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Where will the Sedins rank among all-time Swedish players?

View Poll Results: Where will the Sedins finish among Swedish Forwards?
#1/#2 2 0.99%
#2/#3 3 1.49%
Both Top 5 58 28.71%
Both Top 10 116 57.43%
Not Top 10 23 11.39%
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02-11-2013, 12:44 AM
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02-11-2013, 12:55 AM
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At the end of their careers?

For reference:

Nicklas Lidstrom
Mats Sundin
Peter Forsberg
Daniel Alfredsson
Markus Naslund
Tomas Sandstrom
Thomas Steen
Borje Salming
Kent Nilsson
Mats Naslund
Henrik Zetterberg
Henrik Lundqvist

http://www.nhl.com/ice/careerstats.h...dersAllSeasons
It's really hard to make an argument for either Sedin having a better overall career than any player listed here, except maybe Steen.

They lack an international resume, their 1st 3 years in the NHL they were really weak, 4th year okay but not anywhere near even average top 6 players.

Even in their breakout year in 06 when they were 25 they were still 2nd line players on the Canucks.

In 07 they become PPG guys and are top liners on the Canucks but have a horrible playoffs.

08 top line in Vancouver, slightly less than PPG, team doesn't make the playoffs.


In 09 close to PPG guys with a much better 2 round playoff

In 10 they reach their peak, statistically but I wonder if people are putting too much stock into a 3 year run or a 5 year run and forgetting about the other parts of their career.
they have their huge breakthrough, statisically in 10

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02-11-2013, 01:32 AM
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Håkan Loob should be considered too. Did a lot for the national team and is still the only Swedish players with a +50 goal season (it is harder than one might think) add the triple gold club too.


Then there are some players who never went to NHL (guys before Salming) who should not be considered in this poll as North Americans cannot relate to them, but some of those will rank high from a Swedish perspective.

A thread for a similar discussion with some older guys (Tumba, Lill-strimma, Sterner) in it:
Most talented Swede ever to play hockey?


1. Forsberg (love the style or hate hockey)
2. Lidström (most successful Swedish player so far)
3. Sundin (First European NHL captain)
4. Sedin (skill and tremendous ethos)
5. Sedin(skill and tremendous ethos)
6. Salming (Trailblazer for all Europeans)
7. Alfredsson (A good captain with longevity)
8. Lundqvist (Best Swedish goalie, Pelle Lindbergh, RIP)
9. Näslund (Important part for creating the contender Vancouver)
10. Loob (+50 goal in a season, triple gold club)

H.M:

Those who could make top 10:
Lindbergh, Zetterberg, Kent Nilsson, Thomas Steen,

Other triple gold guys:
Mats Näslund, Tomas Jonsson, Fredrik Modin, Mikael Samuelsson, Niklas Kronwall

The heritage: Tumba, “Lill-strimma” Svedberg, Sterner


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Behind only Forsberg, Sundin, and Lidstrom IMO.
Yes I think this is a good assessment.

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Behind Lidstrom, Forsberg, Sundin, and Karlsson.
Now? No I do not think so and I do not think that you think that either. Otherwise we could add in a whole bunch of up and coming Swedish players (e.g.: Landeskog, OEL, Hedman, Lehner) by looking in the crystal ball. Karlsson have done nothing to rank up in even top 20 as it is now.

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02-11-2013, 11:18 AM
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I have them just outside the top 10, so I voted not top 10.
Something like 11/12 or 12/13

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02-11-2013, 11:28 AM
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There might be two different lists:
Which NHL fans think are the greatest Swedes and what Swedes actually think who are the greatest Swedes.

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For those of you putting guys like Loob, Naslund, and even Alfredsson ahead of the Sedin's, you guys just aren't watching them play - I can't understand how anyone would even *consider* a player like Loob better than either Sedin.

Sundin I think has a good argument to be as good or better than the Sedin's. Lidstrom & Forsberg I feel are the two guys who are better but that's pretty much it.

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02-11-2013, 11:48 AM
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Both, top 10. Behind Lidstrom, Salming, Forsberg, Sundin, Zetterberg and Alfredsson.

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I just want to know Steve Bennets opinion

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02-11-2013, 11:57 AM
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So far, behind only Lidstrom and maybe Forsberg. Possibly Lundqvist depending on how the rest of his career goes. I hate the little buggers, but they're effective, moreso than the Sundin's, Alfredsson's, etc.

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02-11-2013, 12:02 PM
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Well if your only counting the NHL

Lidstrom
Forsberg
Sundin
Alfredsson
Henrik Sedin
Lundqvist
Daniel Sedin
Naslund


I think Sven Tumba needs to be accounted for somewhere in the entire scope. Djurgarden legend.

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02-11-2013, 12:02 PM
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I think Top 10 is fair. There's an International component to be considered here (particularly for guys like Sundin and Forsberg). They still have time left in their careers where it is possible that they push into the Top 5, but I think that would need to occur via a combination of NHL and International achievements.

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02-11-2013, 12:03 PM
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Lidstrom, Forsberg, Sundin then the Sedins.

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02-11-2013, 12:07 PM
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Salming is still ahead of the Sedins.

Lidstrom, Forsberg, Salming and Sundin are clearly ahead in my book.

They are in the same league as Zetterberg, Loob, Naslund etc.

Never been a fan of their perimeter play... Good for putting up good numbers, not great overall players.
They don't call him 'The King' for nothing. One of the greatest Swedish players in history.

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You know they aren't conjoined twins, right?

It's not like being a twin sudden makes up for poor skating, passing, shooting, stickhandling, and hockey sense. They are both damn talented players, being a twin doesn't automatically make you a good hockey player.

How good was Kurri without Gretzky?

We aren't comparing 2 players to 1. They both happen to be very similar in talents, so it's safe to assume that if one of better or worse than a given player, the other will be as well. Feel free to analyze them separately if you wish.
I cannot tell you how weak your post is. You make no point whatsoever. Zero.

Yeah, you ARE comparing them 2 to 1. They havent played apart for more than what? 40 games combined in their whole careers. There whole careers are over 95% joint effort.

You CANT compare them separately. Compared to WHAT? They rarely played at any level at all anywhere by themselves. There is no way to compare them to the greats playing individually. 40 games as a body of work to compare them to? There efforts in those 40 games.

Thus the special category.

Lol twins being the same as Kurri and Gretzky . They played their whole careers together too? Grew up together came out of the same womb too?

Didnt know Gretzky and Kurri were Swedish.

I just cant TAKE IT anymore. Im sorry. Im not trying to be rude, but if you are going ot reply to my posts, then actually make some logical points

Do everyone a favor. Stop replying to my posts. It reads like a kid trying to show his big brother how 'tough' he is and his logic is 5 steps behind .

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02-11-2013, 12:12 PM
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Behind lidstrom/forsberg unless they each have a career resurgence (like, each winning hart/art/smythe).

I'd say behind Sundin if they retired today, but it's really close (Sundin won 0 art rosses, 0 harts, but wins on longevity as of now). THey can definitely surpass Sundin though.

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Can't believe people put the Sedin ahead of Salming.

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Can't believe people put the Sedin ahead of Salming.
Whoops, completely forgot about him.

Salming should easily be ahead of Sundin and the Sedins.


Close between him and Forsberg, Lidstrom still clear #1.

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Well if your only counting the NHL

Lidstrom
Forsberg
Sundin
Alfredsson
Henrik Sedin
Lundqvist
Daniel Sedin
Naslund


I think Sven Tumba needs to be accounted for somewhere in the entire scope. Djurgarden legend.
No salming?

I also think maybe a couple younger swedes will have better careers or be regarded as better players. It's still early, but erik karlsson might end up being high on that list.

Edit: It's confusing because the title says "players" but the poll says "forwards".

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They'll both be top 10 for sure, it's kind of hard to say where exactly. They won't catch Lidstrom or Forsberg, possibly not even Zetterberg, Alfredsson and Sundin. Then we have Karlsson who's career is yet to be decided. I'll say top 10 but top 5 is doubtful.

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Zetterberg will certainly be ranked above the Sedins. Always great with the national team and if you look at his NHL resume, it's also quite impressive. Conn Smythe and Stanley cup.

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Lidstrom, Sundin, Zetterberg, Forsberg and Salming are ahead of them at this point.

What hurts the Sedins is their playoff performance is not that great and for the first four years they were third line players.

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02-11-2013, 02:30 PM
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Quote:
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Can't believe people put the Sedin ahead of Salming.
To be fair I have Salming and #6 behind them Sedins at #4&5. I stand by it but it is very close in my book. As someone stated somewhere: "No NHL player has taken more unjustified abuse than Salming", I hope I do not further that.

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Lidstrom, Sundin, Zetterberg, Forsberg and Salming are ahead of them at this point.

What hurts the Sedins is their playoff performance is not that great and for the first four years they were third line players.
It was just a game away, but it amounts to nothing.

Lets hope for this season, it will impact the memory of the Sedins incredible much (if the play that is).

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Lundqvist best goalie post lockout deserves to be ahead of either Sedin imo.

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To be fair I have Salming and #6 behind them Sedins at #4&5. I stand by it but it is very close in my book. As someone stated somewhere: "No NHL player has taken more unjustified abuse than Salming", I hope I do not further that.



It was just a game away, but it amounts to nothing.

Lets hope for this season, it will impact the memory of the Sedins incredible much (if the play that is).
Are you talking about the 2011 SC? If so, the Sedins did absolutely nothing that series.

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02-11-2013, 02:52 PM
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I'm not sure what that means. How do you have individual success while playing for your national team? You mean like winning tournament top player awards?

They did win Olympic Gold with team Sweden.
The Sedins are my favourite Swedish players, but to be honest they had little to nothing to do with the 2006 Olympic Gold, playing 4th line the whole tournamnent.

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