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02-11-2013, 02:41 PM
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He was never underperforming. Have you seen him play at all? Bordeleau carries about the same value as a mid round pick - little. I wasn't tearing you a new one. I get tired of the I will send a fourth line goon that really has little value along with a no valued draft pick and along with a prospect that Pittsburgh really doesn't need (again, we are loaded at D prospects) for a young 21 year old D with an extremely high upside.

How would you feel if I asked you to send Landeskog for Tyler Kennedy and a third round pick? That is basically what you are doing with your idea.
Well I take offense to that. I agree that Bordeleau does not carry much value but we would certainly not trade him for anything less than a 3rd.
I already stated that I made a mistake. I read someone *****ing about him and probably saw that he got healthy scratched.
Hence I believed that he was underperforming. I did not really check on it because you know I did not start the thread. It was just a reaction to a Pens fans wanting Bordeleau.

I already stated that this is a horrible deal for the Pens and I apologized. But I still don't think that the premise was wrong. Under the assumption that Despres did underperform (aka healthy scratch and again I was wrong) I tried to make a sensible deal by providing the immediate help (toughness, grinder) + a good (only slightly less talented) PMD prospect+ .

I never said that even healthy scratched, struggling Despres should be traded straight up for Bordeleau!

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02-11-2013, 02:42 PM
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Lol.

EVERY PLAYER ON THE AVS TEAM IS UNTOUCHABLE. DON'T EVEN TRY IT.

Silly Avs fans.

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02-11-2013, 02:43 PM
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He's not worth what's being thrown around in this thread, but he's also not worth what would be thrown around otherwise (6th/7th rounders, other 4th liners, etc).

To be perfectly honest, he's in a good situation and he's making the best of it. Last year he was a nobody knocking heads around in the AHL. This year he's showing people that he's not just a heavyweight fighter, he can skate well, hits well and even has decent hands for a fighter (darn near created a beautiful breakaway for himself one game... forget against who).

For his role, I'd rather keep him around and see how his season progresses than swap him for someone else.

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02-11-2013, 02:44 PM
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Or. How is he worth that? Because I want a fourth line fighter that can respectably play hockey. Where the hell else am I supposed to find that? If I give it, I want something I can use, not some 20% chance of finding a bottom pairing defenseman three to five years from now.
He isn't worth a serviceable third line forward like Kennedy. He isn't worth one of our best D prospects. Maybe Alex Grant, who is basically ranked eight among out D prospects. I'm not giving up any value for a guy like this, how has shown nothing beyond fighting in the ECHL, AHL or NHL.

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02-11-2013, 02:45 PM
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Lol.

EVERY PLAYER ON THE AVS TEAM IS UNTOUCHABLE. DON'T EVEN TRY IT.

Silly Avs fans.
On second thought, you're right. We have tons of NHL forward depth. We should totally trade it for picks and prospects that have the slimmest chance of making the NHL.

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02-11-2013, 02:46 PM
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Please don't put this guy in Neil's category. Neil has ability to pump in 12-14 goals per and fight. This guy doesn't have that ability. Hell, he couldn't score in the ECHL or AHL. He was traded three or four times in a year in the AHL, so ...

This guy at best if worth what we got for Ben Lovejoy and that might be overpayment.

It takes time for grinders/hybrid enforcers like Chris Neil to develop. Chris Neil didn't produce too many points when he was in the AHL/ECHL. I'm not saying Patrick Bordeleau is capable of that, however I do think he could produce 15-20 points a season.

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02-11-2013, 02:46 PM
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LOL I didn't even know Bordeleau was still playing. Thought he was a bust.

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He isn't worth a serviceable third line forward like Kennedy. He isn't worth one of our best D prospects. Maybe Alex Grant, who is basically ranked eight among out D prospects. I'm not giving up any value for a guy like this, how has shown nothing beyond fighting in the ECHL, AHL or NHL.
That's fine. I don't blame you, but I also don't care to just give you what you want at "market value" and then turn around and try to find what I already had.

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02-11-2013, 02:48 PM
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He is a fourth line guy that does nothing else but fight. How is he worth Kennedy and one of our D prospects? You are right, he certainly isn't worth it.
Ignorance is bliss.

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He isn't worth a serviceable third line forward like Kennedy. He isn't worth one of our best D prospects. Maybe Alex Grant, who is basically ranked eight among out D prospects. I'm not giving up any value for a guy like this, how has shown nothing beyond fighting in the ECHL, AHL or NHL.
Why on earth would Avs want Alex Grant over a guy that's dressed for every game this year?

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Why on earth would Avs want Alex Grant over a guy that's dressed for every game this year?
Because prospects who probably won't make the NHL >>>>>>> serviceable NHL 4th liners.

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02-11-2013, 02:56 PM
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Lol.

EVERY PLAYER ON THE AVS TEAM IS UNTOUCHABLE. DON'T EVEN TRY IT.

Silly Avs fans.
This.

I like what he's brought to the roster but come on, asking for Despres?

That said between injuries/O'reilly situation/lack of forward prospect depth we don't have a lot of options so we'd need a 4th line regular back. In the summer a guy like him is probably worth a 5th/6th rounder to a good team that wants to add some toughness.

It's not that his value is remotely high, it's just that there's not much incentive for us to trade him considering that we wouldn't get anything better back.

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02-11-2013, 03:00 PM
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I heavily disagree.
Don't get me wrong. Bordeleau is great but the Avs are not really in a position to declare their 4th line grinder untradeable.

It would cost you though (Overpayment required).
I would want Despres (is he still looking like crap?) or one of your other top dman prospects. We would obviously add one of our prospects or picks to balance the deal.
Uh, not sure if serious?

Also: when did Despres ever look like crap?

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Bordeleau plays five minutes a game. He's an enforcer that does nothing else particularly well. If the Pens offered a 7th you take that and run. He's a dime a dozen fourth line scrub.

Avs fans have totally lost their minds if they think he's worth anything more than a later round pick. He's totally replaceable. Is all the losing messing with all Avs fan's heads?

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I would trade him simply to get him away from Sgarbossa's line.
I hate seeing the Pirate on a line with guys like Olver or Bordeleau.
Also he could easily be replaced by Brad Malone for example. Except for the fighting but McLeod could do that.

5th round pick would be fine for me.

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I would trade him simply to get him away from Sgarbossa's line.
I hate seeing the Pirate on a line with guys like Olver or Bordeleau.

5th round pick would be fine for me.
how about the 2014 5th round pick the Penguins got for Lovejoy?

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how about the 2014 5th round pick the Penguins got for Lovejoy?
Let's call Sherman and Shero !
Of course I'd rather have a 2013 pick but that would do it as well.

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02-11-2013, 03:08 PM
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I would trade him simply to get him away from Sgarbossa's line.
I hate seeing the Pirate on a line with guys like Olver or Bordeleau.
Also he could easily be replaced by Brad Malone for example. Except for the fighting but McLeod could do that.

5th round pick would be fine for me.
How about firing Sacco? I mean Palushaj(sp?) is playing top line with Stastny and Jones while Sgarbossa is on the 4th line with Olver and Bordeleau.

I don't think that getting rid of Bordi is the right solution here...

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02-11-2013, 03:11 PM
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How about firing Sacco? I mean Palushaj(sp?) is playing top line with Stastny and Jones while Sgarbossa is on the 4th line with Olver and Bordeleau.

I don't think that getting rid of Bordi is the right solution here...
I'd love to see Sacco fired.
Bordeleau isn't a problem but he's not an important part of our team, either.
Malone, as I mentioned before, would be a much better fit on our fourth line.

Also, trading Bordeleau unfortunately seems to be much more realistic than getting rid of Sacco at this point.

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I'd love to see Sacco fired.
Bordeleau isn't a problem but he's not an important part of our team, either.
Malone, as I mentioned before, would be a much better fit on our fourth line.

Also, trading Bordeleau unfortunately seems to be much more realistic than getting rid of Sacco at this point.
If Malone replaces anyone on that line it will be Olver, since he's a center and he should be used as one not as a winger.

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On second thought, you're right. We have tons of NHL forward depth. We should totally trade it for picks and prospects that have the slimmest chance of making the NHL.
Did you find some underlying message in my post or something?

I was merely commenting on how every single trade thread involving the Avalanche, it takes overpayment to pry anyone off the team.

I am not sure what you thought that meant.

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If Malone replaces anyone on that line it will be Olver, since he's a center and he should be used as one not as a winger.
Yeah, and I'd put Olver on the wing or take him away from the 4th line as well as Sgarbossa.
Play them on a better line or send them back to the AHL.

Malone was only an example, though, to show that Bordeleau isn't that important of a piece as some guys here make him.
It wouldn't hurt our line-up at all if he was traded.

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Bordeleau for Weber+a pick ?

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Bordeleau for Weber+a pick ?
Easy yes from the Avs. We will give you Shane O'Brien as well.

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Bordeleau for Weber+a pick ?
Go get Matt Kassian, we'll take Patrick Bordeleau.

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