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02-11-2013, 03:49 PM
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Thats pretty clearly a fake account. They're using a recognizable name to buy credence, thats all.

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The problem is I'm not convinced that Kulemin is equal to Sutter, or Sutter to Kulemin for that matter. I haven't seen Sutter play enough. He's getting 15 minutes a night playing with Dupuis, kills penalties and gets a bit of PP time. Pittsburgh is 15th in PK %. He doesn't have a lot of hits, whatever that means.

I dunno. Unless Nonis is making a follow up move despite what I may see in Sutter as potential #2C I can't justify sending Kulemin for that, since we already have a #2C.
Frankly I've said before, Kulemin is one of my favorite players and dealing him off, is not at the top of my list, Komisarek, Steckel and possibly MacArthur, would be better candidates to move but Kulemin is on Pittsburgh's hot list and they may over pay to get him and I would like to see what they may give up and Sutter is a 3rd rd center only because Crosby and Malkin are 1st and 2nd line centers in Pittsburgh, so how can we tell his potential.

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Frankly I've said before, Kulemin is one of my favorite players and dealing him off, is not at the top of my list, Komisarek, Steckel and possibly MacArthur, would be better candidates to move but Kulemin is on Pittsburgh's hot list and they may over pay to get him and I would like to see what they may give up and Sutter is a 3rd rd center only because Crosby and Malkin are 1st and 2nd line centers in Pittsburgh, so how can we tell his potential.
kulemin so overrated on this forum

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i have never heard of that account at all lol.

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Thats pretty clearly a fake account. They're using a recognizable name to buy credence, thats all.
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i have never heard of that account at all lol.
Well when someone else mentioned it, I googled it and that site was 3rd on the list and if it is a fake account, I apologize for posting that but the pens talking to the Leafs about Kulemin, has been mention before, most recently by Howard Berger I think?


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02-11-2013, 04:23 PM
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David Steckel is a bottom line center -- not a hard position to fill.

Tyler Bozak
Mikhail Grabovski
Nazem Kadri
Jay McClement
Leo Komarov

Have all taken more faceoffs then Steckel this season (with more success at that!)

Also factor in that we have Tim Connolly and Joe Colborne in the AHL, who could fill in as one of the four centers in case of injury.

Given his UFA status this offseason I think we unload him before the deadline for a late pick to a team in need of a faceoff specialist.
I would also argue we have a number of players on the Marlies who could, argueably, fill Steckel's role and do a better job if needed. Colborne, Deschamps, Zigomanis, Ryan.

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wait until trade deadline
Face off guys have good value for playoff teams
I could see him being packaged with a defenceman to bring in a decent return. In lines with a decent prospect and a pick.

Im a big fan of Gunar, but starting to think some of the Marlies we have brought in have made him slightly expendable. Always hear the Oilers interested in him, maybe Gunar and Steckel to the Oil for a good prospect and a 2nd.

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I think we'd have to be very lucky to get a player as good as Kulemin with a late first round pick.
I would take a first rounder straight up for Kulemin, but I could see Nonis holding out for more here, as there is no rush or panic to make this type of deal.

Both Kerby Rychel and Ryan Hartman could/should be available from 20-30 in the draft this year. Potential 25-30 goalscorers who can also hit and fight.

I think there are plenty of players who are just as good/better than Kulemin available in this draft. Might take a couple of years to see them, but definitely worth the risk, IMO.

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Isn't Kulemin the type of player you would hope a late 1st turns into? If the Pens are desparate enough to include Bennett with a 1st then it would make more sense, but I wouldn't give up a good young forward for just a pick.

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I like Bernier but I'm just as content to ride Reimer this season and let the pieces fall where they may. It's win-win, provided we don't get itchy trigger fingers and start giving up pieces of our future. If Reimer struggles he will have made the case for Bernier himself, and we get a better draft pick. If Reimer succeeds then we have our #1 and likely make the playoffs.

I think it's a dangerous game to count on replacing lost talent through the UFA pool. For starters, the cost can be prohibitively expensive, as we've seen with Parise/Suter and Richards lately. You're always overpaying in a bidding war for top-end talent like that. It behooves us to keep Frattin and continue developing him in our system on a reasonable contract. Frattin makes 900k for the next season and a half, and we're talking long-term, big contract money to land Horton, Morrow or Clowe. Counting on UFA signings is a dangerous game. I'd much rather sign first, and then explore ridding ourselves of the excess talent we have. Maybe that's what you meant, and in that case I'm fine with it. I don't like to get ahead of myself though, so for now I'll just say IMO we don't move Frattin this season.

I agree on the cMac issue, but really if we lost him to nothing it wouldn't exactly kill our prospect depth. Either way he has no future here.
That is a fair assessment.

Personally I'd like to see the Leafs have a strong 1B candidate to challenge Reimer this season and beyond. I don't think Scrivens is that guy. But with the shortened season Reimer also only has to stay hot for a short period of time and I'm not worried about overworking him because his body had so much time off to rest/train during the lockout. But if he does faulter we're in serious trouble.

If we don't get Bernier I really hope we get a 1B guy like a Theodore/Nabokov (who are both UFAs) level who can be trusted to play 30+ games. Reimer is a promising goalie but I just don't ever see him as a 65+ game workhorse in the Price/King Henry/Rinne level so we really need to have a good backup.

It wouldn't kill us if we lost CMac for nothing but it definitely would sting. The Leafs only have elite prospect in Rielly. When the Leafs decide to make a big trade we're going to be losing some of that prospect depth so acquiring additional pick/prospect for non-key pieces like CMac is important (just like acquiring the extra pick prior to the season for Lombardi was important).

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Isn't Kulemin the type of player you would hope a late 1st turns into? If the Pens are desparate enough to include Bennett with a 1st then it would make more sense, but I wouldn't give up a good young forward for just a pick.
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Isn't Kulemin the type of player you would hope a late 1st turns into? If the Pens are desparate enough to include Bennett with a 1st then it would make more sense, but I wouldn't give up a good young forward for just a pick.
im hoping for a Perry/Eberle/Giroux type player with a late 1st

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Frankly I've said before, Kulemin is one of my favorite players and dealing him off, is not at the top of my list, Komisarek, Steckel and possibly MacArthur, would be better candidates to move but Kulemin is on Pittsburgh's hot list and they may over pay to get him and I would like to see what they may give up and Sutter is a 3rd rd center only because Crosby and Malkin are 1st and 2nd line centers in Pittsburgh, so how can we tell his potential.
Kuli is also one of my favourite players and what I'd term as a glue guy. He can do a little bit of everything well but nothing exceptional.

Kuli is a UFA after next year though and if he wants to test free agency or get a big paycheque his value will never be higher then this deadline so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nonis move him.

The addition of JVR and emergence of Frattin/Komarov have given the really really good depth at the wing. Another factor is that Colborne has quietly put up 15 points in 14 AHL games since the new year and should be ready to see more NHL action by next season at the latest.

Steckel would be lucky to return a late pick.

Komisarek nobody would want at this point but could have value next season as an expiring contract so we might as well keep him and can always buy him out in the summer if necessary.

CMac wouldn't bring nearly as good of a return as Kuli. CMac should have been traded last deadline.

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Anyone else interested in a Kulemin for Brassard swap? Especially if Bozak goes for greener pastures at seasons end

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Anyone else interested in a Kulemin for Brassard swap? Especially if Bozak goes for greener pastures at seasons end
I think we can get better but I freaking love Brassard. Been pumping his tires since a long time.

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Anyone else interested in a Kulemin for Brassard swap? Especially if Bozak goes for greener pastures at seasons end
Absolutely not. Brassard is terrible.

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Absolutely not. Brassard is terrible.
Skill wise? No way. He has a lot to offer however he is a player who can be changed given the right training.

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Kuli is also one of my favourite players and what I'd term as a glue guy. He can do a little bit of everything well but nothing exceptional.

Kuli is a UFA after next year though and if he wants to test free agency or get a big paycheque his value will never be higher then this deadline so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nonis move him.

The addition of JVR and emergence of Frattin/Komarov have given the really really good depth at the wing. Another factor is that Colborne has quietly put up 15 points in 14 AHL games since the new year and should be ready to see more NHL action by next season at the latest.

Steckel would be lucky to return a late pick.

Komisarek nobody would want at this point but could have value next season as an expiring contract so we might as well keep him and can always buy him out in the summer if necessary.

CMac wouldn't bring nearly as good of a return as Kuli. CMac should have been traded last deadline.


Agreed on the depth. JVR has (so far) worked out wonderfully for us, and the move was a classic case of using our depth to our advantage, the same thing Pittsburgh wants to do. I agree that Clarke wouldn't yield much of a return, especially now, I only see him as a package where teams looking to shore up their 2nd/3rd line wing and get some defensive depth will want.

The Komi thing is so wierd... I mean on the one hand, the guy has looked solid in the games he's played. Quicker, more responsible. On the other, we're playing well and winning without him, and Carlyle seems to have a preference to the younger guys. To me, I see this as classic showcasing. I can see us interchanging Holzer, Fraser and Komi with basically no net loss other than the occasional scrap from Fraser, which we may not need every game. Kostka may also be trade fodder, and we've won with Gunner out of the lineup too, and looked good doing it - we are much tougher.

Tough call for Nonis, after the 10 game mark he has lots of options. Good place to be in though.

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What's Brassard like defensively? He has horrible +/- over his career but he's on Columbus so I can't really make any conclusions from that lol

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Isn't Kulemin the type of player you would hope a late 1st turns into? If the Pens are desparate enough to include Bennett with a 1st then it would make more sense, but I wouldn't give up a good young forward for just a pick.
It is and Asthon is that late pick. If Pens would offer their 1st and Morrow I think we should do the deal. And I am a fan of Kulemin but he can be replaced from with in and we would add to the prospect pool. But as you said for just a pick and/or a lowly rated prospect then it is a no deal.

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Skill wise? No way. He has a lot to offer however he is a player who can be changed given the right training.
The points he has put up are against pretty weak competition..and his numbers aren't even great. I am not moving Kulemin for him. If Brassard was Russian, people would talk a lot more ***** about him.

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It is and Asthon is that late pick. If Pens would offer their 1st and Morrow I think we should do the deal. And I am a fan of Kulemin but he can be replaced from with in and we would add to the prospect pool. But as you said for just a pick and/or a lowly rated prospect then it is a no deal.
Tbh I'd say 1st + Maata/Bennett or 2nd + Morrow.

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Kulemin should warrant a roster center - so Sutter. If not, they can go away.

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The only way we are trading for a centre, is if it's a number one centre. We're not trading for Sutter!

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