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02-11-2013, 03:16 PM
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Every player takes bad shots. Wayne Gretzky took bad shots.
A bad shot is one that misses the net. Ripping corners and roofs is important from time to time, but when you take ten shots, only one or two go in. Many go directly into the glove or chest. That's a fact for every player in the NHL.

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02-11-2013, 03:16 PM
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BTW, this may be crazy but this line could probably the 2nd line on any Rangers team since the lockout. I guess maybe some of the Richards lines, when Gabby was playing with Stepan last year, but he wasn't playing that well then.

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02-11-2013, 03:22 PM
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BTW, this may be crazy but this line could probably the 2nd line on any Rangers team since the lockout. I guess maybe some of the Richards lines, when Gabby was playing with Stepan last year, but he wasn't playing that well then.
I like the line a lot and like the hunger they show, but remember that you are talking about two very raw, young rookies. This is not a second line and I am sure that not every game will look quite as good as the last two contests.

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02-11-2013, 03:43 PM
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I'm only talking in terms of hockey skill in terms of shot, skating, passing, vision, which is where Callahan belongs in this group. Also Steen plays behind Backes and Berglund as 3C. Horcoff and Stoll also both had 65+ pt seasons each once in their careers, but neither hit it consistently. I doubt Callahan ever hits 60 pts in his career, too much of a grinder to do so.
Whether or not he is a grinder shouldn't affect his production. Not every major point producer in this league is a sniper. Parise is technically a grinder yet he hit 96 points a few seasons back.

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02-11-2013, 03:46 PM
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That is literally the one and only breakaway/shootout deke Callahan has used going all the way back to the Victoria Cup final.

If you're one of the league's more intuitive goaltenders, you know it by now.

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02-11-2013, 04:19 PM
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Horrible. Would not watch again.

I use that move in NHL 13 all of the time. Works about 85% of the time.

I can't believe people think he has the skillset of a bottom 6 grinder.
I've also seen people say that Callahan never makes a "hockey play," whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

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02-11-2013, 04:36 PM
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I like the line a lot and like the hunger they show, but remember that you are talking about two very raw, young rookies. This is not a second line and I am sure that not every game will look quite as good as the last two contests.
Yes, but seems like most years since the lockout we had one decent player on the 2nd line. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself and should have said they have a chance to become that.

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02-11-2013, 04:39 PM
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That is literally the one and only breakaway/shootout deke Callahan has used going all the way back to the Victoria Cup final.

If you're one of the league's more intuitive goaltenders, you know it by now.
As much as I think Cally is being underrated, I remember Ortmeyer deking a goalie for the Bruins out of his jock on a penalty shot. Fancier move than Cally pulled. Even the worst offensive NHL players have good skill.

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02-11-2013, 06:35 PM
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The more I review the last few games the more I come away impressed with Kreider. He's made some very nice passing plays. The one last night to Gabby from behind the net, off the rush was superb.

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As much as I think Cally is being underrated, I remember Ortmeyer deking a goalie for the Bruins out of his jock on a penalty shot. Fancier move than Cally pulled. Even the worst offensive NHL players have good skill.
I was at that game. The goal wasn't all that pretty but given the shooter, it was impressive and IIRC the Garden went nuts.

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02-11-2013, 08:22 PM
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That is literally the one and only breakaway/shootout deke Callahan has used going all the way back to the Victoria Cup final.

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It's more or less true. He tends to shoot more than deke, though.

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02-11-2013, 08:26 PM
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I'm only talking in terms of hockey skill in terms of shot, skating, passing, vision, which is where Callahan belongs in this group. Also Steen plays behind Backes and Berglund as 3C. Horcoff and Stoll also both had 65+ pt seasons each once in their careers, but neither hit it consistently. I doubt Callahan ever hits 60 pts in his career, too much of a grinder to do so.
He ha 54 points last year, and missed six games. That puts him pretty close to 60 points.

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02-12-2013, 09:56 AM
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Callahan scored at a PPG pace in the OHL, had a 50 goal season. He then turned pro and scored more than .5 goals per game, once again at a PPG until he forced his way onto the Rangers roster at 21 years old. The guy is just reaching his prime and in his last two seasons (along with the pressure of taking the captaincy) he has potted almost 30 and 60 (prorated). I thoroughly believe he has another gear too as he is only 27 years old. I'm not sure what anybody's argument about him not being skilled like a top 6 winger is? I would say virtually any team in the league would kill for a guy like Callahan on their second line.

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02-12-2013, 03:27 PM
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I miss what is so appealing about their Americanness - there are tons of Americans that play hockey, I don't know why we treat it like a novelty - but I like the line a lot. I think they've been the line with the greatest sense of urgency over the last two games. I still want to see Kreider go to the net a little more - or I actually just want to see him do more of all the things that Ryan Callahan does, I don't know if playing on the same line encourages that, but it probably can't hurt.
The appeal of an all American line is that WE ARE AMERICANS and there arent a lot of all American lines out there if any. It is pretty cool because not only are they American but they are homegrown as well. This sport is dominated by other countries so yes it is pretty cool that all 3 are American

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02-12-2013, 04:00 PM
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Callahan scored at a PPG pace in the OHL, had a 50 goal season. He then turned pro and scored more than .5 goals per game, once again at a PPG until he forced his way onto the Rangers roster at 21 years old. The guy is just reaching his prime and in his last two seasons (along with the pressure of taking the captaincy) he has potted almost 30 and 60 (prorated). I thoroughly believe he has another gear too as he is only 27 years old. I'm not sure what anybody's argument about him not being skilled like a top 6 winger is? I would say virtually any team in the league would kill for a guy like Callahan on their second line.
He plays defense and doesn't try and dangle through defenders legs enough. That makes him a 3rd line grinder. Get with it.

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02-12-2013, 04:10 PM
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He plays defense and doesn't try and dangle through defenders legs enough. That makes him a 3rd line grinder. Get with it.
The funny thing is he is a 3rd liner right now and I love it. We finally have a good third line! Granted it's a bit worrisome due to the age of the players.

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It's his go to move. Aside from the shot to the high glove side, it's this move. The one against J.Gusty, Miller shootout, Miller 100th OT goal, Tampa goal. 2 of each.

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Personally, I think labeling a 1st - 3rd line is silly, especially under Torts.

Ryan Callahan may technically be on the 3rd line, but his minutes are a much better indicator regarding both his skill level and importance to the team.

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02-12-2013, 04:15 PM
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Personally, I think labeling a 1st - 3rd line is silly, especially under Torts.

Ryan Callahan may technically be on the 3rd line, but his minutes are a much better indicator regarding both his skill level and importance to the team.
Bingo. Hard to find many "3rd liners" who are getting 20 minutes a night in every situation.

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Whether or not he is a grinder shouldn't affect his production. Not every major point producer in this league is a sniper. Parise is technically a grinder yet he hit 96 points a few seasons back.
Parise plays like a grinder, but he has some of the best hands in tight in the league.

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Bingo. Hard to find many "3rd liners" who are getting 20 minutes a night in every situation.
Which is why I always found it amusing when people would post lineups saying Callahan has to be in the top 6. I just want players who have chemistry with each other playing on the same line. Callahan is always going to get 20+ minutes, since he plays in all situations, and gets prime minutes on both the PP and PK, as well as in defensive situations late in games.

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He ha 54 points last year, and missed six games. That puts him pretty close to 60 points.
True. He could possibly touch those numbers once or twice in his career.

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