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02-11-2013, 12:00 PM
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At this point, no.

Frattin isn't going anywhere. He's our 2nd best RW behind Kessel at this point, and trading him would be foolish. Bernier is going UFA at the end of the season anyway, so it's not like we won't have an opportunity to offer him a contract.

I'm all for trading Macarthur, and possibly packaging him with one of our depth D for either a better pick or prospect, or either speed or size in the top-9 (Clowe/Raymond).

Perry is a pipe dream - he's not hitting the market because Anaheim is going to lock him up.

It would have been nice to pull the trigger on Nash, but we'd all be freaking out if he had 9 pts in 11 games while Kadri and Gardiner thrived playing top-6 minutes in CLB. Not to mention we'd have no 1st this year. So yah, it would be nice to have seen BB jump on a move for Nash or Kovy, but I'm still not convinced those moves were the right thing to do at the moment.

Besides, with Frattin emerging as a legit scoring threat with Kadri it forces more teams to respect that line, opening more ice and more opportunity for Kessel.
If we got Perry, Frattin would probably be our 4th best RW, since Kulimen's been playing that side lately, and I think he's still the better of the two. The only reason I dealt him was because I didn't know where he really fit with all of the wing depth, and it was easier to come up with a somewhat reasonable trade involving him since that kind of deal had been speculated before.

And I wasn't trying to imply anything about the likelihood of us acquiring Perry, maybe it is a pipe dream. But the post I was responding to was talking about what getting a guy like Perry would do for us, which is exactly what you were just saying Frattin's outbreak will do for Kessel, so I put him in there and Frattin seemed like a good chip to use if he could be moved to upgrade a position of need. I have faith in Reimer, and have loved him since day one, I think he's a fantastic kid with a ton of heart and he has the potential to be a great goalie. But he's still inexperienced, and he's had issues after his injury with finding consistency (though, again, I think he's played consistently well this season), and if we had a chance to get a guy like Bernier, who will be an RFA at the end of this season, not a UFA, that could really help solidify us in a position that we've always been saying we need to solidify. We get a second shot at one of these good, young goalies turning into something like a top #1, and in the meantime can roll them 41 a-piece and let them develop together with the team.

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I want ROR on this team but I think we are undervaluing Bozak's contribution to this team. I think he's a legit top 6C.

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02-11-2013, 12:15 PM
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If Perry come out and says he wants to test Free agency, the last thing I would want to do is trade assets for him. Especially Kulemin's and first's. If Perry says he's going to test free agency, why would be all of a sudden change his mind once being traded here, unless he was already interested in signing here. Then in that case it would be better to just wait without giving up anything.

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If Perry come out and says he wants to test Free agency, the last thing I would want to do is trade assets for him. Especially Kulemin's and first's. If Perry says he's going to test free agency, why would be all of a sudden change his mind once being traded here, unless he was already interested in signing here. Then in that case it would be better to just wait without giving up anything.
Have to agree. This team doesn't have the depth to make a trade like that.

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02-11-2013, 12:22 PM
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Darcy Hordichuk on waivers....

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How about Colborne + 2nd for Mark Giordano?

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How about Colborne + 2nd for Mark Giordano?
love Gio but again leafs have a logjam at LD

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With Brown and Gunnarsson ready to return soon.

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Leafs are currently one under 23-man limit. Could have difficult decision when both players are ready to return.

Kulemin and Steckel to Pittsburgh for Brandon Sutter

Kulemin as a winger for Malkin and Steckel to center their 3rd line, it also leaves a spot open for Lupul when he's ready to return.

Currently Sutter is their 3rd line center behind Crosby and Malkin and they may be willing to part with him to get Kulemin, he could be that big young center we need.

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02-11-2013, 12:57 PM
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With Brown and Gunnarsson ready to return soon.

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050
Leafs are currently one under 23-man limit. Could have difficult decision when both players are ready to return.

Kulemin and Steckel to Pittsburgh for Brandon Sutter

Kulemin as a winger for Malkin and Steckel to center their 3rd line, it also leaves a spot open for Lupul when he's ready to return.

Currently Sutter is their 3rd line center behind Crosby and Malkin and they may be willing to part with him to get Kulemin, he could be that big young center we need.
Would why the Leafs do this? If we're trading Kulemin we need an upgrade and I don't think Sutter is an upgrade.

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At this point, no.

Frattin isn't going anywhere. He's our 2nd best RW behind Kessel at this point, and trading him would be foolish. Bernier is going UFA at the end of the season anyway, so it's not like we won't have an opportunity to offer him a contract.

I'm all for trading Macarthur, and possibly packaging him with one of our depth D for either a better pick or prospect, or either speed or size in the top-9 (Clowe/Raymond).

Perry is a pipe dream - he's not hitting the market because Anaheim is going to lock him up.

It would have been nice to pull the trigger on Nash, but we'd all be freaking out if he had 9 pts in 11 games while Kadri and Gardiner thrived playing top-6 minutes in CLB. Not to mention we'd have no 1st this year. So yah, it would be nice to have seen BB jump on a move for Nash or Kovy, but I'm still not convinced those moves were the right thing to do at the moment.

Besides, with Frattin emerging as a legit scoring threat with Kadri it forces more teams to respect that line, opening more ice and more opportunity for Kessel.
Frattin has definitely emerged this season but lets not over-rate him. I still see him as a third line forward or at best the # 4 winger who has a very heavy shot and drives well to the net but has tunnel vision at times. He has a 40% shooting percentage that is unsustainable.

I'd trade him for Bernier simply because goalies have a far greater impact on the game then wingers. Reimer playing well has made the entire team better. But if Reimer faulters which he's likely to at some stretch I don't have confidence in Scrivens. Bernier is also an RFA with little negotiating power so he won't be getting a big contract.

As well as Frattin has played replacing him in the off-season with a player like Horton, Morrow, Clowe or even Higgins would negate his role. Or we could always hope that the dream of Perry becomes reality.

CMac needs to be traded regardless of the Frattin situation. He is a pending UFA. The Leafs aren't at the point where they can loss players for nothing to UFA status. He is stuck behind Kessel, Lupul and JVR for scoring opportunities and he doesn't do enough besides being an offensive winger who plays best in a transition game to have value to us. He was simply a good player on a bad team now it's time to move on from him.

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02-11-2013, 01:02 PM
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No.

Mike Richards reminds me of Mike Peca. Not a bad thing necessarily... but a slightly undersized center, who excels two-way but doesn't have a top notch offensive game to justify almost $6M for the next 8 seasons.

I think Richards is a bit better offensively than Peca for sure (Peca had two years ago 60 points also) , but I DO NOT see Richards as a #1 center any longer. He's a #2 and his career path looks like he will be a #3 in the not to distant future. His offensive game is down the toilet (though that could be in part because LA sucks offensively).
Let Naz graduate to be our Number 1 and Richards at 2C is decent.

It leaves a lot to the imagination.

Even if Getzlaf became available. We could run what we have now, but with Getz on the 1st, Richards and Kadri with 2(a)/2(b)

A strong 3 line team can win.

Lupul-Getzlaf-Perry
JvR-Richards-Kessel
Kulemin-Kadri-Frattin

That is ideal. And would contend for decades. dreamin'

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Would why the Leafs do this? If we're trading Kulemin we need an upgrade and I don't think Sutter is an upgrade.
I agree and Kulemin is one of my favorite players but you have to give something, to get something and both both Kulemin and Sutters stats, are pretty close, steckel is just a throw in and they may give us a 5th rd choice as well.

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Would why the Leafs do this? If we're trading Kulemin we need an upgrade and I don't think Sutter is an upgrade.
I would definitely take Sutter over Kulemin but I don't know where he'd play. He's a great checking C but you'd have to get rid of either Bozak, Grabo, or Kadri. The only C we need is a #1.

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With Brown and Gunnarsson ready to return soon.

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050
Leafs are currently one under 23-man limit. Could have difficult decision when both players are ready to return.

Kulemin and Steckel to Pittsburgh for Brandon Sutter

Kulemin as a winger for Malkin and Steckel to center their 3rd line, it also leaves a spot open for Lupul when he's ready to return.

Currently Sutter is their 3rd line center behind Crosby and Malkin and they may be willing to part with him to get Kulemin, he could be that big young center we need.
Steckel is playing less then 7 minutes a night every other game.

Since they changed the faceoff rules he isn't very good on draws. Bozak has also emerged as very good on draws.

Steckel is slow, doesn't fight, can't score, hasn't been very good on faceoffs. I don't see what roles he has on this team.

Leafs should try to get a late round pick for him. If nobody wants to trade for him just waive him.

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Frattin has definitely emerged this season but lets not over-rate him. I still see him as a third line forward or at best the # 4 winger who has a very heavy shot and drives well to the net but has tunnel vision at times. He has a 40% shooting percentage that is unsustainable.

I'd trade him for Bernier simply because goalies have a far greater impact on the game then wingers. Reimer playing well has made the entire team better. But if Reimer faulters which he's likely to at some stretch I don't have confidence in Scrivens. Bernier is also an RFA with little negotiating power so he won't be getting a big contract.

As well as Frattin has played replacing him in the off-season with a player like Horton, Morrow, Clowe or even Higgins would negate his role. Or we could always hope that the dream of Perry becomes reality.

CMac needs to be traded regardless of the Frattin situation. He is a pending UFA. The Leafs aren't at the point where they can loss players for nothing to UFA status. He is stuck behind Kessel, Lupul and JVR for scoring opportunities and he doesn't do enough besides being an offensive winger who plays best in a transition game to have value to us. He was simply a good player on a bad team now it's time to move on from him.

I like Bernier but I'm just as content to ride Reimer this season and let the pieces fall where they may. It's win-win, provided we don't get itchy trigger fingers and start giving up pieces of our future. If Reimer struggles he will have made the case for Bernier himself, and we get a better draft pick. If Reimer succeeds then we have our #1 and likely make the playoffs.

I think it's a dangerous game to count on replacing lost talent through the UFA pool. For starters, the cost can be prohibitively expensive, as we've seen with Parise/Suter and Richards lately. You're always overpaying in a bidding war for top-end talent like that. It behooves us to keep Frattin and continue developing him in our system on a reasonable contract. Frattin makes 900k for the next season and a half, and we're talking long-term, big contract money to land Horton, Morrow or Clowe. Counting on UFA signings is a dangerous game. I'd much rather sign first, and then explore ridding ourselves of the excess talent we have. Maybe that's what you meant, and in that case I'm fine with it. I don't like to get ahead of myself though, so for now I'll just say IMO we don't move Frattin this season.

I agree on the cMac issue, but really if we lost him to nothing it wouldn't exactly kill our prospect depth. Either way he has no future here.

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What to do with David Steckel

I know what you're thinking, David who? I actually completely forgot that this guy is on our team anymore until I looked at the team roster. Anyways, the leafs only have one roster spot remaining and with Brown set to come back soon and Gunnarsson being back in the near future, what's going to give? Someone has to be traded/waived/sent down with the emergence of Kadri and Frattin. On the Kadri topic he has proved that he is a capable NHL centreman and coupling in with McClement's recent success as our fourth line/pk centre it seems as if Steckel has become redundant. He's slow, doesn't put up points and was frankly slotted into our fourth line centre role yet couldn't keep it against the likes of McClement and Kadri. So again I ask, what do we do with David Steckel? I'm sure we could get a 5th or 6th for him since he can still win draws.

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Keep him for now. He's a good face-off guy.... and injuries are bound to happen.

That and the fact that we only have 4 centers.

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I posted this in the other thread:

David Steckel
--> Jay McClement has stepped into the roster and completely replaced Steckel. Moreover, Tyler Bozak's faceoff wizardry has made Steckel completely expandable.
--> We gave up a 4th round pick for him in 2011 when we acquired him, I'd imagine we'd be able to get the same in return.

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Keep him, a 5th or 6th isn't worth it.

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Keep him for now. He's a good face-off guy.... and injuries are bound to happen.

That and the fact that we only have 4 centers.
David Steckel is a bottom line center -- not a hard position to fill.

Tyler Bozak
Mikhail Grabovski
Nazem Kadri
Jay McClement
Leo Komarov

Have all taken more faceoffs then Steckel this season (with more success at that!)

Also factor in that we have Tim Connolly and Joe Colborne in the AHL, who could fill in as one of the four centers in case of injury.

Given his UFA status this offseason I think we unload him before the deadline for a late pick to a team in need of a faceoff specialist.

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Leave Steckel on the team. He's the perfect 13th/14th forward who can step in and fill a gap in case of injury. He'll be great in the playoffs if someone goes down. Big, can win face offs etc. Slow as balls but its alright cause he's simply a depth guy.

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David Steckel is a bottom line center -- not a hard position to fill.

Tyler Bozak
Mikhail Grabovski
Nazem Kadri
Jay McClement
Leo Komarov

Have all taken more faceoffs then Steckel this season (with more success at that!)

Also factor in that we have Tim Connolly and Joe Colborne in the AHL, who could fill in as one of the four centers in case of injury.

Given his UFA status this offseason I think we unload him before the deadline for a late pick to a team in need of a faceoff specialist.
Right - I forgot Komarov played a little center.

I don't think they have any intention of calling up TC, and Colborne... well I'm not high on him and don't think he can contribute here.

I just think it's too early to trade him. Maybe at the deadline if a playoff team is looking for C depth/face-off specialist.

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wait until trade deadline
Face off guys have good value for playoff teams

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