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02-11-2013, 10:54 AM
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This Mr. Ward is definitely somewhere over the rainbow. I swear for more than a minute each time, Bourque and Peverley are out there. From the Ghost Line! Together!

What gives, man, what gives?!

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There has been no PP since Savard and Kessel left...this is not coaching this is personnel related. You need PP specialists on your team. We don't have any. The big loss was Savard. He was the creativity.
One of the top scoring teams in the league can't get it done on the PP. How is that a personnel problem? Seguin, Marchand and Krejci are all creative. Lucic and Horton have great shots. Chara has a huge bomb from the point. With these guys the PP shouldn't be that bad.

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It's coaching, plain and simple. They have the horses to be at least in the top half of the league in PP.

These players were chosen and put together because of their ability to play within this system, it's why they are still here and why certain players get traded. They play the system and they play it well, almost business like. For that reason I believe this is a coaching problem with the PP. They need a new approach to the PP, it's as simple as that. Losing Savard was a fine excuse the year he went down, but that almost 3 years ago now. It's unacceptable.

You have a 5 on 3, call a timeout to get everyone on the same page and can't even generate a decent scoring chance? They had 1:41 and didn't do dick.

Same old story running for 3 years. It has to end.
The powerplay is unacceptably bad. Admittedly.

The solution is NOT a new coaching staff, however. Our coaches all-in-all have been outstanding.

"A new approach" is a lovely phrase to use... But I have yet to see a suggestion for that approach that is any different than anything else this team has ever tried and failed at.

That's why I suggest a new body. Because that's the only real change that can be made without doing something too drastic that could end up hurting more than helping.

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The powerplay is unacceptably bad. Admittedly.

The solution is NOT a new coaching staff, however. Our coaches all-in-all have been outstanding.

"A new approach" is a lovely phrase to use... But I have yet to see a suggestion for that approach that is any different than anything else this team has ever tried and failed at.


That's why I suggest a new body. Because that's the only real change that can be made without doing something too drastic that could end up hurting more than helping.
Cycle down low and along the boards...pass to the point, pass to the other point, shoot.

That's all they do. Ever.

No presence at all from the dots in, other then Lucic, who quite frankly is not that good in front of the net other then being a big body.

How about 5 forwards on the ice at once? Claude too afraid of allowing a breakaway?

How about putting our best playmakers out there all at once?

Hamilton and Seguin on the points with DK, Bergeron and Marchand up front?

How about Chara and Boychuk on the points, blasting into a screen set up by Lucic AND Horton in front, with Peverley up high?

How about some urgency and quick puck movement? How about keeping Seguin in CONSTANT motion like TB does with Stamkos?

How about watching film of St. Louis, Tampa and Pittsburgh, who I see on CI and NBCSN all the time? They make it look easy with their puck movement. They SKATE.

For a team and staff that are really great at a lot of things, the PP is embarrassing and they all need work harder at it. This Bruins team still relies far too much on their goalies.

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There has been no PP since Savard and Kessel left...this is not coaching this is personnel related. You need PP specialists on your team. We don't have any. The big loss was Savard. He was the creativity.
David Krejci and Tyler Seguin aren't "creative"?

Further, there are now about a dozen teams with much higher power play percentages and forwards that don't come close to the talent and "creativity" of guys like Seguin and Krejci. Explain Calgary, St. Louis, Phoenix, Winnipeg, Montreal, etc.

This has little or nothing to do with personnel. And if personnel is an issue, it's on the back end, not up front. Either way, they need a new PP coach. They've needed one for years.

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#Bruins practicing PP. Ergo, players using bad language.

Mike Loftus ‏@MLoftus_Ledger
#Bruins practicing PP; W/Seguin missing; Krejci moves up between Lucic-Horton; Seidenberg replaces Krejci at point, w/Hamilton.

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#Bruins other PP is Marchand-Bergeron-Peverley up front, Chara-Bourque at points.

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worst PP, best PK, one of the leaders in 5 on 5. EGGGSELLENT!

All is well in the world of Pie.

This obsession with having a sexy PP is bordering on fanatical. Guys, how many 0fers on the PP (not 2nite obviously) combined with W's will it take before folks realize a good PP not essential to winning hockey, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs, which is what it's all about.

I'm going to pound these mantras the rest of the season until folks finally "get" it....

PP for show, PK for dough.

A great PP gets you the presidents trophy, a great PK gets you the cup.

It's nice to have a good PP, it is essential to have a good PK.

PP is icing, PK is the cake.

Oh, and of course...DO NOT BOO OUR PP!
<Cough> Last years playoffs.

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Where are you getting those stats?

From NHL.com:

30. Colorado 9.1%
29. NYR 10.0%
28. Boston 10.3%
27. LA 10.9%

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...Name=powerPlay

Interestingly, the Kings won the Cup last spring with a 12.8% PP rate.

Also interestingly, the Bruins are off to their best start in the history of the franchise.

Stats are odd things.

As for the PP, IMHO it's 100% between their ears. They're good players; they have good coaches; they're getting chances; they're snakebitten big time. Hopefully a couple of more goals like Bergeron's and they'll forget the pressure.
Those stats were accurate when I posted them. Check the time Art. Bergeron scored DOWN LOW to jump them to that impressive 10%.

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Lot of the blame falls on Bergeron who is a bonafide star NHLer but is very (VERY) poor on the powerplay. (He's immune to criticism on here though.) I guess it will save us from having to give him 8 mil per next deal since he is so good otherwise. Scored tonight. So KEEP IT UP PATRICE!

Seguin is our only winger who is a PP specialist and he's been dissapointing so far this year, but you need to keep him on it.

Krejci is fine but hopefully can kick it up a notch man up. HIs game is suited to it. Doesn't seem to get the better wingers.

Z is Z I don't expect movement. Hamilton is young. Rest of our D's strengths don't lie on the man up.

Our personel isn't suited for the PP. That is why Bourque has been on it from day 1.
Agreed on the youth.

For me Seguin on the left wall and Hamilton on the right point is the foundation for the next decade.

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thanks RT. I was stuck on the teams and stats section and didn't look at that path.

So it's a little inconclusive, but with a definite pendulum swing toward the "don't really need a great PP" argument.
There is a wide gap between 'need a great' and 'worst in the NHL'. I'd be happy with somewhere in the middle but this PP is getting worse as the season goes on.

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I agree if it was just this season then i can say relax but geez 3 freaking years is another issue. I also don't need we need to be #1 in PP but at the least in the Middle of the Pack is not asking for alot.
Exactly.

If this was just this season, no big deal but this is years of it being poor and it did cost them last playoffs. If Boston hadn't won the Cup recently the fanbase would have been screaming about that series against Washington.

Free passes expired. Great team. Great PK. Big problem needs outside help (Iginla, Jagr, new PP coach, anything).

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PK ... skates

PP ... stands around

Just a thought if were this bad on PP why do we never send Chara infront of the net ??

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Those stats were accurate when I posted them. Check the time Art. Bergeron scored DOWN LOW to jump them to that impressive 10%.
Which means you're going off a tiny sample size (and yeah, I know, last year etc.).

I know the PP is bad. Not arguing that. But demanding a coach be fired (who coaches other elements of the game as well) or saying they'll make history is hyperbolic.

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If we keep running the same plays, having Iggy, Jagr, or anyone won't do any good. Teams know we run the same crap for the last 3 1/2 years. That's why we can never get set. The puck is always sent the other way. That's a coaching problem. I'm glad people are starting to realize it now after I've been getting yelled at on here about it. Are y'all finally seeing the light?

There is absolutely NO reason to be this bad with the players we have. Hopefully Chia will do something because what is Ward doing to get his paycheck? Cycling down low, shoot from the blueline stuff isn't working. Heck put Chara in front of the goalie. Do something. I'm not asking to be #1. But being last is unacceptable.

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PK ... skates

PP ... stands around

Just a thought if were this bad on PP why do we never send Chara infront of the net ??
They have done that. They've also tried the backdoor sneak, repeatedly. Cripes, these guys have been playing and coaching hockey their entire lives. You think message board posters know things or see things they don't?

It's in their heads. Period.

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If we keep running the same plays, having Iggy, Jagr, or anyone won't do any good. Teams know we run the same crap for the last 3 1/2 years. That's why we can never get set. The puck is always sent the other way. That's a coaching problem. I'm glad people are starting to realize it now after I've been getting yelled at on here about it. Are y'all finally seeing the light?

There is absolutely NO reason to be this bad with the players we have. Hopefully Chia will do something because what is Ward doing to get his paycheck? Cycling down low, shoot from the blueline stuff isn't working. Heck put Chara in front of the goalie. Do something. I'm not asking to be #1. But being last is unacceptable.
Good thing they're not last, then.

And Ward doesn't just coach the PP. NFL teams have coaches in charge of left-handed linebackers and third-down running backs, but it's not that way in the NHL.

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Good thing they're not last, then.

And Ward doesn't just coach the PP. NFL teams have coaches in charge of left-handed linebackers and third-down running backs, but it's not that way in the NHL.
They're close enough to be last. Its unnacceptable. I'm sure we'll manage without Ward doing whatever else it is that he does. You can't be terrible on a pp that you are responsible for, for 3 years. The Savvy excuse worked for a year. The players not being talented excuse worked for another. Its time we accept the responsibility,and replace Ward. I'm sure he can get another job I'm the organization. But c'mon now. The excuse meter is over. And if we replace him and happen still be bad, I'll eat crow. But IMO, I'm willing to bet we'd be a helluva lot better with a new coach and a new approach.

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They have done that. They've also tried the backdoor sneak, repeatedly. Cripes, these guys have been playing and coaching hockey their entire lives. You think message board posters know things or see things they don't?

It's in their heads. Period.
The same message board posters that said to draft Couture and Carlson over Hamill and Colborne...yeah they don't know a thing!

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The same message board posters that said to draft Couture and Carlson over Hamill and Colborne...yeah they don't know a thing!
So you're telling me that the Bruins coaches, who won a Cup and have this team at the top of the conference, know less about running a PP than message board posters. Because the scouts had some misses. That makes sense.

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There was one point last night where the Bergeron line was moving the puck around masterfully (I think it was in the third period) at 5-on-5, creating scoring chances, and I thought to myself, why can we not do this in a 5-on-4 situation? It just boggles the mind that a team can be so dominant at times 5-on-5, move the puck the way they do in the offensive zone, but then the other team takes a player off the ice and they are lost.

Is it personel? Coaching? At this point, I can't even begin to put a finger on it. This seems to be entering the territory of Chuck Knoblauch throwing to first base, that is to say, completely mental. Or maybe they are just being over-coached at this point. At times, it seems like some players are trying to make the play that they were coached to make, rather than just letting instinct take over and playing.

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They have done that. They've also tried the backdoor sneak, repeatedly. Cripes, these guys have been playing and coaching hockey their entire lives. You think message board posters know things or see things they don't?

It's in their heads. Period.
I've seen our PP thanks Chara is basically never infront .... trying something maybe 10 times since Chara's been here is hardly enough specially since our PP has been in the bottom 10 or so

Coached their entire lives but they never get fired

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So you're telling me that the Bruins coaches, who won a Cup and have this team at the top of the conference, know less about running a PP than message board posters. Because the scouts had some misses. That makes sense.
If they are so good at it, why does it suck so bad, for so long? So every coach that has ever won a Cup has never been replaced or fired?

So tell us, how do you fix this three year long problem?

Why exactly do you waste your time reading message boards?


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If they are so good at it, why does it suck so bad, for so long? So every coach that has ever won a Cup has never been replaced or fired?

So tell us, how do you fix this three year long problem?
I don't. I'm a fan and a poster on a message board, not a player or a coach.

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I don't. I'm a fan and a poster on a message board, not a player or a coach.
So a message board is for what then exactly? A celebration of being a fan? The PP flat out sucks...no matter what players are in it (the past three years) and it's not the system? Really?

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Cycle down low and along the boards...pass to the point, pass to the other point, shoot.

That's all they do. Ever.

No presence at all from the dots in, other then Lucic, who quite frankly is not that good in front of the net other then being a big body.

How about 5 forwards on the ice at once? Claude too afraid of allowing a breakaway?

How about putting our best playmakers out there all at once?

Hamilton and Seguin on the points with DK, Bergeron and Marchand up front?

How about Chara and Boychuk on the points, blasting into a screen set up by Lucic AND Horton in front, with Peverley up high?

How about some urgency and quick puck movement? How about keeping Seguin in CONSTANT motion like TB does with Stamkos?

How about watching film of St. Louis, Tampa and Pittsburgh, who I see on CI and NBCSN all the time? They make it look easy with their puck movement. They SKATE.

For a team and staff that are really great at a lot of things, the PP is embarrassing and they all need work harder at it. This Bruins team still relies far too much on their goalies.
19th and 25th ranked powerplays last year over 82 games. That's the thing about powerplays in the NHL, they change wildly in the NHL from year to year as much as any one team stat that I can find. Very few teams are consistent and if they are they're usually consistently great because of the personnel they have.
The Bruins powerplay is simply not good enough but I wouldn't fire a coach who has a very long history with the head coach including a Stanley Cup just because of it. Do we even know what else Ward is really responsible for? A lot of the Bruins powerplay problem is personnel, just don't have it without Savvy. It seems like Krejci should be the type who's excellent on the powerplay but he's looked lost out there his whole career. Chara's got a bomb but he's no Markov type quarterback. I do agree with switching it up, too much of the same old, same old.

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