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02-12-2013, 05:50 PM
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Washington needs a shake up. They are easily headed for a top 3 pick and it seems like backstrom has checked out with green. Move backstrom to toronto for 1st + grabo. This likely solidifies our playoff spot so the 1st will be in the 17 - 20 range (assume 1st round knockout). They get a good second line center and they draft mackinnon/barkov/jones/drouin. If I were them I'd seriously consider doing it. But we are taking a risk because backstrom might amount to nothing more than what grabovski is doing for us now. As a leaf, I rather not do it.
They need a shakeup, not a blow up. Unless there is something I don't know, I dont see why they would move Backstrom. And if they do, why would they move him for Grabovski and a 1st (that will likely be 6-14 range)? They could get a lot better return.

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02-12-2013, 06:03 PM
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Backstrom has more value than any leaf. It'll take more than Grabo and a first to get a career ppg #1 center.

Think Kessal +
Backstrom would not get more then Kessel right now. Two years ago, sure. Not anymore.

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02-12-2013, 06:11 PM
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That's not what you said. You said he was a marginal talent, and I asked you how can a former Norris trophy Dman, and NHL coach not notice this, yet you can??
Ya okay, remember this when he's in the press box.

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02-12-2013, 06:34 PM
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Normally when an NHL player with a few season experience goes down then the team trys to bring him back up he has to go through re-entry waivers.

How come this rule doesn't apply to Connolly and we can just trade him to another team?

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02-12-2013, 06:37 PM
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Normally when an NHL player with a few season experience goes down then the team trys to bring him back up he has to go through re-entry waivers.

How come this rule doesn't apply to Connolly and we can just trade him to another team?
One of the revisions to the CBA nullified re-entry waivers. Once you waive, if they don't get claimed, you don't need to put them on re-entry waivers to recall them.

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02-12-2013, 06:38 PM
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Normally when an NHL player with a few season experience goes down then the team trys to bring him back up he has to go through re-entry waivers.

How come this rule doesn't apply to Connolly and we can just trade him to another team?
I THINK that part of the new CBA was they didn't need to go through waivers to come back up just going down. This was so players didn't get stuck in the AHL because a team was afraid to lose them on the waiver wire. On the other hand I could be wrong.

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02-12-2013, 07:00 PM
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Ya okay, remember this when he's in the press box.
Skirting the question yet again. How come Carlyle doesnt see that he is barely an NHLer, yet you can? Carlyle doesnt know a good d when he sees one?

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02-12-2013, 07:00 PM
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Just starting to read about the cap situation for the coming offseason. Can anyone give rough yrs/value for contracts that the following guys might get this summer?

UFA
Bozak
Macarthur
Kostka
Kadri

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Kadri
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Franson (if he maintains this improvement)
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UFA
Bozak - Faceoff specialist, interim number #1C who likely is a 40 point #3 will likely get 2.5 mill over 3 years
MacArthur will likely be let go but roughly the 2 mill range when he signs with whoever
Kostka - league minimum

RFA
Kadri - inexperienced, Duchene got 3.5 mill after a 55 and 67 point season, if Kadri produces at the same rate hell likely be signed for 2.5-2.75 over 3 or 4 years
Gunnarsson - Hard to gauge, id say around 3 but id expect it to be lower
Franson - Another im not sure but again roughly 2-2.5

None will break the bank, all insignificant signings IMHO (considering the only real asset that we can lose to FA is Bozak).

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02-12-2013, 07:02 PM
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Just starting to read about the cap situation for the coming offseason. Can anyone give rough yrs/value for contracts that the following guys might get this summer?

UFA
Bozak
Macarthur
Kostka
Kadri

RFA
Kadri
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Franson (if he maintains this improvement)
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Bozak - 3 years/10.5 million
MacArthur - 1 year/3 million (if he wants more than one year, say goodbye)
Kostka - 2 years/3 million

Kadri - 3 years/9 million
Gunnarsson - 2 years/6 million
Franson - 2 years/5.5 million

I don't think Nonis goes long term on any of them this summer. Kadri will get his lucrative 5 - 7 year contract eventually, but likely right before his UFA eligible year. I see our RFA's all signing bridge contracts until they hit UFA status. None of our pending UFA's are worth giving long term contracts to. Although Bozak has been our number one centre for three years, it doesn't mean he should make number one centre money.

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02-12-2013, 07:17 PM
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So who can we net or what picks can we get at the deadline for MacA and a d-man?

we have some depth, Lupul will be back around then, Gunnar and Gardiner will push some d-men back soon as well.

Picks? decent forward? What is our need right now?

do we go for a #1 C in a trade if we look good in the standings?(I personally would put Grabo+Gardiner in the trade, Kadri could easily replace grabo IMO).

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02-12-2013, 07:32 PM
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The asking price for O Reilly is a roster player, plus top prospect, according to dreger
Maybe grabovski, who is the top prospect

Morgan Reilly, and Finn are untouchable IMO

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The asking price for O Reilly is a roster player, plus top prospect, according to dreger
Maybe grabovski, who is the top prospect

Morgan Reilly, and Finn are untouchable IMO
If I'm the Avs I'm wanting a winger or dman, not an expensive center.

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02-12-2013, 07:36 PM
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The asking price for O Reilly is a roster player, plus top prospect, according to dreger
Maybe grabovski, who is the top prospect

Morgan Reilly, and Finn are untouchable IMO
I would do Bozak + Gardiner, only because we have Rielly and Finn in the system. If we were light in the defense department there is no way I would let Gardiner go, but O'Reilly is the type of centre we need.

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If I'm the Avs I'm wanting a winger or dman, not an expensive center.
Who would it be
Fan of Grabo, but I will be willing to part him

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I would do Bozak + Gardiner, only because we have Rielly and Finn in the system. If we were light in the defense department there is no way I would let Gardiner go, but O'Reilly is the type of centre we need.
No way I give up Gardiner either

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02-12-2013, 07:44 PM
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Please acquire O'Reilly, Nonis.

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02-12-2013, 07:48 PM
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What's with this fascination with O'Reilly?

He's a good player, But I can't see him being the proper #1 center that we're looking for.

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What's with this fascination with O'Reilly?

He's a good player, But I can't see him being the proper #1 center that we're looking for.
I agree

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02-12-2013, 07:51 PM
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Who would it be
Fan of Grabo, but I will be willing to part him
Id be perfectly fine with it being Grabo, but like I said I can't seem them being interested. Honestly not sure who they'd want man. I could see them asking for 1 of Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Kadri, Frattin in the deal, but those pieces are too valuable to us (even though it would be O'Reilly+ for some of those players). Not sure if they'd be interested in Kulemin or Bozie as part of the deal. I could see them asking for Gards.

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What's with this fascination with O'Reilly?

He's a good player, But I can't see him being the proper #1 center that we're looking for.
He's a great #2 centre, but we have two of those in Grabo and Kadri.

Deal Grabo for someone, bump Bozak to the 3rd line(great at faceoffs etc.)

We need to go all in for a #1 C, not half-way in for a solid #2 guy.

why not trade for duchene if all it is is adding another pick or prospect?

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What's with this fascination with O'Reilly?
20 year old defensive first center with offensive ability. Think Backes, Bergeron, etc.. not quite at their level yet though. Likely going to be a Selke finalist a few times in his career. He'd work great on our top line imo.

Anyways.. Grabo would not be the roster player going back (although I do think he will be shipped out of Toronto eventually).. if they wanted a 5.5mil center they could just sign ROR for that, but they don't want to do that.

MacArthur + Finn/Percy would be my offer. But I think they would rather a dman as the roster player..

Edit: to those saying OReilly isn't the guy for our top line. Our wingers are so good that we don't need that franchise centerman. OReilly would bring elite defensive ability to Kessel's line. Think Bozak but much more rounded.

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I would do Bozak + Gardiner, only because we have Rielly and Finn in the system. If we were light in the defense department there is no way I would let Gardiner go, but O'Reilly is the type of centre we need.
I agree. He would play 20+ minutes a game under Carlyle.

His defensive awareness is through the roof and his offence is not too shabby.

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What's with this fascination with O'Reilly?

He's a good player, But I can't see him being the proper #1 center that we're looking for.
Not sure what you mean by "proper #1 centre".

I think Kessel would benefit the most from a two-way centre who is good along the boards and in front of the net. Kessel is a puck possession player, he doesn't need a playmaker on his line to have success. What he does need is a centre who can cover up for him defensively and go to the places he won't in the offensive zone. I think O'Reilly fits this role perfectly, plus he is extremely young and has offensive upside. What's not to like?

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He's a great #2 centre, but we have two of those in Grabo and Kadri.

Deal Grabo for someone, bump Bozak to the 3rd line(great at faceoffs etc.)

We need to go all in for a #1 C, not half-way in for a solid #2 guy.

why not trade for duchene if all it is is adding another pick or prospect?
Duchene would cost far far far more. He has been our best player this season, and with Stastny a UFA next year, the O'Reilly situation, he is untouchable. No chance he gets moved.

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What's with this fascination with O'Reilly?

He's a good player, But I can't see him being the proper #1 center that we're looking for.
I wouldnt pay an insane price, but if the price isn't horrible then I'd love for us to get him. Personally I think he'd be great for Kessel. We don't need an offensive dynamo at center on that line. We basically need a better version of Bozak, which I think O'Reilly is gonna be. Someone that can win draws, be defensively responsible, get Kess and Lupes/JVR the puck and go to the net.

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