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02-11-2013, 10:39 PM
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wrong again.

The only difference would be Fraser McLaren

That is it!
but i think mclaren was carlyle's idea so burke likely would have picked him up too

regardlesss, we get all the same decision making, maybe more forward looking in emphasis, without the blarney blabbering which is good by me

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Any one that beleives they'd be watching the same team if Burke hadn't been fired - needs to wake up.
Anyone that believes they know for certain what kind of team we'd be watching if Burke hadn't been fired needs to go to sleep.

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Connolly and Lombardi...
Burke and Nonis believe in the Coach picking the team!!!!!!

Hence the same result!!!!

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Would Franson have been resigned?
Would Komi still be stuck in press box lol?
Would Stekel be in press box?

Would Kadri/Frattin/Bozak/Reimer or any combination have been traded for Luongo ... I mean the deal was rumored to be all but done before the CBA was signed ...

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Anyone that believes they know for certain what kind of team we'd be watching if Burke hadn't been fired needs to go to sleep.
Bravo


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Would Franson have been resigned?
Would Komi still be stuck in press box lol?
Would Stekel be in press box?

Would Kadri/Frattin/Bozak/Reimer or any combination have been traded for Luongo ... I mean the deal was rumored to be all but done before the CBA was signed ...
Carlyle picks the team bud!

rumors are called rumors for a reason! They MIGHT have truth...

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Anyone that believes they know for certain what kind of team we'd be watching if Burke hadn't been fired needs to go to sleep.
I watched Burkes teams - for 4 years. I'll never forget.

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02-11-2013, 10:44 PM
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I watched Burkes teams - for 4 years. I'll never forget.
u watched JFJ's/Cliff's mess for 2.5 years and Burkes for 1 year actually

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02-11-2013, 10:45 PM
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Burke was the cause of his own downfall, both on and off the ice. It's time to accept this basic truth, and more importantly, responsibility, and move on. The past is just the past. In fact, Brian Burke is dead to me, as he is forgotten.

These Burke threads, articles, and 'pro-Burke' posters are acting like some kind of weak male or female who goes through a painful breakup, and then happily declares that the painful breakup "happened for a reason" and made oneself a better person.

Enough of this already. It's disgusting.

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Was waiting for you to come in here.

The Van Riemsdyk trade is currently making Burke out to be a genious.
thing is, we don't know what role nonis played in that trade

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Wison and JFJ was the cause of the leafs downfall, both on and off the ice. It's time to accept this basic truth, and more importantly, responsibility, and move on.

These Burke threads, articles, and 'pro-Burke' posters are 100% correct.

Enough of this already. Burke is the best.
Fixed!

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Burke and Nonis believe in the Coach picking the team!!!!!!

Hence the same result!!!!
Burke is full of **** , every coach knows exactly which players a GM wants on the team and there's no way he'll go against his bosses wishes . He'll have input but at the end of the day player selection is group decision .

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Burke is full of **** , every coach knows exactly which players a GM wants on the team and there's no way he'll go against his bosses wishes . He'll have input but at the end of the day player selection is group decision .
wrong! if that were true Colton Orr would have never been sent down.

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Burke signed all those players and gave them their shot! Without Burke who knows if they would be in the NHL.
Any random could re-sign players they have, JFJ GOT THEM. And it was Carlyle who is giving them a shot. Burkie liked his buddy Ronnie Wilson who was determined to win with Tim Connolly and Matthew Lombardi over Kadri and Frattin.

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Burke has said a million times he lets his COACH pick the team and so does Nonis.

Carlyle wanted them gone and Burke would of done the same.
Why do teams have General Managers then? I mean of the Coach picks and chooses who he wants - why not just omit the middle man


You're talking about 12M in salarie either sitting in press box/waived/traded in 3 players - thats a bit too much to suggest RC is solely responsible IMO

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I have no doubt that Burke would have supported all of Carlyle's roster decisions and that the Leafs would have an identical record this season if he was still in charge.

The only reason why Burke's attitude got him fired is because Ron Wilson's terrible record as a head coach during Burke's tenure allowed the MLSE Board of Governors to make that gutsy call without facing an overwhelming backlash from the media and the fan base. The MLSE suits knew they could always fall back on four years without playoffs to justify the decision despite the terrible timing of the announcement.

Burke's inexplicable loyalty to Wilson is the only reason why he will not be able to reap what he has sown in Toronto, and it's a damn shame.

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wrong! if that were true Colton Orr would have never been sent down.
If you actually believe a coach would go against his GM's wishes then you really don't have a clue how a team works .

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u watched JFJ's/Cliff's mess for 2.5 years and Burkes for 1 year actually
Very convenient that Burke never gets held accountable for anything bad.
Yet gets all the credit for anything good.
Spin Spin Spin

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Any one that beleives they'd be watching the same team if Burke hadn't been fired - needs to wake up.
YOU are correct!

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Any random could re-sign players they have, JFJ GOT THEM. And it was Carlyle who is giving them a shot. Burkie liked his buddy Ronnie Wilson who was determined to win with Tim Connolly and Matthew Lombardi over Kadri and Frattin.
Thank goodness he did buy time with those guys and let Kadri & Frattin develop under Eakins in the Marlies. We have ruined enough players by throwing them in the fire.

Players who develop under Burkes system and are signed by him holds 10 times the weight of being drafted. Anyone will tell you the easy part is being drafted compared to actually making the show and being signed.

If JFJ had signed them after he drafted them u might have a point...

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Burke has said a million times he lets his COACH pick the team and so does Nonis.

Carlyle wanted them gone and Burke would of done the same.
yeah but if he never put Connolly in waivers he's clearly obligated to play him. Same situation with Lomo - therefore Frattin-Kadri don't play.

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If you actually believe a coach would go against his GM's wishes then you really don't have a clue how a team works .
dude watch the presser of Orr being sent down and then u will understand... Maybe...

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I have no doubt that Burke would have supported all of Carlyle's roster decisions and that the Leafs would have an identical record this season if he was still in charge.

The only reason why Burke's attitude got him fired is because Ron Wilson's terrible record as a head coach during Burke's tenure allowed the MLSE Board of Governors to make that gutsy call without facing an overwhelming backlash from the media and the fan base. The MLSE suits knew they could always fall back on four years without playoffs to justify the decision despite the terrible timing of the announcement.

Burke's inexplicable loyalty to Wilson is the only reason why he will not be able to reap what he has sown in Toronto, and it's a damn shame.
Brain Burke should have fired Wilson long before he did.

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Thank goodness he did buy time with those guys and let Kadri & Frattin develop under Eakins in the Marlies. We have ruined enough players by throwing them in the fire.

Players who develop under Burkes system and are signed by him holds 10 times the weight of being drafted. Anyone will tell you the easy part is being drafted compared to actually making the show and being signed.

If JFJ had signed them after he drafted them u might have a point...
It wasn't a matter of not throwing them to the fire and letting them develop, we had a coach who could not work with the younger players. And Burke was too stupid not to fire him a year earlier.

Jesus it took 19,000 people chanting "Fire Wilson" to give the guy a ****ing hint. Had that not happened, Wilson would probably still be here.

And no, actually drafting the players is the most important part - not signing them after they are in the organization. The hard part is the picking of the players, not having them in your system and simply resigning them. Why do you think Burkie made it a point to always credit JFJ for his picks?

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I'm sure there will be a lot of MLSE employees in the building tonight. Who cares??
He's not a real MLSE employee...

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