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02-12-2013, 08:30 AM
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Funny you mention that because when they aren't winning you don't hear from them.
I still lurk regardless, flyers are my 2nd fav team

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I don't know if I am overacting or not but I am starting to get really concerned with Claude's play. I watch or go to every game and what concerns me most is that he is having trouble making the basic plays (e.g. Passes are off, missing net or open teammates, failing to make the easy clear). At first I thought he was just pressing too much but I am not too sure anymore. Something is off and I hope it is just a funk.

I didn't think the loss of Jagr was that big of a deal but maybe it was. Giroux has no room to operate, especially on power play, he is just swarmed immediately every time he gets the puck and he hasn't been making the plays to counter attack the pursuit. maybe that I the biggest factor of Jagrs loss? he allowed giroux room to operate.

I guess my point is that giroux is gonna have trouble replicating last seasons performance until he has a winger that other teams Dmen have to respect (or fear). maybe correy Perry or bobby Ryan is the answer. Because without Jagr i don't think Simmonds, voracek, or even Hartnell compliment giroux good enough...

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Flyers really need to utilize Jake more I think. Put him on the G line and have him hold the puck more on the PP. He has the same skills handling the puck as G plus he has the size. I think if they tell him to carry the puck, Giroux can adjust his game to get to the open areas more and his game will open up. Right now they are forcing Giroux the puck when hes already swarmed. The only times the PP looked dangerous recently is when Timonen gave Voracek the puck on the other side... he has 10x more room and can walk right into the middle for a shot. Do this for a while and G will be more open.

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02-12-2013, 11:27 AM
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I saw an interview with Jim Lynum and Barkley and Barkley said that the true mark of a superstar comes in the year when teams really focus on you as the go to guy. After last year's phenomenal year I think now teams have really keyed on G especially since he lacks support. He's going to have to adjust even further if he wants to really establish himself as elite...so far he is getting frustrated. I'm pretty sure he'll break out of it but he does need some help.

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I can't remember, but who were Giroux's linemates two years ago when he had that 76 point season? Was it Carter?

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I can't remember, but who were Giroux's linemates two years ago when he had that 76 point season? Was it Carter?
Yeah, Carter and somebody else who I have forgotten.

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Yeah, Carter and somebody else who I have forgotten.
looks like they played with a combo of JVR/Powe/Zherdev/Nodl

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looks like they played with a combo of JVR/Powe/Zherdev/Nodl
From LeftWingLock:

CLAUDE GIROUX JEFF CARTER DARROLL POWE 5.32%
JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK JEFF CARTER CLAUDE GIROUX 4.23%
NIKOLAY ZHERDEV JEFF CARTER CLAUDE GIROUX 4.05%
CLAUDE GIROUX JEFF CARTER ANDREAS NODL 2.48%
CLAUDE GIROUX MIKE RICHARDS ANDREAS NODL 1.89%
JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK CLAUDE GIROUX NIKOLAY ZHERDEV 1.47%
SCOTT HARTNELL JEFF CARTER CLAUDE GIROUX 1.42%
NIKOLAY ZHERDEV DARROLL POWE CLAUDE GIROUX 0.78%
CLAUDE GIROUX JEFF CARTER MIKE RICHARDS 0.72%

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02-12-2013, 01:52 PM
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when Hartnell comes back, lines should be

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Briere - Schenn
Read - Couturier - Knuble
Fedotenko - Talbot - McGinn/Rinaldo/Sestito

This team desperately needs a guy like Corey Perry though, and I'm leaning towards wanting to buyout Briere to make it happen. imagine this for next season;

Voracek - Giroux - Perry
Hartnell - Schenn - Read
Simmonds - Couturier - McGinn
Talbot - Laughton - Rinaldo/Sestito

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CLAUDE GIROUX JEFF CARTER DARROLL POWE 5.32%
JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK JEFF CARTER CLAUDE GIROUX 4.23%
NIKOLAY ZHERDEV JEFF CARTER CLAUDE GIROUX 4.05%
CLAUDE GIROUX JEFF CARTER ANDREAS NODL 2.48%
CLAUDE GIROUX MIKE RICHARDS ANDREAS NODL 1.89%
JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK CLAUDE GIROUX NIKOLAY ZHERDEV 1.47%
SCOTT HARTNELL JEFF CARTER CLAUDE GIROUX 1.42%
NIKOLAY ZHERDEV DARROLL POWE CLAUDE GIROUX 0.78%
CLAUDE GIROUX JEFF CARTER MIKE RICHARDS 0.72%
Can't believe Powe and Nodl played so much with Giroux although I understand the checking role....

G needs a Leino type (at least when he was with the Flyers and complementing Briere)

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Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Voracek - Giroux - Perry
Yeah these lines are more complementary. Jake needs to be more consistent though. He isn't as dynamic as last year. Shows flashes but he is not up to speed yet...

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FORWARDS
Jakub Voracek ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Corey Perry ($7.800m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Tye McGinn ($0.775m)

DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Mark Streit ($3.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Al Montoya ($0.925m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Chris Pronger ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,389,167; BONUSES: $3,012,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,923,333

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Can't believe Powe and Nodl played so much with Giroux although I understand the checking role....

G needs a Leino type (at least when he was with the Flyers and complementing Briere)
I remember Powe and Nodl moving up and down the lineup all year.

Now that I look at that list I recall we expected JVR to make the line with Carter and Giroux beastly as hell...but that didn't pan out.

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I remember Powe and Nodl moving up and down the lineup all year.

Now that I look at that list I recall we expected JVR to make the line with Carter and Giroux beastly as hell...but that didn't pan out.
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If you look at his linemates from the last two years he has produced with just about anyone and everyone. He actually had more PPG last year when Jagr was out of the lineup, I think he misses Hartnell more, that and that in the last 3 games about 4 of his perfect passes have been fluffed.

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It's a typical slump: a combination of bad luck, losing linemates due to injury, not finding the right balance between shooting and passing which results in lack of confidence and not feeling comfortable out there.

A player of his calibre should be able to score with any linemates. It's not like Simmonds, Briere are scrubs either. G needs to continue working hard and just enjoy playing and the goals will come.

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Giroux was most happiest playing with Jags and vice versa....no coincidence IMO as far a productivity.

Briere and Leino enjoyed playing together as well.....Leino quickly became irrelevent after he went for the benjamins so he could support his shoe addiction and Briere has been mediocre since Leino's departure...

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I continue to be frustrated with Roo s play. I mean something has to be wrong.

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Should of gave it to kimmo. Remember when guys wore the C who weren't the best player on the team? It obviously puts pressure on you to perform on the scoresheet

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Seriously.

That should be the flyers motto

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It just doesn't make sense. It's not like we're seeing him do the same things but get frustrated, he's an entirely different player. Pucks are bouncing off him where they'd usually stick. Passes are getting blocked where they'd usually land perfectly. He's shooting even less than he did before. Where's our Giroux gone?!

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It just doesn't make sense. It's not like we're seeing him do the same things but get frustrated, he's an entirely different player. Pucks are bouncing off him where they'd usually stick. Passes are getting blocked where they'd usually land perfectly. He's shooting even less than he did before. Where's our Giroux gone?!
Some shifts he's wearing #10 and other times he's wearing #24.

Honestly, both Giroux and Couturier so far look sluggish and not as quick.

It'll come back. Patience.

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I wonder if Giroux's wrist surgery has to do with his slump... he lacks the "soft hands" right now.

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Can't believe Powe and Nodl played so much with Giroux although I understand the checking role....

G needs a Leino type (at least when he was with the Flyers and complementing Briere)
Leino was a setup guy for Briere's sniping ability, as was Prospal for the short time he was here. Briere plays his best with a playmaker.

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I remember Powe and Nodl moving up and down the lineup all year.

Now that I look at that list I recall we expected JVR to make the line with Carter and Giroux beastly as hell...but that didn't pan out.
I recall several games where JvR, Carter, and Zherdev were absolutely untouchable in the offensive zone with speed, size, and danglitis. Now that it's been brought up, I'm sure Giroux got plenty of shifts in there too.

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I wonder if Giroux's wrist surgery has to do with his slump... he lacks the "soft hands" right now.

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