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02-11-2013, 04:01 PM
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or you know, we could make the playoffs and prove to high value free agents that this is a team worth signing for.. thereby skipping the development curve and having someone who will make a big impact right away.
I don't care where the Leafs finish this year as long as Reimer is doing good.

People do realize that hoping for tanking is essentially hoping that Reimer fails right?

If Reimer fails, we're back at square one in terms of goaltending and #1C.

Reimer continues his play and we have our future goalie and dont have to worry about it.

Plenty of good players picked outside of the top 10. If the Leafs are out of contention, then it's time to sell and finish as low as possible.

Plus, why would Corey Perry/any top UFA for example come to the Leafs if he would be under pressure to help this team make the playoffs? Make the playoffs, get that monkey off our back and UFA's will be more inclined to come.

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02-11-2013, 04:05 PM
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I don't care where the Leafs finish this year as long as Reimer is doing good.

People do realize that hoping for tanking is essentially hoping that Reimer fails right?

If Reimer fails, we're back at square one in terms of goaltending and #1C.

Reimer continues his play and we have our future goalie and dont have to worry about it.

Plenty of good players picked outside of the top 10. If the Leafs are out of contention, then it's time to sell and finish as low as possible.

Plus, why would Corey Perry/any top UFA for example come to the Leafs if he would be under pressure to help this team make the playoffs? Make the playoffs, get that monkey off our back and UFA's will be more inclined to come.
exactly. I honestly can't believe the amount of fools that think tanking (the high pick) is going to solve any more problems. This board, people hype up prospects to no end. It's as people just want a shiny box of prospects that they can show off, than actually want winning results. I don't care if other teams look like they have shiny prospects, all I care is if they helping the team win. If the Leafs suck again, what progress is actually being made here. It only shows how far we would be and the pieces here are all expendable which I dont' believe is the case. Even if we narowly miss the playoffs or make it as a low seed, we can still pick up a good player at where we pick.

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02-11-2013, 04:09 PM
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exactly. I honestly can't believe the amount of fools that think tanking (the high pick) is going to solve any more problems. This board, people hype up prospects to no end. It's as people just want a shiny box of prospects that they can show off, than actually want winning results. I don't care if other teams look like they have shiny prospects, all I care is if they helping the team win. If the Leafs suck again, what progress is actually being made here. It only shows how far we would be and the pieces here are all expendable which I dont' believe is the case. Even if we narowly miss the playoffs or make it as a low seed, we can still pick up a good player at where we pick.
Exactly. Once you make the playoffs you have a chance to win the Cup.

Did Montreal really think they were going to beat the President trophy winners in Washington, and then go on to beat Crosby and the Pens?

They were one series away from the Cup Finals..as an 8th seed.

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02-11-2013, 04:26 PM
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Natural selection in the NHL, not a tank thread. Is this team good enough to make the playoffs or miss and get a 15th pick as opposed to a top 10 one?

For me we may get lucky and grab Justin Bailey, Ryan Pulock, or worst case a Rychel or Hartman. There's quality deeper in this draft, just have to unearth it. Top 10 may yield us a Nichushkin or Zadorov though.

2 comrades I do value rather highly, yep, I can like Russian players.

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02-11-2013, 04:36 PM
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Natural selection in the NHL, not a tank thread. Is this team good enough to make the playoffs or miss and get a 15th pick as opposed to a top 10 one?

For me we may get lucky and grab Justin Bailey, Ryan Pulock, or worst case a Rychel or Hartman. There's quality deeper in this draft, just have to unearth it. Top 10 may yield us a Nichushkin or Zadorov though.

2 comrades I do value rather highly, yep, I can like Russian players.
Yeah. We can get a great player with a top 15 pick.

Ryan Pulock probably drops out of the top 10. Good solid two way D with a great shot.

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02-11-2013, 04:40 PM
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Yeah. We can get a great player with a top 15 pick.

Ryan Pulock probably drops out of the top 10. Good solid two way D with a great shot.
He scored Saturday night, which is a long time between goals for Ryan when you know his shot is lethal. Has a bad wrist, obviously it has been bothering him.

His brother died tragically, he was a big Leafs fan and Burkie booster, Ryan plays with a Leafs tattoo, it would be fitting if the Leafs called his name but there are many that are good around 15. Definitely prefer him over Rychel or Hartman.

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Yeah. We can get a great player with a top 15 pick.

Ryan Pulock probably drops out of the top 10. Good solid two way D with a great shot.
Yup or we can pick up Max Domi. TBH if we made the playoffs and got either Pulock or Domi I think we're in good shape. (I'd rather both though )

Both players are clearly wanting to be drafted by Toronto, so why not? I doubt teams will be drafting these guys unless there's absolutely nobody else they like at around the same position.

Probably why we got Finn last year. Hometown guys or players who have a clear bias towards certain teams whom aren't elite (but have high end potential) seem to fall in the late 1st early 2nd round and get picked up by the local teams. I think this kind of stuff gets fleshed out in the interview process when they determine "fit".

I'd rather we get guys like that then deal with another lottery pick and team blowup.

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02-11-2013, 04:52 PM
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They were one series away from the Cup Finals..as an 8th seed.
and a point of making it, hehe

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Yup or we can pick up Max Domi. TBH if we made the playoffs and got either Pulock or Domi I think we're in good shape. (I'd rather both though )

Both players are clearly wanting to be drafted by Toronto, so why not? I doubt teams will be drafting these guys unless there's absolutely nobody else they like at around the same position.

Probably why we got Finn last year. Hometown guys or players who have a clear bias towards certain teams whom aren't elite (but have high end potential) seem to fall in the late 1st early 2nd round and get picked up by the local teams. I think this kind of stuff gets fleshed out in the interview process when they determine "fit".

I'd rather we get guys like that then deal with another lottery pick and team blowup.
I like Max Domi, just wish he played a little more like his dad did. Not the most edgy player in the draft.

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I like Max Domi, just wish he played a little more like his dad did. Not the most edgy player in the draft.
Meh, we have enough edgy. The Leafs need high end skill in the system now. Broll, Biggs, Devane and Ross can fill our edgy development ranks for the time being.

We have virtually nothing when it comes to goal scoring at forward coming with perhaps the exception of Leivo whom I'm not sold on at all yet.

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02-11-2013, 05:02 PM
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I don't care where the Leafs finish this year as long as Reimer is doing good.

People do realize that hoping for tanking is essentially hoping that Reimer fails right?

If Reimer fails, we're back at square one in terms of goaltending and #1C.

Reimer continues his play and we have our future goalie and dont have to worry about it.

Plenty of good players picked outside of the top 10. If the Leafs are out of contention, then it's time to sell and finish as low as possible.

Plus, why would Corey Perry/any top UFA for example come to the Leafs if he would be under pressure to help this team make the playoffs? Make the playoffs, get that monkey off our back and UFA's will be more inclined to come.
This is exactly how I feel.
this is not the NBA - you don't hand the Cup to the MVP's team. becoming a regular playoff team means you are a Cup contender. but even if I didn't think we had a chance of winning a series, I'd still want the playoffs.

This is a good summer to have cap space and we have a solid amount (raises to players like Kadri and Kessel going forward will be cancelled out by letting players like Mac and Komi go and replacing them with ELC youth. we have room to spend on new players.) We need players to want to fill it.

I understand why tankers dream about MacKinnon...but I'd gladly take an offensive core of Perry/Getz/Kessel/JVR/Lupul/Grabo/Kadri/Frattin going forward. i would be incredibly excited about that. and I think the odds of it, though under 50%, are better than the odds of us picking top 5 again. (at the very least, there's no reason we can't offer Perry more money than anyone else does. if we're a playoff team and we're bringing him in to be a first-liner, why wouldn't that interest him?)

and I'm certainly not going to hope that 2011-12 Reimer was the 'real' Reimer (or that he gets hurt again.) because as stated in this post, that's what true tanking would require.

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Meh, we have enough edgy. The Leafs need high end skill in the system now. Broll, Biggs, Devane and Ross can fill our edgy development ranks for the time being.

We have virtually nothing when it comes to goal scoring at forward coming with perhaps the exception of Leivo whom I'm not sold on at all yet.
I like what I have seen in Leivo, he may turn out to be the top 6 power fwd this team wants, he's also grown since being drafted. Really see nothing but good things for him and us.

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No recent vids of Leivo but dug out some here.

9:48 of video, nice hands



And the toughness part



This kid is going to be a beaut I tell you.

Line of Biggs and Leivo?

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Leivo had a pretty good scare earlier this year with a concussion.. But it looks like he's back at 100% which is good to see. I'm pretty excited to see what he can do with proper coaching and development outside of the Wolves organization. I really hope he can stay focused, fill out his frame, keep that foot speed, and just avoid injuries. He could definitely turn out to be a steal.

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02-11-2013, 06:01 PM
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Definitely not going bottom 5 this year, Reimer looks alot like his old self, guys like Kadri and Frattin are stepping up(frattin took like 20 games to get a goal last season)

Our defensive depth is better, the system seems better.

we're not a top team, but it seems we no longer have a #1 G problem(at least so far this season) which is fantastic as I feel that's a harder hole to fill long-term than a #1 C.

Now we can get a solid player later in the draft, and make a solid trade this summer for a #1 C(maybe 2014 1st+Gardiner+Kuli for Duchene?

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Exactly. Once you make the playoffs you have a chance to win the Cup.

Did Montreal really think they were going to beat the President trophy winners in Washington, and then go on to beat Crosby and the Pens?

They were one series away from the Cup Finals..as an 8th seed.
Montreal rode a red hot goalie to a couple of huge upsets and a couple of seasons later were a lottery team .

Any team can get on a roll and win a series or two but you need actually talent to become a perinial cup contender and not just a one year wonder .

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02-14-2013, 10:01 PM
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We should tank

I dont think the Leafs are going to make the playoffs. The Canes outplayed us today. I think we should tank so we can get a lottery pick and then build outward from there.

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Did you expect us to win the rest of the games.

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Well I'll assume it's more of a joke and move on from there.

But really, just have to survive this injured stretch. In a couple weeks should have Reimer, Frattin, and Gunnarsson back. Gardiner's conditioning is close so he should be able to return soon enough also.

Other than that it's the long wait for Lupul's arm to recover.

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I dont think the Leafs are going to make the playoffs. The Canes outplayed us today. I think we should tank so we can get a lottery pick and then build outward from there.
Really thinking Grabovski, Liles, Kessel, and Phaneuf all need to be moved.

Serious culture problem here in Toronto with Burke and Wilson's team.

Needs to be blown up and grown from the ashes.

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Really thinking Grabovski, Liles, Kessel, and Phaneuf all need to be moved.

Serious culture problem here in Toronto with Burke and Wilson's team.

Needs to be blown up and grown from the ashes.
we are 5th in the east... go cry and whine some where else.

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02-14-2013, 10:18 PM
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Leafs Nation: When one loss trumps four consecutive wins.

Bunch of chicken littles around here...
Reminds me of the Montreal board after their loss to the Leafs. It was hilarious just some of the comments being thrown out, all while they still had a winning record. Team is right where I think many people had before the season started, playing near just above or below .500 hockey.

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With regards to 'tank nation'.


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Cant believe some leaf fans..pathetic! ! Relax ppl let the players return from injury and we will be back to being playoff team
GO LEAFS GO!!

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The only reason to tank is for Jones this year, and that ship has sailed. And Columbus is proud to select...

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