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02-09-2013, 08:36 AM
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Really, can someone explain to me how flipping a couple of picks 4 slots in both directions is so heinous?

I move down 4 slots, them move up 4 slots later, Ottawa moves up 4 slots and then moves down 4 slots later.....this is a heretic highway robbery of a deal that's worth all the hoo-hah it's producing?

In a real life draft would this even produce a burp?

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02-09-2013, 12:07 PM
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Listening to offers on pick #227

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02-09-2013, 04:54 PM
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Really, can someone explain to me how flipping a couple of picks 4 slots in both directions is so heinous?

I move down 4 slots, them move up 4 slots later, Ottawa moves up 4 slots and then moves down 4 slots later.....this is a heretic highway robbery of a deal that's worth all the hoo-hah it's producing?

In a real life draft would this even produce a burp?
Since nobody else answered, I'll take a stab. The general rule of thought is that a pick now is worth more than a pick later, so you lost the trade by doing a 1-to-1 swap. An On-The-Clock pick is especially valuable, since you know especially who you are drafting. So a 4 pick upgrade is worth something when it is for an OTC pick, but a 4 pick downgrade later on isn't worth all that much.

My guess is that if the trade wasn't for an OTC pick, nobody would have raised an issue. You really didn't lose anything yourself, but overpass probably should have given up more to get an OTC pick, and I think that's what raised eyebrows a little.

Anyway, since most GMs seem against having hard and fast rules on what will or won't be allowed, trades that stray too far from the "i'll give you twice later what you give me now" formula will almost always require some kind of discussion. The point of this thread is to have that discussion and keep it out of the main draft thread.


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02-09-2013, 04:56 PM
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anybody looking to move up?

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02-09-2013, 05:23 PM
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anybody looking to move up?
Yes.

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02-09-2013, 08:58 PM
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Trade to announce:

to MadArcand - Hartford Whalers 228, 292

to markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks 245, 268

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02-09-2013, 08:59 PM
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can I veto this because he's my division rival?

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02-09-2013, 09:16 PM
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Trade to announce:

to MadArcand - Hartford Whalers 228, 292

to markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks 245, 268
That's fine.

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02-09-2013, 09:29 PM
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i think its fine, assuming MadArcand confirms

i mean, it's not fine with me if he steals my guy, but that's not a reason to veto

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02-09-2013, 09:30 PM
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can I veto this because he's my division rival?
I think I should've taken it, I have a bad feeling coming on....

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02-09-2013, 09:32 PM
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I think I should've taken it, I have a bad feeling coming on....
If he takes my guy, you can have my pick

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02-10-2013, 03:56 AM
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Unfortunately my guy (Alfredsson) was taken by TDMM. I didn't realize we were trading on the clock, the 1st post wasn't updated that far. I went to bed at 2AM, mark posted at 4AM and TDMM stole my guy at 10AM. And I got up at 11AM.

FFS.

I may still confirm though, gimme a sec.

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02-10-2013, 04:07 AM
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Trade to announce:

to MadArcand - Hartford Whalers 228, 292

to markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks 245, 268
Confirmed, if only to keep the draft fluid.

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02-10-2013, 04:10 AM
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Confirmed, if only to keep the draft fluid.
The pick was skipped, so we're moving on regardless

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02-10-2013, 04:17 AM
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The pick was skipped, so we're moving on regardless
Yes but I don't want to leave mark hanging with a skipped pick.

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02-10-2013, 11:26 AM
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Ugh, I hate to see this MadArcand, but I had every intention of picking last night, starting at 7:30 PM when the guy before me went on the clock, then refreshing the damn page every 20 minutes for the next 8 hours, while he sat on the website posting, while his clock wound down to zero. Eventually, I had to go to bed. If I didn't pick, I would have been skipped myself by the time I woke up and REALLY held things up. I guess I could have sent a list to someone, but seemed silly when I was online myself. And well, like I said, I was jonsing to pick all night.

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Yes but I don't want to leave mark hanging with a skipped pick.
He left himself hanging. He was here posting all night, well aware that his time was ticking down to zero.

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02-10-2013, 12:04 PM
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Ugh, I hate to see this MadArcand, but I had every intention of picking last night, starting at 7:30 PM when the guy before me went on the clock, then refreshing the damn page every 20 minutes for the next 8 hours, while he sat on the website posting, while his clock wound down to zero. Eventually, I had to go to bed. If I didn't pick, I would have been skipped myself by the time I woke up and REALLY held things up. I guess I could have sent a list to someone, but seemed silly when I was online myself. And well, like I said, I was jonsing to pick all night.



He left himself hanging. He was here posting all night, well aware that his time was ticking down to zero.

So I should have just went back on my word and picked? Ya great call.

Thank you to MadArcand, it was a strange situation but it looks as though everything has ran it's course, FWIW Fleury is a better pick then Alfie.

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02-11-2013, 04:24 PM
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vanislander and I submit for approval:

to Yekaterinburg: 383 + 511
to Hershey: 353 + 800

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02-11-2013, 04:29 PM
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vanislander and I submit for approval:

to Yekaterinburg: 383 + 511
to Hershey: 353 + 800
VI sure loves his wacky trades. 30 pick upgrade in Round 12 (basically a small but possibly significant upgrade of a third liner or #4 defenseman). In exchange for giving away Round 16 pick (a bottom pairing defenseman or elite 4th liner) for nothing.

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02-11-2013, 04:36 PM
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I don't even know what that trade is. Like....why? Why now? What brought about these talks lol?

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02-11-2013, 04:37 PM
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I don't even know what that trade is. Like....why? Why now? What brought about these talks lol?
My first thought was also "WHY?"

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02-11-2013, 04:41 PM
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He's offered a similar deal twice before, at times when it made no sense for my interests. 353 for 383 does serve a purpose for me if all goes well, and I can only assume VI either:
1. Is big on having the best role players
2. Thinks he can grab a major steal when everyone's practically packed up and left
3. Likes....doin' stuff. I dunno. I hope this isn't the one. I'm trying to be sensible here.

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02-11-2013, 04:42 PM
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I'm not sure what to think of it either. There's an obvious winner but I don't feel like it comprimises the integrity of the draft at all. I guess it's ok...?

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02-11-2013, 04:44 PM
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Unfortunately, I think this is the type of trade that needs to go to a full vote of the trade committee. I honestly don't know what I think of it right now.

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02-11-2013, 04:46 PM
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I have no clue if this is a vetoable trade...

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