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02-05-2013, 01:29 AM
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The way I see it we have a realistic shot at the 5/6 pick overall this year.

Columbus, Calgary, Florida and Colarado are all going to finish lower than us for sure. We just aren't bad enough and will grab the odd win and even two in a row at times. 5 or 6 is still a great pick though.

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02-05-2013, 01:37 AM
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hope that odd win is tomorrow !

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02-05-2013, 08:40 AM
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Toews Keith kane heck maybe even Seabrook niemi and sharp could immediately become the best player on this team.

Quick doughty and kopitar likewise...

Crosby MAF malkin maybe letang...

Chara Thomas savard bergeron...

And so on and so forth. The leafs need ELITE talent. The supporting pieces aren't so important. Its those 2/3 building blocks that you need to worry most about. Reilly could be that...kadri may be that, maybe phaneuf... but imo guys like grabbo and kessel are great supplementary pieces, they cannot serve as building blocks.

I don't want to say get rid of them for nothing, but imo there's an order to things. Get the elite guys FIRST. Spend whatever it takes. Then take what's left to give them the best supporting cast you can.

Our 5 big ticket players

Dion 6.5
Kessel 5.4
Grabo 5.5
Komi 4.5
Connolly 4.75


Ummm, does that not say it all right there?

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02-05-2013, 08:44 AM
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this is the most embarrassing thread ive ever seen for the record. You're not a fan if you like losing.
Then get out and stay out of the thread, duuuuhhhhhhhhhh

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Our 5 big ticket players

Dion 6.5
Kessel 5.4
Grabo 5.5
Komi 4.5
Connolly 4.75


Ummm, does that not say it all right there?
Yep you ain't winnin' with that core.

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02-05-2013, 09:03 AM
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Kessel's weakness is he gets too easily frustrated, I can't imagine he is having much fun not producing and now the losing, it's only a matter of time before he becomes unhappy. He's already smashing sticks and those were in games we won.
Hey Inter, you should try to find the footage of PK in the WJs against Canada way back in the day.

I have always had PK labeled a "suck" and i don't mean skill.

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02-05-2013, 09:12 AM
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Hey Inter, you should try to find the footage of PK in the WJs against Canada way back in the day.

I have always had PK labeled a "suck" and i don't mean skill.
He was extremely cocky, sometimes it is not such a bad thing to have swagger when you enter the rink, better that than emotionless and timid.

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02-05-2013, 09:21 AM
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Our 5 big ticket players

Dion 6.5
Kessel 5.4
Grabo 5.5
Komi 4.5
Connolly 4.75


Ummm, does that not say it all right there?
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Yep you ain't winnin' with that core.
And This. Terrible, passionless, dumb as a brick core (Connolly isn't part of the core, I'd put Lupul there instead, whose contract I hate and find will be very inhibiting)

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02-05-2013, 09:23 AM
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The way I see it we have a realistic shot at the 5/6 pick overall this year.

Columbus, Calgary, Florida and Colarado are all going to finish lower than us for sure. We just aren't bad enough and will grab the odd win and even two in a row at times. 5 or 6 is still a great pick though.
EHHHHH, best not put Flo on that list.

Versteeg, only 3 gp s.

Weiss 4 gp thats 2/3 rds of their top line.

Jovo 5 gp

Gudbran 0 gp half their top 4 D


Watch out for Col when 2/3 rds of their top line returns, ROR/Landeskog.

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Watch out for Col when 2/3 rds of their top line returns, ROR/Landeskog.
Colorados in the other Conference and there are no inter-conference games.

The final rankings won't necessarily be the worst teams, it's going to be a mix of the worst teams FROM each conference. Regardless of if Calgary, Colorado, etc are actually better teams than Toronto, they could easily finish below just because they're in a much tougher conference and SOMEBODY has to lose each game.

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02-05-2013, 09:26 AM
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Don't you find that people who like to tank also complain that we are a bad team, despite the fact that's the point of tanking, to suck to get a better pick? They, for some reason, want to win and get a high draft pick, or at least it seems like that.

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02-05-2013, 09:29 AM
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Going forward this is what I see:

Lupul- ___________ - Kessel
Frattin- Kadri- JVR
Kulemin-Grabovski-Komarov
Brown- McClement- ________

_________-__________
Gardiner - ___________
Liles- Gunnarson

Reimer
__________

As far as I'm concerned, anybody not on that list, should be moved for picks/prospects, or young NHLers that fit Carlyle's system.

I would be okay moving forward without Grabo and Liles as well... its more of a contractual issue than anything with them.

I'd move Bozak and MacArthur as fast as you can... while the season is young and they're not just "rentals". Franson should be able to get you something solid as well.

Dion should be the big ticket item. You should be able to get a high first rounder or top prospect in exchange for his services for this year and next.

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02-05-2013, 09:32 AM
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EHHHHH, best not put Flo on that list.

Versteeg, only 3 gp s.

Weiss 4 gp thats 2/3 rds of their top line.

Jovo 5 gp

Gudbran 0 gp half their top 4 D


Watch out for Col when 2/3 rds of their top line returns, ROR/Landeskog.
The problem is we get better with Lupol back, our #1 line will start scoring again, I think it will be typical leafs season. Lose, but not lose enough to get a top 5 pick.

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ONLY players I don't want traded: Gardiner, Rielly, Kadri, Frattin, Komarov

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The problem is we get better with Lupol back, our #1 line will start scoring again, I think it will be typical leafs season. Lose, but not lose enough to get a top 5 pick.
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We've had a top 5 pick two of the last three seasons... three of the last five. Granted we didn't actually get to use one of those top 5 picks... But the Leafs have definitely lost enough for multiple top 5 picks recently.

This year though? I think we'll be ~6-8, so I do agree with that.

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02-05-2013, 09:38 AM
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ONLY players I don't want traded: Gardiner, Rielly, Kadri, Frattin, Komarov
Frattin is beaut! I agree with you though, very short list of players I wouldn't trade. If we can't bring in support for Phaneuf and Kessel then I say blow it to smithereens! Each guy has 1 year left on his contract after that so it may be a good time to cut our losses. And who knows, we may end up with Perry come the off-season

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Colorados in the other Conference and there are no inter-conference games.

The final rankings won't necessarily be the worst teams, it's going to be a mix of the worst teams FROM each conference. Regardless of if Calgary, Colorado, etc are actually better teams than Toronto, they could easily finish below just because they're in a much tougher conference and SOMEBODY has to lose each game.
EHH, Flo is in ours.

Just pointing out a couple things that could be holding those 2 teams back a little.

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02-05-2013, 04:45 PM
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Don't you find that people who like to tank also complain that we are a bad team, despite the fact that's the point of tanking, to suck to get a better pick? They, for some reason, want to win and get a high draft pick, or at least it seems like that.
EHHH no, actually i tend to see the complete opposite.

You will see tankers state that this is a bad team in rebuttal to someone who thinks differently.

NOW! if your talking about complaints about a player or say coach/GM well ya, sure.

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02-05-2013, 04:49 PM
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We can afford to do a mini-tank (2 years max) unlike the Oilers (who need a massive tank). I think Nonis is thinking along those lines as well. Get a top liner caliber D and C, and we are set for the forseeable future given our prospect and NHL depth right now.

I would just sell off Mac/Liles/Franson/Bozak and run with our AHL D and forwards we have now. Giving Kostka #2 D minutes and playing Fraser and Holzer should secure the tank. We can give Scrivens 50% of the starts if things get out of hand.

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The problem is we get better with Lupol back, our #1 line will start scoring again, I think it will be typical leafs season. Lose, but not lose enough to get a top 5 pick.
It's gonna be awhile before you see Lups/Kessel click.

My gut tells me 8 weeks from injury and at least another week maybe 2 to get him in game shape, league speed.

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ONLY players I don't want traded: Gardiner, Rielly, Kadri, Frattin, Komarov
I'd include JVR.

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I'd include JVR.
Yea JVR also, might even throw Reimer in there. I'm as skeptical as anyone about him and I know it's a few a games but I think with development he could succeed. Tonight's loss should go a long way in the tanks benefit. If we can end the season 18-30 we should get a good chance at that coveted pick.

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Though it's great we have a winning record at the moment, we are still a draft/develop/promote team. IMO

Wanted to get this in while the wagon is tilted, and not after a loss.

I'm a realist and I am objective when it comes to knowing what type of players you need to compete for a Cup.

We have pieces in place, but this team still has a ways to go.

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Though it's great we have a winning record at the moment, we are still a draft/develop/promote team. IMO

Wanted to get this in while the wagon is tilted, and not after a loss.

I'm a realist and I am objective when it comes to knowing what type of players you need to compete for a Cup.

We have pieces in place, but this team still has a ways to go.
this team imo is good enough to make the playoffs and i honestly hate it. we are going to be a tweening team forever. getting another top 5 pick would be huge for this organization, and for all those people who say "we cant sign big name FA unless we make the playoffs" take a look at who picked up the two biggest FA last summer and where Minnesota (gave u the answer) ended in the standings.

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this team imo is good enough to make the playoffs and i honestly hate it. we are going to be a tweening team forever. getting another top 5 pick would be huge for this organization, and for all those people who say "we cant sign big name FA unless we make the playoffs" take a look at who picked up the two biggest FA last summer and where Minnesota (gave u the answer) ended in the standings.
or you know, we could make the playoffs and prove to high value free agents that this is a team worth signing for.. thereby skipping the development curve and having someone who will make a big impact right away.

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