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how has mcilrath been doing? with asham and boyle fighting for a spot, bickel sucking, and miller's success, is there a chance mcilrath breaks the roster? or is he wayyy more not ready than miller was?
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the forwards have nothing to do with McIlrath. He's the future 4/5 guy looking at our current roster, he just needs time to develop.
i only meant that w/o asham or bickel we need an enforcer of some sorts. we don't have to be a team that fights every night, but we need a guy willing to do it when the need presents itself. by having mcilrath (when ready) we can play boyle over asham and mcilrath over bickel.

w/ gilroy playing as he has played there's certainly no rush.

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The bold could have been said about him any of the past 3 seasons.

There has got to be more than that, whether its strengths or weaknesses, especially now that some get to see him on the regular.
Thats what I was saying I haven't heard specifics about his crease presence or offensive abilities...well I guess that isn't true a few people have mentioned he carries the puck well but thats about it. Does he pass? How's his shot? Pinching? I heard he mostly was covering for Gilroy but that was awhile ago.

Sounds like he's just a defensive specialist much moreso than most tough guy D men. His intelligence will improve with experience and like with all players it's hard to know what his ultimate intelligence will be buit that will be the deciding factor in how good he becomes. But it'll take time I'd have to think with less than half a season of actual pro play we won't see massive leaps yet we basiclly just recently got him out of WHL play thanks to that injury.

Staal, Girardi, even McD, Sauer all required multiple seasons playing in the AHL and CHL until they could think the game properly and react accordingly. McI is going to be more of the same in this regard

Sounds like he doesn't get out of position too often defensively though which I worried about maybe he does I dunno need the scouts to speak to that though from what I've read he doesn't. I'm stinging badly from that draft due to tarasenko but I'm looking forward to him becoming a helluva crease clearing monster who knows when to hit for the occassional big cheer.

Oh and you didn't answer my first question did you mean professional scouting reports or just guys on here? Because if it's pro reports I wanna know where to go and how often they come out did JT have them? Kreider? No ones linking to them if there are. I just see beacon or someone occassionally post about a game in particular (Those posts are awesome).


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Pro's, amateurs, I really don't care, would like to hear anyone who watches him regularly.

I agree, I want to hear about his hockey sense as a defenseman, that matters the most.

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Pro's, amateurs, I really don't care, would like to hear anyone who watches him regularly.

I agree, I want to hear about his hockey sense as a defenseman, that matters the most.
Schony & Buke. I'm serious.

IMO, the surest indication that McIlrath is progressing is that the Rangers keep him instead of trading him. Make no mistake, the org. is keeping a close eye on how this kid progresses. They will give it some time. If they don't like how it's going he'll be gone while they can get value.

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Is McIlrath not playing top-pairing minutes on Hartford? I would assume that shows that the coaching staff likes the way he is playing.

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Schony & Buke. I'm serious.

IMO, the surest indication that McIlrath is progressing is that the Rangers keep him instead of trading him. Make no mistake, the org. is keeping a close eye on how this kid progresses. They will give it some time. If they don't like how it's going he'll be gone while they can get value.
Let's remember how long our GM held onto certain 1st rounders that ended up having no value 5 years down the road.


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Is McIlrath not playing top-pairing minutes on Hartford? I would assume that shows that the coaching staff likes the way he is playing.
Top pairing, ok. Who is he beating out to gain that spot?

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[QUOTE=Bluenote13;59483255]Let's remember how long our GM held onto certain 1st rounders that ended up having no value 5 years down the road.




Top pairing, ok. Who is he beating out to gain that spot?[/QUOTE]

What's the difference? you can't go any higher than 1st pair and he is getting the minutes we need him to get. Whose to say that if our D depth was better he wouldn't still be on the 1st pair?

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Let's remember how long our GM held onto certain 1st rounders that ended up having no value 5 years down the road.




Top pairing, ok. Who is he beating out to gain that spot?
I mean if he is getting 1st pairing minutes as a rookie in the AHL that's a good showing no matter what. He is playing a ton of minutes against other teams bets players every game, that will be good for his development.

It's not his fault that the Whale's defense is lacking.

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Whats the difference? Imagine if he couldn't beat out those guys. I see a big difference.

1st line pairing, that's great, looking at who his competition is, I'd expect it.

Our depth on D could be holding back a player that's ready?

Thankfully he's stayed healthy, that might be his biggest competition, his own health.

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Folks, let's keep the McIlrath talk in the Whale thread, please.

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moved my post to Whale thread

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The most unsung aspect of how he turned a lousy start with the org. into where things are headed now. 180 degree turn around.

Clark
Gorton
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McDonagh
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Del Zotto
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Skjei
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Lindberg and who knows who else. Amazing organizational depth development.
I understand that we are in the prospects thread here, but if you are praising Slats for his accomplishments as a Gm why not mention some current NHL'ers like Callahan, Dubinsky and Anismiov (now Nash), Hagelin, Staal, Girardi, and most importantly, but often overloooked Lundqvist!

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I understand that we are in the prospects thread here, but if you are praising Slats for his accomplishments as a Gm why not mention some current NHL'ers like Callahan, Dubinsky and Anismiov (now Nash), Hagelin, Staal, Girardi, and most importantly, but often overloooked Lundqvist!
Lundqvist wasn't a Sather pick if I recall correctly.

The biggest change is that we've been able to turn most of our top-picks into valuable players for this current team, in addition to finding some potential gems in later rounds. Whereas before we tended to miss out on our top guys and got pretty lucky with the later selections.

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Lundqvist wasn't a Sather pick if I recall correctly.

The biggest change is that we've been able to turn most of our top-picks into valuable players for this current team, in addition to finding some potential gems in later rounds. Whereas before we tended to miss out on our top guys and got pretty lucky with the later selections.
Slats had just taken over prior to the draft. So, the debate has always been does he get credit for the pick for actually making it? Or does it go to Smith/his team since they had done all the prospect scouting, ranking, etc. before Slats got there?

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Slats had just taken over prior to the draft. So, the debate has always been does he get credit for the pick for actually making it? Or does it go to Smith/his team since they had done all the prospect scouting, ranking, etc. before Slats got there?
http://www.snyrangersblog.com/nhl-dr...-in-the-draft/

Smith's guys got us Henke.

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Slats had just taken over prior to the draft. So, the debate has always been does he get credit for the pick for actually making it? Or does it go to Smith/his team since they had done all the prospect scouting, ranking, etc. before Slats got there?
Ah, right. I knew there was something controversial about it. Just couldn't remember what it was.

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Ola, how do you think Fasth progressed? I just read his draft thread. You seemed high on him and said that he was a high potential pick. Do you think so far he has lived up to it?
I saw Jesper Fasth some more this weekend and I caught him live today.

The only negative I have on this kid is that his skating definitely isn't up to full speed after his injury last season. He doesn't quite have the same jump he used to, and he gets into stretches (in terms of weeks) when he doesn't get up to full speed. That top intensity isn't there.

Overall he has improved though. He is really strong on the puck which he combines with very good instincts and a great deal of stubborness. With the puck, he is making alot of good plays offensively. From stickhandling moves to opening passes to good shots.

He is playing on a line with Jason Krog (a PPG player in the AHL in 10/11) and Rhett Rakhshani (a PPG player in the AHL in 11/12), and Fasth is definitely the one on that line that overall has the most quality. He is the strongest on the back check and the one that regulary makes the most important moves with the puck. The two other are both very good at getting pts on the board, but Fasth still has the higest PPG percentage of the two in the SEL.

After a good summer, this kid should make it to the NHL. There are no guarantees, but if he doesn't make it its not because he didn't have it in him. Its all there. And had his skating fully been up to speed I think we might be blown away by him.

I've also seen some more of Oscar Lindberg. I think expectations has been really high on both Oscar Lindberg and Jesper Fasth after their strong efforts in the SEL -- but I definitely want to make a distinction here. Oscar Lindberg is a kid we basically got for free for a kid we more or less had given up on in Ethan Werek.

He is a good prospect who we should follow for sure, but, we should definitely hold back our expectations some. He is not a talent really who should make it to the NHL, and had he not developed tremendously due to extremely hard work and being in a great environment, he would have been a kid we talked about around when it came to spot 20-25 in our prospect ranking.

He has great attitude, he is smart, I do think his offensive skills have been underrated and he can pull of a varity of good plays. But the overall engine that you see in like 49 of 50 good prospects -- just isn't there. He doesn't have the athletisism that you see in a big majority of the prospects that makes it. He can build up good speed, he can keep speed under his skates, he has decent agility. Its not that, its more like that the jump and explosiveness isn't there. His balance isn't always perfect. Defenders don't bounce of him when he puts a shoulder into them.

Who knows where he will end up. I certainly don't. But I wouldn't even be so sure that he even would have a big impact in the AHL. He needs to find ways to get by without being a top skater in the NA game. He needs to make it work with his linesmates, who ever they are, in NA the same way he has in the SEL. Alot of ifs.


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Let's remember how long our GM held onto certain 1st rounders that ended up having no value 5 years down the road.




Top pairing, ok. Who is he beating out to gain that spot?
Shoot who are ya referencing here? Can't be sanguinetti. Jessiman?

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Fasth is outscoring two guys who were PPG in the AHL, which is a great sign. Last year only 5 guys had over PPG and only 1 had over 1.1 ppg, among those who played over 50 games in the AHL. There are so few high scorers in the AHL because they tend to get called up after a few weeks or a couple of months. The exception being one-way perimeter guys or very slow players, neither of which applies to Fasth.

Based on Ola's description, he should be in the NHL next season, either to start the year or by Christmas at the latest.

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I saw Jesper Fasth some more this weekend and I caught him live today.

The only negative I have on this kid is that his skating definitely isn't up to full speed after his injury last season. He doesn't quite have the same jump he used to, and he gets into stretches (in terms of weeks) when he doesn't get up to full speed. That top intensity isn't there.

Overall he has improved though. He is really strong on the puck which he combines with very good instincts and a great deal of stubborness. With the puck, he is making alot of good plays offensively. From stickhandling moves to opening passes to good shots.

He is playing on a line with Jason Krog (a PPG player in the AHL in 10/11) and Rhett Rakhshani (a PPG player in the AHL in 11/12), and Fasth is definitely the one on that line that overall has the most quality. He is the strongest on the back check and the one that regulary makes the most important moves with the puck. The two other are both very good at getting pts on the board, but Fasth still has the higest PPG percentage of the two in the SEL.

After a good summer, this kid should make it to the NHL. There are no guarantees, but if he doesn't make it its not because he didn't have it in him. Its all there. And had his skating fully been up to speed I think we might be blown away by him.

I've also seen some more of Oscar Lindberg. I think expectations has been really high on both Oscar Lindberg and Jesper Fasth after their strong efforts in the SEL -- but I definitely want to make a distinction here. Oscar Lindberg is a kid we basically got for free for a kid we more or less had given up on in Ethan Werek.

He is a good prospect who we should follow for sure, but, we should definitely hold back our expectations some. He is not a talent really who should make it to the NHL, and had he not developed tremendously due to extremely hard work and being in a great environment, he would have been a kid we talked about around when it came to spot 20-25 in our prospect ranking.

He has great attitude, he is smart, I do think his offensive skills have been underrated and he can pull of a varity of good plays. But the overall engine that you see in like 49 of 50 good prospects -- just isn't there. He doesn't have the athletisism that you see in a big majority of the prospects that makes it. He can build up good speed, he can keep speed under his skates, he has decent agility. Its not that, its more like that the jump and explosiveness isn't there. His balance isn't always perfect.

Who knows where he will end up. I certainly don't. But I wouldn't even be so sure that he even would have a big impact in the AHL. He needs to find ways to get by without being a top skater in the NA game. He needs to make it work with his linesmates, who ever they are, in NA the same way he has in the SEL. Alot of ifs.
Thanks for the report.

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I've also seen some more of Oscar Lindberg. I think expectations has been really high on both Oscar Lindberg and Jesper Fasth after their strong efforts in the SEL -- but I definitely want to make a distinction here. Oscar Lindberg is a kid we basically got for free for a kid we more or less had given up on in Ethan Werek.

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Thanks for the extensive write-up, Ola.

How is Lindberg on faceoffs currently?

We heard of incredible faceoff stats when we acquired him. How has he adjusted to faceoffs at this higher level?

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Thanks for the extensive write-up, Ola.

How is Lindberg on faceoffs currently?

We heard of incredible faceoff stats when we acquired him. How has he adjusted to faceoffs at this higher level?
He's 6th in the SEL with a respective 55,96%.

I've not noticed him as a FO wiz in the SEL in the sense that he is talked about being a threat on FO's like the absolute best FO guys are at times. But he is undoubtedly very good there.

http://estat.hockeyligan.se/c/LPlaye...s.aspx?LId=250

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Hey folks. Fast can join the team after his season right? If so where would he have a spot on the team? Seems like all of our wingers are set. I mean, do you want to play him on the 4th line with Powe and Halpern? I like our 4th line a lot but that seems like a waste and might make the line a little less tougher.

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Hey folks. Fast can join the team after his season right? If so where would he have a spot on the team? Seems like all of our wingers are set. I mean, do you want to play him on the 4th line with Powe and Halpern? I like our 4th line a lot but that seems like a waste and might make the line a little less tougher.
Halpern is UFA after the season. And then you don't know what will happen with a guy like Boyle. If Fasth shows he's ready then the team will find a spot for him.

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