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02-12-2013, 11:50 AM
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Everyone has their own definition of the 'right way'. So I don't think there's anything to it.

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so....is this going to work? play the right way and win enough to make the playoffs and because they play right playoff success with follow?
This year? No, too big a hole IMO. Next year? I guess we will see but that has to be the plan.

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02-12-2013, 11:54 AM
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Agreed - it seems everyone thinks their way is the right way. It's why we do what we do and say what we say. Yet rarely agree lol.

Myself included.

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02-12-2013, 12:09 PM
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This year? No, too big a hole IMO. Next year? I guess we will see but that has to be the plan.
well...see. there you go. this year no. maybe next year, yes, but if this year is no, then we want the management fired and they are going to hve their own right way and want their own coach and.....

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02-12-2013, 12:09 PM
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A hockey team that was very very close to making it to the ECF last season is not a bad hockey team.
Except this isnt that team. Minus a LOT of players

Semin, Wideman, Vokoun, Knuble to name a few.

I appreciate that the Caps won a round, but the were "as close" to losing round 1 as they were "as close" to making the ECF. That silly "close" argument goes both ways here.

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02-12-2013, 12:19 PM
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A. It's pretty clear he wants purrutu to stop taking stupid penalties.

2. Its pretty clear he's talking about the team starting to execute his system...though not consistently.

"The right way" isn't some coded message. It's just lazy speech.

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02-12-2013, 12:21 PM
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Except this isnt that team. Minus a LOT of players

Semin, Wideman, Vokoun, Knuble to name a few.

I appreciate that the Caps won a round, but the were "as close" to losing round 1 as they were "as close" to making the ECF. That silly "close" argument goes both ways here.
Haha, hold on a minute.

Wideman - everyone here agreed how atrocious he was.
Vokoun - had a horrible season last year, and Holtby was marvelous in the playoffs
Knuble - Old man Knubs, I mean dude doesn't have the legs anymore

Only person of worth that left was Semin. And Ribs makes up for it. Like tx said, its a wash.

Its the same damn team overall.

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02-12-2013, 12:23 PM
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A hockey team that was very very close to making it to the ECF last season is not a bad hockey team.
Conversely, a team with this record- terrible at gf, terrible at ga -is not a good hockey team.

WHICH TEAM IS THE IMPOSTER? !?!?!?!?

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02-12-2013, 12:24 PM
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so, oates is quoated in katie's piece on perruttu that he wants to see him play the right way. "its not about production. its about playing the right way."

after numerous recent losses oates said, that they didnt win, but they played the right way.

now we have it. with boudreau, the caps won. they won a lot, but we saw the umberger like complaint that they played the wrong way. now, here we have oates. calm and level headed instead of bouncy and emotional. he says the caps need to play the right way. playing right is more important than production and more important than winning a given game.

so....is this going to work? play the right way and win enough to make the playoffs and because they play right playoff success with follow?

Don't take this the wrong way, but have you posted so many times that your shift key broke? Because I find your posts very difficult to read with the way the sentences all run together, and I would like to read more of what you have to say since you're clearly a passionate and devoted Caps fan.

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02-12-2013, 12:24 PM
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Haha, hold on a minute.

Wideman - everyone here agreed how atrocious he was.
Vokoun - had a horrible season last year, and Holtby was marvelous in the playoffs
Knuble - Old man Knubs, I mean dude doesn't have the legs anymore

Only person of worth that left was Semin. And Ribs makes up for it. Like tx said, its a wash.

Its the same damn team overall.
Its not. We as fans love to ride people out of town. But the players that left all are playing (well) with other teams now. Wideman was our best D-man the first half of the year.

Its not the same team. You replaced the above players with Joe Crabb, Wojtek Wolski, and Jack Hillen.

NOT THE SAME.

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Its not. We as fans love to ride people out of town. But the players that left all are playing (well) with other teams now. Wideman was our best D-man the first half of the year.

Its not the same team. You replaced the above players with Joe Crabb, Wojtek Wolski, and Jack Hillen.

NOT THE SAME.
Wideman blew.

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Wideman blew.
The words to describe Wideman's performance last spring do not exist.

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The words to describe Wideman's performance last spring do not exist.
Terrible? Frustrating? Nauseating?

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So, since 2001, no team has made the playoffs with more than 35 regulation losses.

That projects to 20 regulation losses this season.

We lose 13 of the next 36 in regulation, and that's curtains.

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Except this isnt that team. Minus a LOT of players

Semin, Wideman, Vokoun, Knuble to name a few.

I appreciate that the Caps won a round, but the were "as close" to losing round 1 as they were "as close" to making the ECF. That silly "close" argument goes both ways here.
vokoun had no influence on the caps playoffs. he didnt play. knuble was on the 4th line. he did make a play on the series winning goal, but he played very limited minutes.

as for being as close to losing as winning the first round. thats often the case in the playoffs, is it not? also are not playoff series against the conference #1 seeds generally rare won in less than a long series?

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Terrible? Frustrating? Nauseating?
Sub-Sloanian

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Its the same damn team overall.
Broken down Knuble is still > Crabb. Small potatoes, of course. It would be close to the same with Laich and Orlov I guess.

Carlson may be the individual bellwether for this club. If he continues to be terrible they have no shot at making a run. ****ing Hadeed.

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So, since 2001, no team has made the playoffs with more than 35 regulation losses.

That projects to 20 regulation losses this season.

We lose 13 of the next 36 in regulation, and that's curtains.
yup. gonna tough.

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Broken down Knuble is still > Crabb. Small potatoes, of course. It would be close to the same with Laich and Orlov I guess.

Carlson may be the individual bellwether for this club. If he continues to be terrible they have no shot at making a run. ****ing Hadeed.
agree on carlson. its going to be hard with him being this way. were he to play "the right way" the caps might go on a run, though.

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Its not. We as fans love to ride people out of town. But the players that left all are playing (well) with other teams now. Wideman was our best D-man the first half of the year.
So basically McPhee can't win by either adding or subtracting Wideman?

Come on man you can't have it both ways...

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Carlson is progressing about how I expected. Flashes of offense, running around on defense. I projected him hitting more, but was wrong. Sarge may pass him on the physicality chart.

Carlson is a fat cat and may have little incentive to give 2 ***** about anything for many years. While he may regret the hadeedness, it probably helped him during the lean years.

I may have to lower my long term expectations of him.

I remember arguing who is or will be better defensively, Carlson or Green. And offensively too. If Wilson is scoring a ton being on a great Plymouth team, maybe Green did the same under Bruce. He is but a 10 goal guy now.

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A. It's pretty clear he wants purrutu to stop taking stupid penalties.

2. Its pretty clear he's talking about the team starting to execute his system...though not consistently.

"The right way" isn't some coded message. It's just lazy speech.
Yes. It obviously just means executing the system, a system which Oates unsurprisingly sees as the "right way" to play hockey.

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What about the second half of last season where he was at a 50 goal pace? Each time we've implemented a new system it's taken him half the season to adapt. I'm saying towards the end of this season we should be doing better, and if we stop changing systems all the time maybe we can finally take that second half and extend it to a full season and beyond.
Short windows of his old form only further highlight what he's lost. When he's back in form for a full season he's REALLY back, not some short span of time followed by more malaise this season.

My bigger point is that the system doesn't make Ovy fumble the puck or suddenly begin whiffing on 80% of his shots. You'd be hard pressed to find a bigger Ovy fan than me, but skapegoating 3 years worth of regression on system changes is simply letting the player slide with no accountability. I get it...fans are willing to forgive (if not completely ignore a lot), but come on...

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vokoun had no influence on the caps playoffs. he didnt play. knuble was on the 4th line. he did make a play on the series winning goal, but he played very limited minutes.

as for being as close to losing as winning the first round. thats often the case in the playoffs, is it not? also are not playoff series against the conference #1 seeds generally rare won in less than a long series?
Come on.

You guys all have your heads in the sand.

So many excuses for all of this, its silly. These same players that everyone are now disparaging, were all brought in by the same GM.

It's almost like you all want to pat George on the back for getting rid of his own problems (players)....and now that we are left with this wreck of a team, its still "an ECF calibre squad".

Right. ECF.

Something the Caps havent sniffed in 15 years. But its still ECF calibre. How you people cant see the absurdity of these claims is mind boggling.

There are more apologists on this board than ever.

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So basically McPhee can't win by either adding or subtracting Wideman?

Come on man you can't have it both ways...
Thats the point, Millhaus.

You applaud George for getting rid of the very stinking players he brought in. If thats not having it both ways, I dont know what is?

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