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02-11-2013, 01:59 PM
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Therrien likely feels that Eller is soft and the 4th line will toughen him up. Also, the more pissed Eller gets the better he'll play and maximize his opportunities.

Only explanation I can think of.

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02-11-2013, 02:14 PM
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Eller benched after one game. Desharnais has sucked all year and still no accountability. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Habs will never win with him in the top 2 lines.
I think that it is a wise and safe thing to do to show a certain patience for a player who scored 60 points last year and who's not a lot older than Eller. I'm sure that if Eller had a 60 points season under his belt, Therrien would have shown the same patience.

That said, Therrien is showing that his patience is diminishing by this small line change, and he's showing he's apprecitaing Eller's efforts by moving him up the ladder during the last few games. If the slide down continue and Eller continues to play well, he will have his chance.

It is way different than last year. Therrien is dealing pretty well with his players until now. We'll see in the near future.

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02-11-2013, 02:19 PM
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I just don't get why they haven't put them back to together. They were great last year, why mess with something that is working, this also goes to the pk system, seems a lot different, it was 2nd best in the league, why change it.

Plus Bouillon Diaz would be a decent 3rd pairing with how they played this year.
I believe this has been discussed before,with Gionta out the Habs relied on the DD line and we all know how last season finished.With the Galchenyuk line needing some of the easier icetime for the rookies,Plecky's line and DD's have to take more defensive minutes.The results have been good other than the Leafs games, when they get a lead Toronto are a hard team to come back on.If they increase the lead it gets worse,they grind the game out and try to injure the opponents.The Habs cannot play the Leafs game,scoring first would give the Habs a chance to impose their game.Speed and forechecking against a team that has their size isn't an easy thing,as we seen in the Boston game.I notice the schedule allows for Tampa playing Toronto & Boston in the same week also,but one got postponed.In a season like this teams are going to hit the wall and playing bigger teams that grind it out,just emphasize that point.Now the Habs face a fresh Tampa team next instead of a tired team that played Boston.Luck isn't on the Habs side and it's not going to get easier.

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02-11-2013, 02:24 PM
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Not that I agree with the lines but how is switching Pacioretty and Prust panicking?
Yeah, this is hardly a shakeup, thread title is a little misleading. But after the last 3 games any tiny change will do, just something to get them going back on track.

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02-11-2013, 02:57 PM
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Wtf else does Eller have to do to get a chance on a real line with at least one player who can actually stickhandle?

If he were born in Rimouski instead of Rødovre lol. Anyway, just because we traded Halak for Eller does not mean he'll have similar value, even if some fans expect that. Eller seems too "nice" to be the big C the Habs need. He needs more Viking Menace.

Elsewise I like the F lines, hope we see Subban-Gorges on D soon.

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02-11-2013, 03:56 PM
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Per several reporters on twitter, lines this morning:

Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Prust-Desharnais-Cole
Moen-Eller-Armstrong

Unfortunately, the same defence pairings.
Why Eller on the 4th??
And again...no White? (**** Therrien).
I blame Therrien more than White.
We have a healthy team and the coach can't get the team to win?
(instead he blames everything on White...6-0 loss to Leafs...gonna blame White?). I like Galchenyuk on the 2nd with Pacioretty, but I liked Prust as the big brother for Galchy and Gally (protection for rookies).


Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Prust-Eller-Cole
Moen-Desharnais-White
Armstrong
(rotate Prust and Pacioretty...to protect Galchy and Gally).


Gorges-Subban (21 to 23min)
Markov-Emelin (19-21min)
Bouillon-Diaz (18min)


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02-11-2013, 04:04 PM
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If he were born in Rimouski instead of Rødovre lol.
Bigotry oh bigotry.


DD just got demoted ffs.... it's really stupid to claim that Eller is a victim of his nationality.

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02-11-2013, 04:13 PM
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If he were born in Rimouski instead of Rødovre lol. Anyway, just because we traded Halak for Eller does not mean he'll have similar value, even if some fans expect that. Eller seems too "nice" to be the big C the Habs need. He needs more Viking Menace.

Elsewise I like the F lines, hope we see Subban-Gorges on D soon.
Did Eller collected 60 ****ing points last season ?

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02-11-2013, 04:16 PM
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Per several reporters on twitter, lines this morning:

Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Prust-Desharnais-Cole
Moen-Eller-Armstrong

Unfortunately, the same defence pairings.
Has to be the worst 4 lines in hockey. With Cole on break, Not one great line anymore.
And what's worse- our small defense.
I love the Habs but I don't like the make up of this team. Sorry to be honest.

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02-11-2013, 04:19 PM
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A win next game would have the team 7-4-1, pretty damn good if you ask me, good for 5th in the East.
A loss makes us 6-5. That looks pretty mediocre to me.

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02-11-2013, 04:20 PM
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Therrien likely feels that Eller is soft and the 4th line will toughen him up. Also, the more pissed Eller gets the better he'll play and maximize his opportunities.

Only explanation I can think of.
Considering Eller was one of the more physical players against the leafs I think Therrien might have liked it and put him on the 4th line to have a physical line that can score.

Playoffs and games like that against Toronto Eller steps it up.

Hopefully in practice Armstrong was the odd man out. Guy has done nothing for us.I think he's thrown 2 big hits. 1 against Kane and got a penalty and I forget the other one.

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02-11-2013, 04:21 PM
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I've been saying from the get-go that Subban is a better 5-on-5/PK defender than Markov...

Nice to see some people finally see the light. Markov's game is not as well suited against teams that are remotely physical, it's no secret. It's one of the reasons his game was always less effective in the playoffs as well. That's not to say he is a bad defenseman, because he is a great one. That said, IMO Subban as a 5-on-5 and penalty killing defenseman is in the elite category. He makes some bad decisions from time to time but he matches up extraordinarily well against any kind of of forward, whether it's Milan Lucic or Marian Gaborik. He has the speed and strength to hold his own against them all.

Gorges-Subban needs to be the pairing that eats up the most minutes 5-on-5 and fast.

Gorges-Subban 23-25 min
Markov-Emelin 19-21 min
Bouillon-Diaz 14-18 min

I'd even argue Subban needs to play between 25-30 min when you factor in the PP and the PK.

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02-11-2013, 04:36 PM
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Bigotry oh bigotry. DD just got demoted ffs.... it's really stupid to claim that Eller is a victim of his nationality.
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Did Eller collected 60 ****ing points last season ?
I like DD -- there are some things he can't due because of his size and there are some things he can do because of his size, he has to continue to work on that.

BUT, come on Eller would get more support if he were a Québecois and you know it. Again, I like that too. Look at Foligno in Buffalo, there are many examples -- fans love a local player and as the Habs are geo-positioned in hockey-player-producing area, we should have some, especially given the fans speak French there should be players who can speak to them.

IMO it's not all about that though, Eller is a victim of:

1) Niceness. Who is the mean s.o.b. on our team? If Eller played tougher he might get ahead.

2) Expectation. We traded a very good starting goalie so many fans expect Eller should come out roughly equal to Halak's value.

3) Wrong coach. Maybe JM was not the best coach for Eller's development, MT seems better, I'm patient.

Go Habs Go!

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02-11-2013, 04:37 PM
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Has to be the worst 4 lines in hockey. With Cole on break, Not one great line anymore.
And what's worse- our small defense.
I love the Habs but I don't like the make up of this team. Sorry to be honest.
Funny how 1 week ago we had 3 good lines and now everyone is bad

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02-11-2013, 05:11 PM
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To much love for Bourque from Therrien, he is playing better this year but not much production... i would go with

patches-pleks-gionta
gally-eller-gally
bourque-dd-cole
armstrong-prust-moen

markov-gorges
subban-emelin
diaz-boullion

and we need a heavy weight either as 7th d or 13th forward

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To much love for Bourque from Therrien, he is playing better this year but not much production... i would go with

patches-pleks-gionta
gally-eller-gally
bourque-dd-cole
armstrong-prust-moen

markov-gorges
subban-emelin
diaz-boullion

and we need a heavy weight either as 7th d or 13th forward
Bourque is tied for 2nd most points by our forwards...? If anyone is dragging that line down offensively it is Gionta.

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02-11-2013, 05:19 PM
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To much love for Bourque from Therrien, he is playing better this year but not much production... i would go with

patches-pleks-gionta
gally-eller-gally
bourque-dd-cole
armstrong-prust-moen

markov-gorges
subban-emelin
diaz-boullion

and we need a heavy weight either as 7th d or 13th forward
Interesting. I'm not sold, but I would like to see those lines in a game.

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02-11-2013, 05:33 PM
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Eller on the 4th line is such a waste.

Why not try DD-Eller-Cole instead. For once Eller would get decent wingers.

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A loss makes us 6-5. That looks pretty mediocre to me.
bolts are on a losing streak too,so somethings gotta give.habs usually get crushed in florida.we could very easily be 6-6 by friday.

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Funny how 1 week ago we had 3 good lines and now everyone is bad
Guys I'm not excited about:
Cole (attitude hopefully will change)
Gionta (small)
Armstrong (everything)
Moen (production and unwilling)
DD (too many small centers)
Cube (small)

I really would like to move some of these guys for larger bodies, especially needed on defense.

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DD (too many small centers)
Leaving aside the specific players in question (Plekanec and Desharnais), why do you think having two undersized centers is a bad thing?

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And a loss brings us to 6-5-1, pretty damn mediocre if you ask me.

Pretty close to what I thought we would be at the start of the year, roughly a .500 team.
Newsflash: Habs are still a mediocre team.

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I like DD -- there are some things he can't due because of his size and there are some things he can do because of his size, he has to continue to work on that.

BUT, come on Eller would get more support if he were a Québecois and you know it. Again, I like that too. Look at Foligno in Buffalo, there are many examples -- fans love a local player and as the Habs are geo-positioned in hockey-player-producing area, we should have some, especially given the fans speak French there should be players who can speak to them.

IMO it's not all about that though, Eller is a victim of:

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Support BY WHOM, exactly?!

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To much love for Bourque from Therrien, he is playing better this year but not much production... i would go with

patches-pleks-gionta
gally-eller-gally
bourque-dd-cole
armstrong-prust-moen

markov-gorges
subban-emelin
diaz-boullion

and we need a heavy weight either as 7th d or 13th forward
That is one terrible line up, Bourque brings so much to his line to replace him with Patches is nothing short of bias. Then to pull Galchenyuk off the position he is having the most success at is a bad move.

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Still the same pairings on defense ? Hard to understand why Subban isnt used back together with Gorges, which would make all 6 players much better.

Eller still on the 4th line ?

Pacioretty, the best winger of the team, with two kids ? Of course other teams will surely let them play against 3rd pairing-defensemen.

They are very sheltered right now, and i doubt they really can do much better about this. Yes, they did score some goals, but they're a weak link at ES. If you use them with a better player, other teams will send better lines against them...This could be ugly.
And if its not, its likely meaning that another line is suffering too much from it (like last year, with Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole), since the wingers used in the other lines will be inadequate.

Which leads to the fact that Prust playing with Desharnais is so illogical, that i start to wonder if Therrien did not simply lucked out on his first try with the lineup.

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