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02-10-2013, 02:30 PM
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What a joke.Grigs gets an assist on the gwg, he has been a +1 three games in a row and gets scratched.

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Calm down it makes some sense against boston get as much grit in the lineup as you can

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Calm down it makes some sense against boston get as much grit in the lineup as you can


Again with the calm down Lindy?

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Again with the calm down Lindy?
Seriously? I want lindy gone but you're reaching. What has grigs done to deserve lots of ice time with our best players? Boston did this same thing with seguin, I don't think there is anything wrong with benching an 18 year old against the most physical team in the game

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02-10-2013, 05:20 PM
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Seriously? I want lindy gone but you're reaching. What has grigs done to deserve lots of ice time with our best players? Boston did this same thing with seguin, I don't think there is anything wrong with benching an 18 year old against the most physical team in the game
Benching. Right there's the problem. Didn't he help us get two points last night? Didn't Lindy mismanage him last night?
Cripes didn't Lindy effectively bench him in the 1st and 2nd last night? If that's ok with you than why not treat him the same way tonight and be selective about who he plays against? As opposed to say, benching?
Wait a minute I know why. Because Lindy cant match lines even at home I suppose. That's not part of his coaching acumen. What's that? That's what Adams or Patrick can do? Ha. Neither one is good for it either. Or much of anything for that matter.
Speaking of this and Lindy, hiring Adam's was a stupid mistake. What is this? Erie County Government where you hire buddies regardless of qualifications?

I guess you're right. CALM DOWN!

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02-10-2013, 05:25 PM
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Seguin had 22 points in 71 games his rookie year. It's not a big deal that Grigs is being benched. I don't agree with it, but it's not a huge deal. He knows he has work to do, he knew what he was getting into when they told him he was staying in Buffalo. He's learning how to be a professional and what it's going to take to play in this league. Maybe watching a game from the press box will help spark him.

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Benching. Right there's the problem. Didn't he help us get two points last night? Didn't Lindy mismanage him last night?
Cripes didn't Lindy effectively bench him in the 1st and 2nd last night? If that's ok with you than why not treat him the same way tonight and be selective about who he plays against? As opposed to say, benching?
Wait a minute I know why. Because Lindy cant match lines even at home I suppose. That's not part of his coaching acumen. What's that? That's what Adams or Patrick can do? Ha. Neither one is good for it either. Or much of anything for that matter.
Speaking of this and Lindy, hiring Adam's was a stupid mistake. What is this? Erie County Government where you hire buddies regardless of qualifications?

I guess you're right. CALM DOWN!
I'm the biggest Lindy hater you'll find, but I don't see how he's mismanaging him. His compete level is not high enough and he needs to play a lot harder if he wants to earn his ice time.


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02-10-2013, 05:28 PM
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I don't hate benching him in this spot. I'd rather him be in the lineup, but a game off to watch from above isn't all bad.

That said, I wish we didn't have Lindy making that decision.

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02-10-2013, 05:41 PM
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Let him play. Swim with the sharks or die. Playing against tough guys shouldn't make any difference when Lindy puts him out there with playmaker Hecht and tough guy Scott. Again!

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02-10-2013, 05:46 PM
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Let him play. Swim with the sharks or die. Playing against tough guys shouldn't make any difference when Lindy puts him out there with playmaker Hecht and tough guy Scott. Again!
Who else will he displace? He doesn't deserve to be in the top 6 the way he's been playing. He needs to work harder if he wants an opportunity to play there. From what I've seen he's been slow, tentative and soft. I will say that he needs the puck on his stick more, but as of right now he's not even close to top 6 material. Have you seen his play along the boards? Downright pathetic, he barely attempts to battle for the puck.

I know everyone loves the kid and wants him to succeed myself included but can we be real? He's not ready yet, he looks like Adam did when Adam went into invisible mode except Adam wasn't as soft.

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Who else will he displace? He doesn't deserve to be in the top 6 the way he's been playing. He needs to work harder if he wants an opportunity to play there. From what I've seen he's been slow, tentative and soft. I will say that he needs the puck on his stick more, but as of right now he's not even close to top 6 material. Have you seen his play along the boards? Downright pathetic, he barely attempts to battle for the puck.

I know everyone loves the kid and wants him to succeed myself included but can we be real? He's not ready yet, he looks like Adam did when Adam went into invisible mode except Adam wasn't as soft.
He's done more to earn being there this year than Stafford has.

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02-10-2013, 06:22 PM
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scott needs his 3 minutes of ice time

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Against the Bruins, Scott is playing regardless of Grigorenko.

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I know everyone loves the kid and wants him to succeed myself included but can we be real? He's not ready yet, he looks like Adam did when Adam went into invisible mode except Adam wasn't as soft.
I understand and semi agree with you. But your point brings to mind another Lindy triumph in Adam. I guess he really showed him. Atta boy Lindy. Chris Butler who I think is useless, says hello also. Another young guy that couldn't do Lindy's way.
Well it's not just me who thinks he's useless so Butler is a bad hello.
Actually let me spin this the other way. Hey Chris Butler, Lindy says hello!

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02-11-2013, 10:23 AM
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This is why he should have been sent back to Quebec.

Giving him 4th line minutes or scratching him won't help him develop.

I get the whole "you will get minutes when you earn them" philosophy but that doesn't really work for a prospect like this. Unless you are certain that he's going to earn those minutes before hand, you send him back so he can play and tell him to focus on improving his foot speed.

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02-11-2013, 11:41 AM
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This is why he should have been sent back to Quebec.

Giving him 4th line minutes or scratching him won't help him develop.

I get the whole "you will get minutes when you earn them" philosophy but that doesn't really work for a prospect like this. Unless you are certain that he's going to earn those minutes before hand, you send him back so he can play and tell him to focus on improving his foot speed.
He's learning how to be a professional and play the pro game. Part of that means accepting a diminished role and taking your chances, when you get them, to thrive. Plenty of good hockey players have been healthy scratches when they were younger. I don't see that as an actual problem. I do think the linemates Grigs gets are a point of concern, though. It'd be nice to see Ruff actually use his offensive weapons and gave Grigs a chance to as well: double shift Vanek, so he plays with Grigs sometimes and with Hodgson/Pominville.

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02-11-2013, 11:46 AM
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I don't see how dipsy doodling through players that can barely defend you in juniors will help him develop. Maybe it's just me?

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I don't see how dipsy doodling through players that can barely defend you in juniors will help him develop. Maybe it's just me?
No, that's a legitimate argument.

When a certain level of hockey is too easy for you, it's time to move up.

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No, that's a legitimate argument.

When a certain level of hockey is too easy for you, it's time to move up.
At the same time, I can see why it would be detrimental to have him be scratched or sitting on the bench for the majority of the game. But here at least he is learning what it's going to take to play the NHl game.

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No, that's a legitimate argument.

When a certain level of hockey is too easy for you, it's time to move up.
He was too good for the Q? He was producing as a top-flight draft pick should, but he wasn't unstoppable.

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It's still horrible asset management to burn a year of his ELC and eligibility - and for what? The majority of his playing time came during his 5 game tryout. Now he has been playing with scrubs or not at all.

The fact is, he could have been the best player on a Memorial Cup contender. Now he is a healthy scratch on one of the worst teams in the NHL. Is this really better for his development? Couldn't they have learned from Girgensons terrible start?

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He was too good for the Q? He was producing as a top-flight draft pick should, but he wasn't unstoppable.
Exactly this.

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Time to get him away from this dumpster fire and back into a winning environment.

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I don't hate the idea of benching him in the abstract, but last night didn't sit right with me.

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Time to get him away from this dumpster fire and back into a winning environment.
That'd probably be best, but I doubt it happens.

It'd be admitting that they made a mistake in evaluating him and possibly the team as a whole, and makes the wasted $925,000 ELC year look worse than it already was from the start.

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That'd probably be best, but I doubt it happens.

It'd be admitting that they made a mistake in evaluating him and possibly the team as a whole, and makes the wasted $925,000 ELC year look worse than it already was from the start.
They already look pretty bad. This is another instance where Ted needs to be paying attention. The long-term good of the team is more important than some part of the Ruff-Regier Master-Blaster losing face.

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