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02-12-2013, 02:11 PM
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no you're right but most defensive dman dont or arent top pairing guys, they are bottom pairing guys, role players almost to some extent, and these sorts of players though incredibly valuable are much easier to draft and/or acquire in free agency.

Our philisophy has always been about puck movement and puck possession and that all starts from the backend. Getting a guy like Yandle or Green would help so much in more ways then just the PP.

I think if KH was to ever make a big or somewhat big trade it would be for a top pairing offensive dman, young, who is also decent in his own zone.
I think with the seasons Sproul and Oulette are having in the CHL this year, the need for an elite puck mover isn't as pressing as it was during the past offseason. Now we need enough defence to last until they can make the jump to pro hockey. I think the only chance the Wings make a bold move like going after Green or Yandle would require a slump, or another rash of injuries.

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02-12-2013, 02:14 PM
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I think with the seasons Sproul and Oulette are having in the CHL this year, the need for an elite puck mover isn't as pressing as it was during the past offseason. Now we need enough defence to last until they can make the jump to pro hockey. I think the only chance the Wings make a bold move like going after Green or Yandle would require a slump, or another rash of injuries.
though I agree those two look great, they're both at least 3-5 years away from making big meaningful impacts in the NHL.

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02-12-2013, 03:07 PM
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though I agree those two look great, they're both at least 3-5 years away from making big meaningful impacts in the NHL.
Sproul has better #'s than both Doughty and Staal did in the OHL, its unlikely but not impossible that Sproul skips Grand Rapids entirely.

I would say he's max 2-3 years from the NHL, not 5.

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Sproul has better #'s than both Doughty and Staal did in the OHL, its unlikely but not impossible that Sproul skips Grand Rapids entirely.

I would say he's max 2-3 years from the NHL, not 5.
He plays a completely different game from Staal and he is 1 year older then Doughty was when Doughty had his last year of Junior hockey.

Doughty at 20 years old was in the NHL as a rookie, the next year he was on Canada's blueline in the Olympics. I like to pump Sproul as much as the next wings fan but lets keep the projections within reason and to likely comparable.

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02-12-2013, 03:33 PM
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Adding Yandle or Green doesn't really help us outside of helping the power play (which admittedly does need a lot of help). I'd much rather trade Filppula for a defensive defenseman if we're going to trade him.
Green has been Caps best D so far this season, very solid defensively. Statwise and how he's looked on the ice. He's not as physical imo, maybe trying to just stay healthy there and he lacks defensive IQ a little.

Though, he's on ice sv% is 94.6 so it kind of scews his goals against numbers. Ga/60 is over 1 goal less than Caps average.

But anyway, barring rebuild, Caps can't give up on him. And I don't think Caps are going to rebuild.

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Sproul has better #'s than both Doughty and Staal did in the OHL, its unlikely but not impossible that Sproul skips Grand Rapids entirely.

I would say he's max 2-3 years from the NHL, not 5.
There is more to hockey than points especially for Dmen.

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02-12-2013, 03:55 PM
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Sproul has better #'s than both Doughty and Staal did in the OHL, its unlikely but not impossible that Sproul skips Grand Rapids entirely.

I would say he's max 2-3 years from the NHL, not 5.
yah no I can see him being on the team in 2-3 years but we were talking being a meaningful offensive contributer(40 plus pts or what a Yandle/Green could do for us today and each year going forward) and in that regard I think we're talking more in the 3-5 year range.

I mean Smith himself wont contribute like that this year or next, it wont be till the year after(at least)

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There is more to hockey than points especially for Dmen.
yes of course but not when you're talking about offensive dmen, in those talks points and production are very important

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Sproul has better #'s than both Doughty and Staal did in the OHL, its unlikely but not impossible that Sproul skips Grand Rapids entirely.

I would say he's max 2-3 years from the NHL, not 5.
Definitely not a fair comparison.

Regardless
I see Sproul 3-4 years away from the NHL, He'll need quite a bit of time in GR to hone his defensive game. Also our D corps are going to get pretty crowded, he'll have to beat out Ouellet, Lashoff, Backman, Marchenko, and possible Dekeyser to get a spot.

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Rennys boy Ryan whitney unhappy in edm?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...2866--nhl.html

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Rennys boy Ryan whitney unhappy in edm?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...2866--nhl.html
he would set detroit back 5 years

stay away, stay far away

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Whitney has been a sieve in Edmonton this season. He looked alright last year but this season has been a whole new hybrid of bad. Guy's alright but he's been getting beat wide, down low, misplaying routine plays-- depth upgrade, sure, but I'd pass on him unless he was made available for next to nothing.

I'm all for a splash but given the short season, the buyouts potentially this summer that the teams has access too, and how different this year has been in terms of closeness and proximity of games, I just can't see any team wanting our loose ends, even bundled for anything of value.

Yandle and Green are total longshots, especially Yandle. Green hasn't been the same player for multitude of reasons, he won't be a saviour or anything. Still early for buyers and sellers, but if composing a wishlist I'd take a 4-5 steady defensemen to slip in. Douglas Murray has been getting flak lately and has been off in SJ, but there's probably zero probabilty he's moved to us for anything we offer and then some.


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Whitney isn't worth 5 million dollars a year at this point in his career. We would have to re sign him after the year is through and my guess is he would ask at least 4mil for a 3-5 year contract. I would rather see them go after someone like Yandle.

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Absolutely. Hudler is a top-line scoring forward who is above average in his own end. He is beginning his prime, and should have some pretty strong years with Calgary.

BTW, Hudler has as many points as Filppula right now (seven), but Hudler has played six games to Filppula's 12 and Hudler, unlike Filppula, is the best player on his line.

Maybe you should be considering how much Filppula's worth.
Small sample size.

That said, I'd still rather have Hudler than Sammy and Cleary even at 4M for 4 yrs.

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Adding Yandle or Green doesn't really help us outside of helping the power play (which admittedly does need a lot of help). I'd much rather trade Filppula for a defensive defenseman if we're going to trade him.
Yandle has a 59 point season to his credit and would easily be our best offensive defenseman. We have plenty of defensive defensemen, what our attack lacks right now is a premier offensive defenseman and Yandle would be a perfect fit. Pair him with E and our top pairing would be set for a long time. He's only 26 years old.

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Im with the do nothing b/c we are more than one piece away from being legit contenders crowd. Wait until next year, see where the market is at.

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Yandle has a 59 point season to his credit and would easily be our best offensive defenseman. We have plenty of defensive defensemen, what our attack lacks right now is a premier offensive defenseman and Yandle would be a perfect fit. Pair him with E and our top pairing would be set for a long time. He's only 26 years old.
Yandle is too pricey to be a guy that doesn't play on the penalty kill at all. And I really mean AT ALL.

He has less total PK minutes in his NHL career, than Lidström had at last season in his reduced role. 5 million for so one-sided guy without real Norris talent is not a good deal or trade.

I would like to add a great 1st PP quarterback, but not for that price. 1-dimension PP specialist shouldn't be getting more than 3 million.

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Like some have said, I'd rather us be sellers honestly. Either way I don't think our chances improve/are hurt by what we do. I'd rather us improve our future by having everyone available except Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Brunner, Helm, Kronwall, Ericsson, Smith, and Howard. Yes, I know I named a lot of players.
You wouldn't move big rig to improve our future?

I would seriously consider moving Franzen if the deal made sense as well. Same goes for Flip.

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02-12-2013, 06:34 PM
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Yandle has a 59 point season to his credit and would easily be our best offensive defenseman. We have plenty of defensive defensemen, what our attack lacks right now is a premier offensive defenseman and Yandle would be a perfect fit. Pair him with E and our top pairing would be set for a long time. He's only 26 years old.
Yandle is worse than Kronwall.... It would not be set, unless you think Tippett cannot coach d-man and we could get more out of him.

If you think Kronwall is frustrating to watch I suggest you stream a couple of Coyotes games or remember him being the guy getting turnstiled non-stop as Bryz was getting lit up when we played them in the playoffs.

For what it would cost I hope we stay very far away from Yandle. At least Green is a buy low option. The Coyotes are quite clear on what Yandle will be if he hits the market. Another thing Yandle can only play on the left and is actually worse defensively than Mike Green who is a righty.

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Dent the prospect pool and trade for John Carlson. How bad would it be?

Nyquist, Jurco/Frk, Quincey, and Backman ?

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