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Where will the Sedins rank among all-time Swedish players?

View Poll Results: Where will the Sedins finish among Swedish Forwards?
#1/#2 2 0.99%
#2/#3 3 1.49%
Both Top 5 58 28.71%
Both Top 10 116 57.43%
Not Top 10 23 11.39%
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02-11-2013, 04:01 PM
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Are you talking about the 2011 SC? If so, the Sedins did absolutely nothing that series.
Yes I did and it works both ways (as with losing game seven amounts to nothing): if Vancouver would have won the cup then, then the Sedins would have the hardware and only marginal voices would state that they did "nothing", how true that might be.

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02-11-2013, 04:18 PM
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Yes I did and it works both ways (as with losing game seven amounts to nothing): if Vancouver would have won the cup then, then the Sedins would have the hardware and only marginal voices would state that they did "nothing", how true that might be.
I don't value cups. Chris Dingman has three cups. However, I do value play in the playoffs. Sedins have not elevated their play in the playoffs. They have been no shows in series and they haven't really dominated a series. If the Canucks won in 2011 I would be saying the same thing. If Doug Gilmour didn't win a cup he still would be known as a great playoff performer.

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02-11-2013, 04:19 PM
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Lundqvist best goalie post lockout deserves to be ahead of either Sedin imo.
I am curious to know your reasons why you have Lundqvist ahead of the Sedins.

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02-11-2013, 04:33 PM
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I don't value cups. Chris Dingman has three cups. However, I do value play in the playoffs. Sedins have not elevated their play in the playoffs. They have been no shows in series and they haven't really dominated a series. If the Canucks won in 2011 I would be saying the same thing. If Doug Gilmour didn't win a cup he still would be known as a great playoff performer.
Well it is personal. But don't you agree that if Vancouver had won a cup then it would have affected the verdict of the Sedins in a poll like this one?

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02-11-2013, 04:48 PM
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Well it is personal. But don't you agree that if Vancouver had won a cup then it would have affected the verdict of the Sedins in a poll like this one?
For sure it would. That's why one of the reasons Henri Richard gets rated a lot higher by some people than he should. He won eleven cupzz!!!!!

It is dumb because the Stanley Cup is a team award.

The only series I can think of where the Sedins were the best players, was the San Jose series in 2011.

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02-11-2013, 05:02 PM
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Behind Lidstrom, Forsberg, Sundin, and Karlsson.
I'm as big of a Sens fan and a Karlsson fan as there is, but this may be a little premature, don't you think?

Give it 12 years and he could be there, but at age 22 with one elite season under his belt, there is no way you can put him among the top 4 swedes that ever lived.

As for the question, Lidstrom and Forsberg were better. They are around the level of Sundin and Alfredsson.

Edit: forgot Salming, he's also ahead of them.


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02-11-2013, 05:32 PM
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4/5. Lidstrom/Forsberg/Salming ahead.

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I don't value cups. Chris Dingman has three cups. However, I do value play in the playoffs. Sedins have not elevated their play in the playoffs. They have been no shows in series and they haven't really dominated a series. If the Canucks won in 2011 I would be saying the same thing. If Doug Gilmour didn't win a cup he still would be known as a great playoff performer.
Tell that to San Jose.

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02-11-2013, 06:39 PM
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Voted both top 10, arguments can be made for top 5

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For sure it would. That's why one of the reasons Henri Richard gets rated a lot higher by some people than he should. He won eleven cupzz!!!!!

It is dumb because the Stanley Cup is a team award.

The only series I can think of where the Sedins were the best players, was the San Jose series in 2011.
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Tell that to San Jose.
Only series.

They were complete duds against Boston.

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Only series.

They were complete duds against Boston.
You said they haven't really dominated a series.

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You said they haven't really dominated a series.
And I corrected myself later on.

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Forsberg, lidström, salming, tumba, kenta, loob clearly ahed.
Then theres sundin who toyed with soviet stars as a teenager, while the sedins couldnt do **** against even team germany lol. in their prime.

Zetterberg, lundqvist, karlsson will also be ahed when it's all said and done imo.
Theres also probably others that dont get so much attention who were better like sandström, steen.

So no, they are not top5

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02-11-2013, 08:39 PM
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And I corrected myself later on.
It still shows the faulty thinking that applies to the Sedins, and can be extended towards Luongo on the Canucks as well. "They haven't really dominated a series... except for the series where they did dominate but they still weren't dominant against team X". You throw the history of the player out and cherry pick a specific game/series, usually the most recent, to base your opinion on.

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It still shows the faulty thinking that applies to the Sedins, and can be extended towards Luongo on the Canucks as well. "They haven't really dominated a series... except for the series where they did dominate but they still weren't dominant against team X". You throw the history of the player out and cherry pick a specific game/series, usually the most recent, to base your opinion on.
Again, it isn't rocket science. I forgot about the Shark series and then later on I corrected myself. My point still stands, their playoff performace has not been great.


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Theres also probably others that dont get so much attention who were better like sandström, steen.
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Voted top ten figure to be in that 6 and 7 spot. I feel they need to find another gear and or bring cup to vancouver to truly be top 5.

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You know they aren't conjoined twins, right?

It's not like being a twin sudden makes up for poor skating, passing, shooting, stickhandling, and hockey sense. They are both damn talented players, being a twin doesn't automatically make you a good hockey player.

How good was Kurri without Gretzky?

We aren't comparing 2 players to 1. They both happen to be very similar in talents, so it's safe to assume that if one of better or worse than a given player, the other will be as well. Feel free to analyze them separately if you wish.
Kurri was still elite without Gretzky

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Behind Lidstrom, Forsberg, Sundin, and Karlsson.
I cant tell if you are serious?

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Behind Lidstrom, Forsberg, Sundin, and Karlsson.
Did you forget the

I can't tell if you're serious??

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Kurri was still elite without Gretzky
that was the point

The Sedins are elite apart, just better together, people act like they are only average when apart. Going point per game when one is injured is pretty elite to me.

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Call me crazy, but I am more curious/value the Swedish poster opinions on this more than most.

My opinion, for sure top 10... but I value post season/championships so I would have Forsberg (#2), Zetterberg (#4) ahead... as well as Salming(#3) (trailblazers are huge). Lidstrom is arguably #1 Swedish player so there is 4 there... so I went top 10.

I put Sedins (5,6) ahead of Sundin (7) as well as Alfredsson(8) due to the individual trophies Sedins have won.

Thinking though Lundqvist (9) with another Vezina + Cup could easily slide into top 5 with his career.

Also believe Karlsson will make things interesting... may not crack top 5, but him and Lundqvist will make it interesting.

My opinion though is of North American variety and I am sure a Swede would see it differently, I am looking at more NHL impact.

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I'm not sure what that means. How do you have individual success while playing for your national team? You mean like winning tournament top player awards?

They did win Olympic Gold with team Sweden.
On the back of Alfie

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On the back of Alfie
the team won in spite of ....

Oh never mind, thought I was in the Luongo thread. My apologies

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Behind:
Lidstrom, Salming
Forsberg, Sundin

Possibly behind:
Zetterberg, Alfredsson
Lundqvist

Top 10 is probably fair.

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