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02-11-2013, 03:54 PM
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This thread is a headache. The Penguins don't even need a player like Bordeleau, their 4th line is fine.

Not to mention the Pens already have someone that brings what Bordeleau does in Zach Sill.

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02-11-2013, 03:55 PM
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Weber straight for Bordeleau seems great for both team, we have too much PMD Weber is realy a PP specialist, he will not hurt you on 5vs5 but won't WOW you. Montreal gets his french golden boy fighter to save our manhood.

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This thread is a headache. The Penguins don't even need a player like Bordeleau, their 4th line is fine.

Not to mention the Pens already have someone that brings what Bordeleau does in Zach Sill.
Patrick Bordeleau brings better size, and he already has NHL-experience. His value is not too much, I don't see a problem with getting him.

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02-11-2013, 03:58 PM
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Patrick Bordeleau brings better size, and he already has NHL-experience. His value is not too much, I don't see a problem with getting him.
Not sure we can say Bordeleau has much more NHL experience though.

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02-11-2013, 04:01 PM
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Not sure we can say Bordeleau has much more NHL experience though.
That's true, but Zach Sill has never played an NHL game. Patrick Bordeleau is type of player we need. We lack size, and he brings that to the table. We can't rely on Deryk Engelland and Tanner Glass fighting the majority of the time, they are players who contribute to the team.

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It takes time for grinders/hybrid enforcers like Chris Neil to develop. Chris Neil didn't produce too many points when he was in the AHL/ECHL. I'm not saying Patrick Bordeleau is capable of that, however I do think he could produce 15-20 points a season.
Highly unlikely given he's still in single digit goals for his AHL career even though he's played 220+ games. Sounds like he's you're run of the mill enforcer just a slightly better skater.

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Easy yes from the Avs. We will give you Shane O'Brien as well.
Weber for Bordeleau+ O'Brien?

As much as O'brien is not liked by the avs, he fits the Habs need more than Weber. Strenghtening our 4th line with Bordeleau is good too. Avs get help on the PP (maybe even get Duchene away from the point ) and save salary.

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Every team has a Patrick Bordeleau type in the system. Why is there so much debate on his value?

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Highly unlikely given he's still in single digit goals for his AHL career even though he's played 220+ games. Sounds like he's you're run of the mill enforcer just a slightly better skater.
He probably had to play 4th-line minutes because he was expected to be an enforcer. He fought often when he was in the AHL, so he's not going play too much minutes while on the ice.


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Every team has a Patrick Bordeleau type in the system. Why is there so much debate on his value?
because the Pens' only real "backbones" are Bortuzzo and Engelland. :p

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Fighting is up in the NHL this year. After Buffalo beefing up to match up with Bruins and it seemed to work ok in their first meeting and after Leafs adding Orr and other and punking Habs in their building, I think there is a little bit of an arms race going on, especially in the East.

The last two cup winners thrived on adding toughness to their teams.

It's not going to turn Bordeleau into someone who will fetch a gigantic return but if the trend of NHL continuing in the current direction, the demand for someone like him going up and even more so for guys that can play on a third line while being tough.

Crombeen and a fifth was traded for two fourth round picks. Brandon Prust got $10M over four years. It's strange times around the league.

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Weber for Bordeleau+ O'Brien?

As much as O'brien is not liked by the avs, he fits the Habs need more than Weber. Strenghtening our 4th line with Bordeleau is good too. Avs get help on the PP (maybe even get Duchene away from the point ) and save salary.
Add in a 5th rounder and it's a good deal for me.

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02-11-2013, 04:37 PM
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Dont you think Bordeleau is a little overated, Avs fans? He gets like an average of 5 mins of ice time a game, he has zero (0) points in 10 games played, he is no where to be seen in the stat that lists hits and hits/game.

He can beat the snot out of most of his adversaries and there are many in the AHL and ECHL that meet this need.

Oh and yes he can skate but so can Johnny Weir.

side note question, what is wrong with Shane OB, injury or deteriorated skills.

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Add in a 5th rounder and it's a good deal for me.
Weber+5th for Bordeleau and O'Brien? Seeing How good Timmins is with 5th rounder, I'd love to keep it, but I'm pretty sure we can get some for spare change at the deadline.

I'd accept that deal, not sure about other habs though.

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Weber+5th for Bordeleau and O'Brien? Seeing How good Timmins is with 5th rounder, I'd love to keep it, but I'm pretty sure we can get some for spare change at the deadline.

I'd accept that deal, not sure about other habs though.
That's 4th rounders (Gallagher, Ellis)

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Dont you think Bordeleau is a little overated, Avs fans? He gets like an average of 5 mins of ice time a game, he has zero (0) points in 10 games played, he is no where to be seen in the stat that lists hits and hits/game.

He can beat the snot out of most of his adversaries and there are many in the AHL and ECHL that meet this need.

Oh and yes he can skate but so can Johnny Weir.

side note question, what is wrong with Shane OB, injury or deteriorated skills.
offensive stats have no mean for this type of player. Bordeleau > Sill

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That's 4th rounders (Gallagher, Ellis)
Dumont, Gallagher, Dietz and Hudon are 2009-2012 5th round pick.

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Dumont, Gallagher,Dietz and Hudon are 2009-2012 5th round pick.
That's my mistake. I thought Gally was a 4th for some reason.

I'm sure we can get a 5th rounder back. We have crap like Weber and Kaberle. Maybe even 2 5th rounders

I'd do the deal. Hell, I'd deal Weber for almost anything.

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Should just do Weber for O'Brien then. Bords is UFA after this year, so a 4th or 5th would be ok come deadline.

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Should just do Weber for O'Brien then. Bords is UFA after this year, so a 4th or 5th would be ok come deadline.
2 mill for SoB... I thought he was less. Ah well I'd still do it.

Would be a 5th. Habs 4th goes to Islanders.

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Dont you think Bordeleau is a little overated, Avs fans? He gets like an average of 5 mins of ice time a game, he has zero (0) points in 10 games played, he is no where to be seen in the stat that lists hits and hits/game.

He can beat the snot out of most of his adversaries and there are many in the AHL and ECHL that meet this need.

Oh and yes he can skate but so can Johnny Weir.

side note question, what is wrong with Shane OB, injury or deteriorated skills.
I think every Avs fan know he is limited as a player. He's a young enforcer that is slightly better at playing hockey than some of the stiffs but worse than most fourth liners.

But just because he is limited as player, that doesn't mean you have to trade him for a 5th rounder or Pens 9th best defensive prospect or something like that. Those things don't have much value to Avs.

Avs coaches seem to like him and they play him. This from a team that hasn't had an enforcer play regularly for them in a decade. So it seems at least they value what he brings.

I might add, Bordeleau to Habs would make the coming Habs-Leafs games much more entertaining. He is a fierce guy.


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I'd rather trade Highlander than Bordy.

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I think every Avs fan know he is limited as a player. He's a young enforcer that is slightly better at playing hockey than some of the stiffs but worse than most fourth liners.

But just because he is limited as player, that doesn't mean you have to trade him for a 5th rounder or Pens 9th best defensive prospect or something like that. Those things don't have much value to Avs.

Avs coaches seem to like him and they play him. This from a team that hasn't had an enforcer play regularly for them in a decade. So it seems at least they value what he brings.

I might add, Bordeleau to Habs would make the coming Habs-Leafs games much more entertaining. He is a fierce guy.
This. After watching guys like David Koci and Peter Worrell for a few years, the Avs are happy to have a guy like Bordeleau. No one expects him to play all 82 games in a season, but it's nice to have a guy with size who isn't a major liability if he plays 7 minutes a game.

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I don't think Colorado would trade him right now.

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Weber+5th for Bordeleau and O'Brien? Seeing How good Timmins is with 5th rounder, I'd love to keep it, but I'm pretty sure we can get some for spare change at the deadline.

I'd accept that deal, not sure about other habs though.
I'd do it. O'brien could just be the odd man out..

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