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02-11-2013, 09:49 PM
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I dont think its that bad of a move. Are the oilers really that much tougher with him in the line up? He does the same job as Ben Eager, difference being he gets literally 3 shifts a game. There is no point having toughness if its only going to be in effect maybe once a period......

Hordichuk was never anywhere close to solving the oilers toughness problem, and honestly getting rid of him changes nothing

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02-11-2013, 09:58 PM
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No issue with him getting waived. He's not a good hockey player and the coach clearly had no interest in giving him an opportunity.

My question is why did the Oilers sign him in the first place? It is clear from the 4 games and 8 minutes that he's gotten that Krueger has had zero interest in giving him even the slightest chance. Did management not discuss with their new coach whether or not they should bring him back?

Just a waste of a contract spot on the 50 limit.

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02-11-2013, 11:08 PM
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Whether we like it or not, the era of having enforcer is gone. They cannot do enough to protect or deter like they did in the past due to the way the game is today.

Instigator rules, concussion concerns as medical field discovered more about it, and the players themselves being more willing dive and backing off in a confrontation to draw penalties than fight to settle things. It's so delicate to try to get into a fight these days that you almost need a checklist before getting into a fight so that as an enforcer:

1. you don't take an extra 2 minute penalty (coach will bench you)
2. you don't take a 10min misconduct (coach will not play you rest of the game)
3. you don't receive a concussion (you may not be able fight anymore or your career can be over quick)
4. you don't get injured (someone will take your spot)
5. you don't pick a smaller opponent to fight (media & other team will call you out, & your smaller teammate have to deal with other team bigger guys)
6. you must stop punching if your opponent is hurt (like it's easy to do when you have to worry about getting punch in your head if you let up)
7. you must swing even if you're over match (because they might call you a Stortini or huggy bear)
8. you should not do staged fight or fight near end of game or before or after whistle (because some media or the league will call you out)
9. you should only fight in the heat of the moment but you must remember to remove your visor (or you get a penalty like Smid did)
10. you should stand up or help your teammate if they're getting run or roughed up, but if you are wearing a visor, you may get 2 min extra for that, plus 2 for instigating, 5 for fighting, and may be 10 min or game misconduct depends on other things. (if you don't jump in, the fans, media and Don Cherry will call you a soft player)

It feels like tougher to find a good enforcer who can avoid all the above and can complete the checklist 5 times a year than finding a 30 goal scorer.

Might as well dress a better defensive player who can do some PK, or a decent size guy who has enough speed to give a few hits and can play 10-12 min than dressing an enforcer who plays 2 minutes a game. Kind of sad to see the enforcers all losing their jobs, but the team has got to adapt.

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02-12-2013, 01:14 AM
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Another superb signing by Tambellini. Has he had any good free agent signings?

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02-12-2013, 01:21 AM
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Put Smyth there too if you can't make a trade. Completely useless.

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02-12-2013, 01:24 AM
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Another superb signing by Tambellini. Has he had any good free agent signings?
Well Schultz fell into his lap but it was a good signing.

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02-12-2013, 01:58 AM
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I like him, but I won't lose sleep over this.

If CVV is in... and if Jones is coming back... can we bench Smyth?

I want to be able to have Petrel on the PK.
I want to give Eager a chance to look like a tough guy on a nightly basis.
I want to win face-offs.
I like Hartikainen's physical game.

Bench Smyth ^^

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02-12-2013, 08:17 AM
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But in those games how often did get regular shifts? His ass was stapled to the bench in pretty much all of them. The only game I can recall where he was played regularly was when he played Brad Staubitz like a fiddle.



Again, I think it's tough to do much when you get one shift in the first period, and then get stapled to the bench for the rest of the game. It takes more than one shift to get into a good rhythm.



I don't get comments like this. People have differing opinions, we aren't a collective hive mind. Some people wanted him gone, some people didn't.
He played 5 minutes more most of his career before coming here, we played him 4 minutes. That was his regular action.

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02-12-2013, 08:18 AM
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No relation, Matt is from Edmonton area.

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02-12-2013, 08:59 AM
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I like him, but I won't lose sleep over this.

If CVV is in... and if Jones is coming back... can we bench Smyth?

I want to be able to have Petrel on the PK.
I want to give Eager a chance to look like a tough guy on a nightly basis.
I want to win face-offs.
I like Hartikainen's physical game.

Bench Smyth ^^
Im on to bench smyth when jones back! But i doesnt think they do that anyway. I think paajarvi ends up in the popcorn box and rotating with eager. Really strong game from petrell last game, remember 2 pk where he was a beast.

But with our injury curse we will have up half oklahoma soon!

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02-12-2013, 09:16 AM
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No issue with him getting waived. He's not a good hockey player and the coach clearly had no interest in giving him an opportunity.

My question is why did the Oilers sign him in the first place? It is clear from the 4 games and 8 minutes that he's gotten that Krueger has had zero interest in giving him even the slightest chance. Did management not discuss with their new coach whether or not they should bring him back?

Just a waste of a contract spot on the 50 limit.
Exactly. A 100 times. Exactly.

And the answer as to why?

Because the media & fans in Edmonton screamed bloody murder that we NEEDED guys like this. Thats why SMAC came through here (twice) and thats why Hordichuk and Eager BOTH got signed on the same day.

Don't get me wrong...the team was/is needing toughness.

But this was never close to a solution.

You can't change the identity of a team by swapping out 4rth line players.

The identity of a team is mainly determined by who the top 6 guys are and how they play the game.

Captain Obvious.

Tambo blew it. Again.

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02-12-2013, 09:22 AM
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Exactly. A 100 times. Exactly.

And the answer as to why?

Because the media & fans in Edmonton screamed bloody murder that we NEEDED guys like this. Thats why SMAC came through here (twice) and thats why Hordichuk and Eager BOTH got signed on the same day.

Don't get me wrong...the team was/is needing toughness.

But this was never close to a solution.

You can't change the identity of a team by swapping out 4rth line players.

The identity of a team is mainly determined by who the top 6 guys are and how they play the game.

Captain Obvious.

Tambo blew it. Again.
Are Colton Orr, Mark Fraser, Frazer McLaren and Mike Brown top six players?

The Leafs are probably the toughest team in the league.

Maybe you and others are ok with being more like the Habs?

I cant wait until the Oilers get in a game like last Saturday's Leafs vs Habs game. Its going to happen. Not a matter of if, but when.

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02-12-2013, 09:29 AM
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Exactly. A 100 times. Exactly.

And the answer as to why?

Because the media & fans in Edmonton screamed bloody murder that we NEEDED guys like this. Thats why SMAC came through here (twice) and thats why Hordichuk and Eager BOTH got signed on the same day.

Don't get me wrong...the team was/is needing toughness.

But this was never close to a solution.

You can't change the identity of a team by swapping out 4rth line players.

The identity of a team is mainly determined by who the top 6 guys are and how they play the game.

Captain Obvious.

Tambo blew it. Again.
Worse still the Vancouver Canucks classically illustrated the folly of stocking up on goons like Brookebank, May, and having Cooke and Bert in the lineup. Which only served to make other teams hammer your skilled players harder as they find it easy to dislike your club.

Rather than detent this kind of personnel as often leads in escalation of hostilities. Then with Sedins/Naslund wondering what to do.

I'm a little offended actually that Tambo would still try that dead broke and failed model here.

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02-12-2013, 09:31 AM
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Another superb signing by Tambellini. Has he had any good free agent signings?
Ummm Justin Schultz

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Ummm Justin Schultz
I do believe that was a T. Hall signing. Tambellini was busy being the Head Bee Guy in the bowels of Rexall that day.

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Are Colton Orr, Mark Fraser, Frazer McLaren and Mike Brown top six players?

The Leafs are probably the toughest team in the league.

Maybe you and others are ok with being more like the Habs?

I cant wait until the Oilers get in a game like last Saturday's Leafs vs Habs game. Its going to happen. Not a matter of if, but when.
Paper weight argument here. Were already a team built like the Habs and we definatley don't have any success with it.

But the answer isn't modelling ourselves after the current Leafs.

Come on.

There are plenty of teams who can & do handle the Habs.

There are plenty of teams who can and do handle the current Oilers.

The solution doesn't lay in the hands of 4rth line guys.

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Hordichuk clears waivers

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I like him, but I won't lose sleep over this.

If CVV is in... and if Jones is coming back... can we bench Smyth?

I want to be able to have Petrel on the PK.
I want to give Eager a chance to look like a tough guy on a nightly basis.
I want to win face-offs.
I like Hartikainen's physical game.

Bench Smyth ^^

Looks like you (and many others) get their wish starting tonight.

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Paper weight argument here. Were already a team built like the Habs and we definatley don't have any success with it.

But the answer isn't modelling ourselves after the current Leafs.

Come on.

There are plenty of teams who can & do handle the Habs.

There are plenty of teams who can and do handle the current Oilers.

The solution doesn't lay in the hands of 4rth line guys.
It lays in getting rid of them?

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02-12-2013, 03:26 PM
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It lays in getting rid of them?
Ideally, we never would have signed Hordichuk in the first place. As it is right now getting rid of him would be a first step towards fixing a problem.

Obviously just getting rid of a player doesn't do much for the immediate team.

Still, you have to clear a spot to fill it with something more useful.

I think the thing that bothered me most about Hordichuk was the day after Yak's "contreversial" goal celebration, Hordichuk was the one doing all the pissing around during practice the following day.

IMO...as a vet...he should have been leading the team through intense/focused reps. We didn't need a comedian that day. He failed to see that and instead he made a joke out of practice.

The team has been mostly ****** ever since.

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02-17-2013, 08:38 PM
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Whether we like it or not, the era of having enforcer is gone. They cannot do enough to protect or deter like they did in the past due to the way the game is today.
And the short season amplifies every point you made in your post - teams are treating every game like a playoff game right now.

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I think in a few years the only Enforces will be in the Bob Probert class can play and fight and these types value will be steep to obtain.

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Since being waived the Oilers have 92 shots in two games. Admittedly, Dallas and Colorado have bad shot prevention but still, 92 shots. If this team can get to full health they could cause some real damage against good teams.

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We need Raffi Torres back. At least he can play, and he's a great agitator, at least if he can keep from getting suspended. Not much of a fighter however.

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