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02-12-2013, 12:24 PM
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Semin gets the classic russian attitude rep. Yet you're still talking about a guy that can get 1pt/gp, possibly hit 40G. Those insiders get their info from the same guys that whined to the media, it's not like it's the opinion of 40 different people, it's all based off from the same guy, Matt Bradley, that sounded more bitter than anything else. He also criticized Boudreau by saying he was giving the star players too much ice time, to which Boudreau replied ''Oh yeah?..well that's his opinion''.
In a nutshell, Bradley says that he's disappointed by Semin because he feel he has the talent to be the best player in the league but apparently doesn't care to become one. And again, this is just an opinion. So he's just pissed off because he feels Semin could have given more during a PO run. Boo hoo. The media ran on this.
Oh yea, they also made a huge thing out of Ovi and Semin talking to Kovalchuk (their friend) after a loss. Ya, because God forbid those young guys share a laugh with a friend after a loss..I mean, they should be in the room crying!

Please man, ridiculous.

And why is he not the right piece until the ''ship is righted''?? With all the leaders we have in our room, why wouldn't he be a good piece?? Why would he be a right piece for Carolina but not us??? I don't get it. Makes no sense at all.

As for Armstrong, no I'm not underrating him. He doesn't bring anything any other bottom liner couldn't bring. Darche brought more than him. Armstrong hasn't hurt our team, but he hasn't helped it either. He's useless.
There are people with a lot more history and credibility that called out Semin. You can't isolate it to one player and disect it, the real "insiders" have said that SEmin shows up when he wants and winning is not a big priority for him.

You can't paint all Russians with the same brush, because no 2 of them are the same.

When have I ever said he was the right piece for Carolina? He would be the right piece for Detroit if he was willing to take less money, but he wouldn't.

How is Armstrong useless? He is responsible defensively, shows up every night and kills penalities. He can chip in offense but he's been snakebitten so far(numerous very good cahnces and breakaways with nothing yet to show).

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02-12-2013, 12:44 PM
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There are people with a lot more history and credibility that called out Semin. You can't isolate it to one player and disect it, the real "insiders" have said that SEmin shows up when he wants and winning is not a big priority for him.

You can't paint all Russians with the same brush, because no 2 of them are the same.

When have I ever said he was the right piece for Carolina? He would be the right piece for Detroit if he was willing to take less money, but he wouldn't.

How is Armstrong useless? He is responsible defensively, shows up every night and kills penalities. He can chip in offense but he's been snakebitten so far(numerous very good cahnces and breakaways with nothing yet to show).
you expect your 4t liner to be solid in at least ONE aspect, wether it's forecheck, faceoff, PP or PK specialist, fighting if need be, etc...

Armstrong brings NOTHING of the sort, he isnt a great grinder, doesnt hit that hard, far from great on P.K., doesnt fight, doesnt chip in offensively...

example of 4th liners who are/were doing well (relatively, they're 4th liners afterall), Noke who's solid on FO, Pyatt who was close to perfect defensively, Moen who used to be awesome on the P.K., White who's at least willing to fight, etc

Armstrong ? meh...

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02-12-2013, 01:02 PM
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you expect your 4t liner to be solid in at least ONE aspect, wether it's forecheck, faceoff, PP or PK specialist, fighting if need be, etc...

Armstrong brings NOTHING of the sort, he isnt a great grinder, doesnt hit that hard, far from great on P.K., doesnt fight, doesnt chip in offensively...

example of 4th liners who are/were doing well (relatively, they're 4th liners afterall), Noke who's solid on FO, Pyatt who was close to perfect defensively, Moen who used to be awesome on the P.K., White who's at least willing to fight, etc

Armstrong ? meh...
His offense throughout his career has been above average for a bottom 6 type guy. Prior to this year he had 204 points in 439 career games. I think he has more to give in that aspect but it hasn't come yet.

He has been good defensively and on PK, they have had him out there the last minute of close games.

He isn't a "head hunter" like early in his career but he still takes the body.

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02-12-2013, 01:32 PM
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There are people with a lot more history and credibility that called out Semin. You can't isolate it to one player and disect it, the real "insiders" have said that SEmin shows up when he wants and winning is not a big priority for him.

You can't paint all Russians with the same brush, because no 2 of them are the same.

When have I ever said he was the right piece for Carolina? He would be the right piece for Detroit if he was willing to take less money, but he wouldn't.

How is Armstrong useless? He is responsible defensively, shows up every night and kills penalities. He can chip in offense but he's been snakebitten so far(numerous very good cahnces and breakaways with nothing yet to show).
Who are those people with more history and credibility?? I only know of Bradley's comments and then on the TSN free agency panel where I believe it was Crawford that ridiculously called Semin a ''loser'' ''misfit toy'' and McGuire adding ''the ultimate coach killer''. I know for a fact McGuire was basing his opinion off Bradley's words as he often repeated ''don't take it from me, take it from one of his old teammates, Matt Bradley''..blablabla
Like I said, most of it is over exaggerated and relied on the opinion of one bitter old teammate.

You didn't say he was the right piece for Carolina, but they signed him, so they must obviously feel like he was well worth the''risk''. What was the risk exactly?? You even said you don't think he's a poison, so, again, what do you risk? If he doesn't do well, he goes away next year. We should have been in the bidding right from the start.
Can you imagine, if this guy actually worked out, having him play along side a guy like Galchenyuk and possibly MaxPac in the future? That would have given us a bona fide top line in the NHL. But no, we missed out, big time. That's pretty much what was on the table here.
The upside, you get one of the most skilled player in the NHL, and in possibly just 2 years, maybe one of the best lines in the NHL. The downside, he plays 48games and is gone. Granted, we didn't know it was only going to be half a season this year, but even if it was a full one, well worth the gamble. No brainer.


As for Armstrong, he doesn't do anything. Our PK is average, it's not like he improved our PK. He doesn't even have to play on it. Plek-Moen was our best pair last year when we were #1. Eller was terrific at it too, you could have put Gionta there too as he's very efficient too. Not that Armstrong is bad or making it worse, just that he isn't really needed there. We could do more than well without him, as we did last year. We also have guys like White and Prust that can step in there too.
I certainly hope he is defensively reliable, otherwise he wouldn't be in the NHL. That doesn't mean he's playing well, far from it.
You want your bottom liner to bring something important. I thought we got him because of his grit and physicality, but he hasn't shown any of that this year.
Colby has the ability to make a statement hit in a game, or get under the opponent's skin, pest type player, he hasn't done any of this so far.

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Who are those people with more history and credibility?? I only know of Bradley's comments and then on the TSN free agency panel where I believe it was Crawford that ridiculously called Semin a ''loser'' ''misfit toy'' and McGuire adding ''the ultimate coach killer''. I know for a fact McGuire was basing his opinion off Bradley's words as he often repeated ''don't take it from me, take it from one of his old teammates, Matt Bradley''..blablabla
Like I said, most of it is over exaggerated and relied on the opinion of one bitter old teammate.

You didn't say he was the right piece for Carolina, but they signed him, so they must obviously feel like he was well worth the''risk''. What was the risk exactly?? You even said you don't think he's a poison, so, again, what do you risk? If he doesn't do well, he goes away next year. We should have been in the bidding right from the start.
Can you imagine, if this guy actually worked out, having him play along side a guy like Galchenyuk and possibly MaxPac in the future? That would have given us a bona fide top line in the NHL. But no, we missed out, big time. That's pretty much what was on the table here.
The upside, you get one of the most skilled player in the NHL, and in possibly just 2 years, maybe one of the best lines in the NHL. The downside, he plays 48games and is gone. Granted, we didn't know it was only going to be half a season this year, but even if it was a full one, well worth the gamble. No brainer.


As for Armstrong, he doesn't do anything. Our PK is average, it's not like he improved our PK. He doesn't even have to play on it. Plek-Moen was our best pair last year when we were #1. Eller was terrific at it too, you could have put Gionta there too as he's very efficient too. Not that Armstrong is bad or making it worse, just that he isn't really needed there. We could do more than well without him, as we did last year. We also have guys like White and Prust that can step in there too.
I certainly hope he is defensively reliable, otherwise he wouldn't be in the NHL. That doesn't mean he's playing well, far from it.
You want your bottom liner to bring something important. I thought we got him because of his grit and physicality, but he hasn't shown any of that this year.
Colby has the ability to make a statement hit in a game, or get under the opponent's skin, pest type player, he hasn't done any of this so far.
We couldn't have been in the bidding from the start, we didn't know if Gomez could be "buried" and Subban was a RFA, last summer we couldn't afford a 7 mil cap hit.

I'm tired of arguing about Armstrong. I'm fine with him there except I'd like to see him put up a few points.

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02-12-2013, 01:38 PM
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We couldn't have been in the bidding from the start, we didn't know if Gomez could be "buried" and Subban was a RFA, last summer we couldn't afford a 7 mil cap hit.

I'm tired of arguing about Armstrong. I'm fine with him there except I'd like to see him put up a few points.
In two months from now, Armstrong won't be a Hab's player anymore.

Let's all be patient even if we don't like him.

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We couldn't have been in the bidding from the start, we didn't know if Gomez could be "buried" and Subban was a RFA, last summer we couldn't afford a 7 mil cap hit.

I'm tired of arguing about Armstrong. I'm fine with him there except I'd like to see him put up a few points.
Sure we could have. We could have stayed over the cap all summer long, and with Bergevin's strong stand on PK's low cap hit, no reason to think he couldn't have been in there from the start.
One of the biggest criticism over the years of our management group was them not being proactive. You can sign whoever you want, and then re-adjust.
And you are wrong seeing how Bergevin was apparently interested in Shane Doan who re-signed for 5.3M in Phx, so Bergevin was likely offering over 5.5M.
But again, as I said, if it's because Semin was asking for too much, that's fine. But he said he wasn't interested right from the start.

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Sure we could have. We could have stayed over the cap all summer long, and with Bergevin's strong stand on PK's low cap hit, no reason to think he couldn't have been in there from the start.
One of the biggest criticism over the years of our management group was them not being proactive. You can sign whoever you want, and then re-adjust.
And you are wrong seeing how Bergevin was apparently interested in Shane Doan who re-signed for 5.3M in Phx, so Bergevin was likely offering over 5.5M.
But again, as I said, if it's because Semin was asking for too much, that's fine. But he said he wasn't interested right from the start.
So what would have happened in this scenario?

CBA is as currently is and gets settled in October with 82 game schedule. You sign Semin 1 year 6 mil.
EXCEPT no compliance buyouts and as per CBA you can't "bury" cap hits in the minors. You end up having to either pay somebody to take Gomez(2nd or 1st rounder) or trade a player you don't WANT to move. Makes no sense to spend over the cap until the CBA parameters are known.

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Sure we could have. We could have stayed over the cap all summer long, and with Bergevin's strong stand on PK's low cap hit, no reason to think he couldn't have been in there from the start.
One of the biggest criticism over the years of our management group was them not being proactive. You can sign whoever you want, and then re-adjust.
And you are wrong seeing how Bergevin was apparently interested in Shane Doan who re-signed for 5.3M in Phx, so Bergevin was likely offering over 5.5M.
But again, as I said, if it's because Semin was asking for too much, that's fine. But he said he wasn't interested right from the start.
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He'd look great on our 4th line, but from what a few NYR posters have said, the asking price would be too high.

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He'd look great on our 4th line, but from what a few NYR posters have said, the asking price would be too high.
I think they are just doing the Eller thing, getting him pissed so he plays better. It sure worked for Eller.

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I think they are just doing the Eller thing, getting him pissed so he plays better. It sure worked for Eller.
I disagree. Benching eller was pointless. The rangers actually have the depth to justify the decision.

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He'd look great on our 4th line, but from what a few NYR posters have said, the asking price would be too high.
Asking price for anyone on a team that isn't the official whipping boy is always too much.

He's over 6'2 and not goalie. No use for him...

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Saku seems to have a good start this year..13 points in 9 games +11
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Depth? They have 3 forwards above 0.5 PPGM, has nothing to do with depth. Boyle wasn't playing well so they sat him to light a fire.

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As per Dreger and Mckenzie, O'Reilly is officialy on the block for Eastern Teams. I seriously hope that Bergevin will look into that very hard!

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He suffers from conditional bravery...

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As per Dreger and Mckenzie, O'Reilly is officialy on the block for Eastern Teams. I seriously hope that Bergevin will look into that very hard!
Hopefully. I like Elelr though I hope we can snag O'Rielly without giving Eller up.

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Yeah you want him on your team as well?

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Howson has been fired as per TSN. That's a team that looks like they need some truculence.

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