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02-06-2013, 07:53 PM
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You all have made many good observations about what is wrong. You've made many creative suggestions about how to correct things. I can't imagine that the coaching staff doesn't see what we all see. Why can't they get the players to execute?

I find the one about Lundqvist's inability to handle the puck very telling. Because the Rangers really don't have a puck moving defenseman to make that "breakout" pass, it's unfortunate that Lundqvist can't help out there.

In truth, because he is so bad in handling the puck, the Rangers just need to forget about him aiding their ailing powerplay. How many times have we seen him come out of the net to handle the puck, fail to get back and then get scored on?

And, I fail to understand how professional hockey players just don't get the concept that they need to keep moving. Surely they see how ineffectual the standing around has become. They don't even challenge the defenders to come out of their box.

The passing rather then shooting, whether at even strength or with a man advantage, is mind boggling. One timers can only be made if you have guys that are able to pass to one another. Defenders come out high and challenge the points because the Rangers are scared, tentative and unwilling to make a potential mistake. Why isn't the coaching staff telling them to take the shot. Isn't safe death.

I did some research last night to see if I could see any patterns or trends in Rangers powerplay stats since the last lockout.

Year Place Percentage
05-06 08th 18.9
06-07 08th 18.5
07-08 22nd 16.5
08-09 29th 13.9
09-10 13th 18.3
10-11 18th 16.9
11-12 23rd 15.7
12-13 30th 08.6

Yes, as of last night we were 30th in the powerplay.

Notice that through 05-06 and 06-07, the Rangers were a respectable 8th. Those were the days of Straka Nylander Jagr. Sure, Jagr set up shop on the half boards but Straka and Nylander could move, pass and set up Jagr.

After that line breaks up when Nylander left, the powerplay tanks, ultimately leading to a coaching change.

Torts and Sullivan come in and bring the powerplay back to some respectability but then it has taken a nose dive again.

Now fans are calling for Sullivan to go. Torts is doing a little damage control, saying it's the coaching staffs responsibility to fix the problem.

So far, Torts is doing what Renney did, going to is high priced players, his stars, in a last ditch effort to turn the powerplay around. How long until Torts realizes that they won't turn it around? In a shortened season there is no time to lose.

They didn't last year. Now that we have had an almost complete roster change on the 3/4 lines, the pk is suffering as well.

Torts need to take his speediest kids and let them shoot on the powerplay. Hagelin, Krieder, Gabby, Gilroy, Stepan, Miller, etc. Boyle and Halpern only out there if it's necessary on face offs.

In a shortened season, it's all about special teams.

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It's always about special teams and this Rangers powerplay SURE IS SPECIAL!

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02-07-2013, 12:17 PM
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Torts stifles creativity and puts players in position where they are too afraid to make a mistake...

The guy isn't a great coach and he is really stubborn...it's obvious that the power play was better by leaps and bounds when zuccarello was out there, but he ain't a torts guy so forget that...krieder? Only has the hardest shot on the team..so why would that help on the poweplay?

He sticks with his good ole boys...Richards seems to make a bunch of head scratching plays, and nash turns it over all the time and gets gushed about in every postgame...only certain players on this team get held accountable

Torts is a walking contradiction...

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02-07-2013, 12:27 PM
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this thread shouldn't exist just like our powerplay doesn't

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02-07-2013, 12:39 PM
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Torts stifles creativity and puts players in position where they are too afraid to make a mistake...

The guy isn't a great coach and he is really stubborn...it's obvious that the power play was better by leaps and bounds when zuccarello was out there, but he ain't a torts guy so forget that...krieder? Only has the hardest shot on the team..so why would that help on the poweplay?

He sticks with his good ole boys...Richards seems to make a bunch of head scratching plays, and nash turns it over all the time and gets gushed about in every postgame...only certain players on this team get held accountable

Torts is a walking contradiction...
look newb. dont be comin here and making so much sense. they will attack you. the torts fanboys will come after you hard. beware. be afraid. run away now.

oh, and good post. agree with your take.

the guy plays a boring, grind it out style no matter the personnel. its always the same dump and turn it over stuff 5on5 and feeble power play leading to a team that cannot score goals. even when we are manup, we still play like we are even strength. in fact, our pp gives up a ton of quality chances against !!

torts and sully get by on a stellar pk (last year- not this year so far), stingy, even strength "give up nothing" system and henrik standing on his head.

the list of offensively gifted players who "didnt play 2 way hockey" is long. torts has zero interest in any player who might cherry pick or doesnt back check FIRST. theres no room on a torts team for an offensive guy who isnt a true 2 way player- read a player who plays d first and dumps and chases last.

he stifles offensive creativity by eliminating players who think that way first which leads to a team that looks inept at creating anything other than a stupid cycle and offense generated from a counter punch react only system.

those guys who arrive as scorers eventually find themselves in the dog house and with declining ice time. the perfect torts player is a guy like cally or taylor pyatt. 110 % effort, smart and average skill. those type players excel in the torts system.

a torts team rarely backs up defenders. they look slow, plodding and mechanical. like a boring machine. if a torts team gets behind, they usually dont come back. if they get ahead, they turtle and can give up leads.

we seem to feature 1 first line and 3 third lines pretty much every night. that aint gonna get it done. a team full of checkers wont win alot of games in this nhl.

torts is the problem. hes a clown. hes got to go. period.

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02-07-2013, 12:54 PM
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I feel like this is all obvious stuff and I get really frustrated when people don't see it too ha

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02-10-2013, 05:46 PM
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I feel for our power play to be successful, BR and MDZ have to be split up. Let BR man the 1st unit, MDZ the second. Have Anton Stralman (one or two l's?) on the first unit and either McD or Girardi on the second unit( I want McD there, I want to nurture him more offensively on the PP).

For the first unit, Ryan Callahan should always be in front of the net. One of Gaborik or Nash has to be around the net too to create traffic and help clean up rebounds.

Similar set up for second unit. Have someone sit in front and one of the two wall men help with traffic in front.

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02-10-2013, 06:07 PM
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You all have made many good observations about what is wrong. You've made many creative suggestions about how to correct things. I can't imagine that the coaching staff doesn't see what we all see. Why can't they get the players to execute?

I find the one about Lundqvist's inability to handle the puck very telling. Because the Rangers really don't have a puck moving defenseman to make that "breakout" pass, it's unfortunate that Lundqvist can't help out there.

In truth, because he is so bad in handling the puck, the Rangers just need to forget about him aiding their ailing powerplay. How many times have we seen him come out of the net to handle the puck, fail to get back and then get scored on?

And, I fail to understand how professional hockey players just don't get the concept that they need to keep moving. Surely they see how ineffectual the standing around has become. They don't even challenge the defenders to come out of their box.

The passing rather then shooting, whether at even strength or with a man advantage, is mind boggling. One timers can only be made if you have guys that are able to pass to one another. Defenders come out high and challenge the points because the Rangers are scared, tentative and unwilling to make a potential mistake. Why isn't the coaching staff telling them to take the shot. Isn't safe death.

I did some research last night to see if I could see any patterns or trends in Rangers powerplay stats since the last lockout.

Year Place Percentage
05-06 08th 18.9
06-07 08th 18.5
07-08 22nd 16.5
08-09 29th 13.9
09-10 13th 18.3
10-11 18th 16.9
11-12 23rd 15.7
12-13 30th 08.6

Yes, as of last night we were 30th in the powerplay.

Notice that through 05-06 and 06-07, the Rangers were a respectable 8th. Those were the days of Straka Nylander Jagr. Sure, Jagr set up shop on the half boards but Straka and Nylander could move, pass and set up Jagr.

After that line breaks up when Nylander left, the powerplay tanks, ultimately leading to a coaching change.

Torts and Sullivan come in and bring the powerplay back to some respectability but then it has taken a nose dive again.

Now fans are calling for Sullivan to go. Torts is doing a little damage control, saying it's the coaching staffs responsibility to fix the problem.

So far, Torts is doing what Renney did, going to is high priced players, his stars, in a last ditch effort to turn the powerplay around. How long until Torts realizes that they won't turn it around? In a shortened season there is no time to lose.

They didn't last year. Now that we have had an almost complete roster change on the 3/4 lines, the pk is suffering as well.

Torts need to take his speediest kids and let them shoot on the powerplay. Hagelin, Krieder, Gabby, Gilroy, Stepan, Miller, etc. Boyle and Halpern only out there if it's necessary on face offs.

In a shortened season, it's all about special teams.
Last time it was respectable (09-10) was insanely deceptive.

This was the year that the pp was incredible near the beginning of the year but trailed off considerably....

Anyone remember the pp combo of Del Zotto and Kotalik. Kotalik sucked 5 on 5 but once he left our PP tanked, which brings us back to one of the biggest problems of the PP - a lack of a point shot.

I agree with that poster above about splitting Richards and Del Zotto - or get Richards off the point. Both are QBs...we only need one. What we need is a rocket of a point shot on with one of them. It makes it much harder when there's a guy on the point that if you don't cover him, he'll launch it bottom corner. It also opens up space down low.

Also a new PP coach would not hurt either...this team has too much talent to be near the bottom.

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02-11-2013, 12:10 PM
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Anyone remember the pp combo of Del Zotto and Kotalik. Kotalik sucked 5 on 5 but once he left our PP tanked, which brings us back to one of the biggest problems of the PP - a lack of a point

What we need is a rocket of a point shot on with one of them. It makes it much harder when there's a guy on the point that if you don't cover him, he'll launch it bottom corner.

-this is krieder

Get him in space..half wall or up top

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A big shot from the point doesn't do us much good if it's hitting the shins of the defenders. The PP needs creativity. I think a RH one-timer threat would be great, but if they continue to aimlessly pass the puck around the perimeter, no shooter is going to make it effective.

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02-11-2013, 12:32 PM
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Unit 1

Cally in front of the net
Miller on the right half boards
Kreider on the left half boards (open for the big shot)
Richards on the right point
Stralman on the left point

Cally in front is obvious
Miller seems to have some creativity and can make nice passes, ready for rebound to bounce out
Kreider on the right side open for the pass from Richards and Miller
Richards gives Miller support behind him, passing lane to Kreider
Stralman not afraid to shoot and can sometimes carry in

Just a thought by no means am I a powerplay expert

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02-11-2013, 12:48 PM
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1. Break out of our own end in the flying V
2. ????
3. Profit... I mean score

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Islanders are 3 for 3 on the PP tonight.

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A big shot from the point doesn't do us much good if it's hitting the shins of the defenders. The PP needs creativity. I think a RH one-timer threat would be great, but if they continue to aimlessly pass the puck around the perimeter, no shooter is going to make it effective.
this is actually very overlooked. i rarely, if ever, see the rangers do a one-timer.

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The PP is easily the most frustrating part about watching this team. How is it that you can control the puck and dominate in the offensive zone 5-on-5 against Tampa and then you get rid of one of their players and it turns into the freakin' ice capades? It's the same plays and same crap over and over and over.

I'm done with it. Throw Richards, Gaborik, Nash, Callahan, and Del Zotto out there... tell them they're playing the whole two minutes... and go 100% run-and-gun. No setup... no system... just do whatever the hell you want. How could it possibly be worse than 8%?

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1. Break out of our own end in the flying V
2. ????
3. Profit... I mean score

our flying v would probably end up like this

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our flying v would probably end up like this
Toss a too many men in there and that pretty much nails it

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the pp is easily the most frustrating part about watching this team. How is it that you can control the puck and dominate in the offensive zone 5-on-5 against tampa and then you get rid of one of their players and it turns into the freakin' ice capades? It's the same plays and same crap over and over and over.

I'm done with it. Throw richards, gaborik, nash, callahan, and del zotto out there... Tell them they're playing the whole two minutes... And go 100% run-and-gun. No setup... No system... Just do whatever the hell you want. How could it possibly be worse than 8%?
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Oh... obviously I've thought of that... but pictured below would be me if I was on the coaching staff at this point



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1. Break out of our own end in the flying V
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3. Profit... I mean score
Why the **** not? Can't be any worse than whatever we are doing now.

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Wasn't Del Zotto supposed to be the guy who gets the puck up the ice and makes a decent breakout pass? He seems to have the basic tools for it...if he can get over the mental hurdles. Seems his confidence is all over the place, which really affects his game.

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Wasn't Del Zotto supposed to be the guy who gets the puck up the ice and makes a decent breakout pass? He seems to have the basic tools for it...if he can get over the mental hurdles. Seems his confidence is all over the place, which really affects his game.
Hard for the kid to run the show when Brad Richards is supposed to be out there running the show.

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Wasn't Del Zotto supposed to be the guy who gets the puck up the ice and makes a decent breakout pass? He seems to have the basic tools for it...if he can get over the mental hurdles. Seems his confidence is all over the place, which really affects his game.
he skates in mudd. hes rather slow and that doesnt work on the pp when you are delivering the mail. his passing is high end, hard to argue that but the rest is so-so.

in addition, hes um... not the most cerebral dmen on the roster.

i still like stralman better in that spot. problem is, mike is a torts guy. for now anyway.

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PP is now running at a 9.1% clip. Are you ****ing kidding me? The failures of the PP are going to cost us a lot of points this year. Even an average unit would make us a deadly team.

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^agreed. The PP is the only thing holding this team back from being among the elite in the EAST. I really think once Richards comes back from his prolonged vacation the PP will be better. Guy is a step behind.

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