makes better coffee than Tim's coffee.

With regard to the post-independence continuation of exporting the highest quality beans, the IMF and World Bank have helped institutionalize the practice by convincing contemporary developing states' governments that they can accelerate economic growth (I recall the growth rate was an estimated 5% per annum for an open economy, compared to 1% per annum for a closed economy) by producing high-demand goods and exporting them to markets that will pay a premium for them (ie export them to the wealthy countries, ie to the Western markets).

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Okay, over on the Rangers OT, we talk about sophomoric and juvenile things.

You guys are all....lame.

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Oh yeah? Well... My dad can beat up your dad!

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Its all part of the plan. I've already got the cretins on my OT board in the palm of my hand. Soon I'll have this one and the Devils' and so on until I begin my HF coup.

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(It's a pun on Robo-cop)
Well its not very good....

Cop doesn't even rhyme with coup.

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I act juvenile, and everyone tells me to grow up



I SPENT A WHOLE WEEKEND WITH MARTIN HANZAL'S BROTHER.

And a random question, on NHL 13, do they make you play a full season or can you go for the 48 game post lockout malarky?

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Cop doesn't even rhyme with coup.
Nobody ever said puns have to rhyme.

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I should clarify. I would think that, even with the best beans going overseas, the experience of working with coffee for hundreds of years would mean you could find people who can get the most out of whatever beans they had available. So you should be able to find a local brewer who makes better coffee than Tim's coffee.

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To continue this lame discussion...

That's an interesting fact about the IMF and World Bank. Hard to disagree with the logic behind that as clearly the money is all here.

In Bonk's opinion, every major coffee shop he's been to in Indonesia is superior to what we have here with Tim's so they're doing something somewhat right in local markets from a manufacturing standpoint.

However, from a class perspective, even those shops he mentioned may be beyond the reach of the average Indonesian. Heck, I can't even afford Starbucks here. I don't know their overseas pricing strategy but if it's the Indonesian equivalent to what they do here then I can understand how many Indonesians would resort to instant.

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Way more.



Harlem Shake is a'ight.
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