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02-12-2013, 09:25 AM
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wonder what the Jackets would want from the Hawks
I'll take "future considerations" in the form of a signed promise to forfeit every game against the Jackets from now 'till 2020.

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02-12-2013, 10:43 AM
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What type of player is Brassard, is he hard in the corner, good defensively and can win one on one battles.

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02-12-2013, 11:44 AM
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Wow is Brassard ever overrated here. For a guy who can't manage to find a top 6 spot for over like 3 years now, the most I'd give is maybe another bottom 6 player and a low draft pick. People will be trading for his potential, which at this point, is running thin. Everyone though Andrei Loktionov was worth wayyyyyy more then he actually was, and was traded for a 5th.

I would do Colin Greening straight up. Maybe a late pick too.

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02-12-2013, 12:01 PM
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Wow is Brassard ever overrated here. For a guy who can't manage to find a top 6 spot for over like 3 years now, the most I'd give is maybe another bottom 6 player and a low draft pick. People will be trading for his potential, which at this point, is running thin. Everyone though Andrei Loktionov was worth wayyyyyy more then he actually was, and was traded for a 5th.

I would do Colin Greening straight up. Maybe a late pick too.
So Columbus gets an older and worse player? Interesting logic.

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02-12-2013, 12:07 PM
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So Columbus gets an older and worse player? Interesting logic.
It's what you get because people are overrating Brassard. Pfft.

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02-12-2013, 12:58 PM
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I think he'd look really good as a Canuck, slotting into that #3C spot behind Kesler. And i recall there being some rumours of Gillis having some interest last year.

But i'm not sure what the Canucks have to offer that would trump other potential offers at this point.

The ideal would be to move a pick/prospect package for Brassard, so as not to dip into the Winger depth for a playoff run this year. But the Canucks don't have much other than various project wingers to offer Columbus. Guys like Rodin/Mallet/Grenier/etc. Jensen is the only real bluechipper and there's zero chance i'd move him for Brassard.

Raymond as an impending UFA doesn't really seem like he'd fit for Columbus.

I'd probably do a Brassard for Schroeder swap, but other Canucks fans would crucify me for suggesting it, because he's 'the next Cliff Ronning' or whatever. And i'm not sure Columbus is in the market for small forwards anyway.

Booth might be a candidate, as he's still a bit questionable as a fit in Vancouver and swapping his salary for Brassard's might give some more flexibility going forward. But it'd be hard to give up the theoretical 'power winger' element, even if it improves depth in the middle.

Personally, i'd move Brendan Gaunce for Brassard straight up. But i don't see Gillis doing that, as he seems quite high on Gaunce's size and potential.

So there's probably just not a good deal there to be made, but it's too bad. Brassard is definitely the sort of guy who would fit well as a more offensive #3C behind Kesler imo.

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02-12-2013, 01:01 PM
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It's what you get because people are overrating Brassard. Pfft.
Indeed. We are being punished for our hubris in assuming that a #2C is a top-6 player.

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02-12-2013, 01:17 PM
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Indeed. We are being punished for our hubris in assuming that a #2C is a top-6 player.
The guy's career high is 47 pts in 10-11 & hasn't scored 20 goals in a season
is that your idea of a second line center?

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02-12-2013, 01:36 PM
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The guy's career high is 47 pts in 10-11 & hasn't scored 20 goals in a season
is that your idea of a second line center?
oh I dream of the days where our 1st line center could get more than 40 points ..

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02-12-2013, 01:50 PM
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Brian Boyle for Brassard straight up. Maybe NYR can ad a pick....

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It's what you get because people are overrating Brassard. Pfft.
I guess we should be thankful that someone said Colin Greening, and not Sergio Momesso or something.

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The guy's career high is 47 pts in 10-11 & hasn't scored 20 goals in a season
is that your idea of a second line center?
Actually, yes. In the current state of the NHL, the average second-line center will post somewhere between 45-55 points in a season. 20 goals is arbitrary, since it assumes that the player is a scoring forward rather than primarily a playmaker (which is what Brassard is). And as a playmaker, he'll be more reliant on his linemates' ability to finish, which he's never really had.

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Brian Boyle for Brassard straight up. Maybe NYR can ad a pick....
Columbus already has the Rangers' 1st-rounder, which is what would be needed to even up the drop in offense from Brassard to Boyle. A player like Boyle would be redundant on the CBJ roster, which has a glut of second- and third-line forwards and not much in the way of actual offense.

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02-12-2013, 03:19 PM
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brass + for Kane would be something i'd be interested in
don't want to sound like an ass but the Jackets have no "+" that would get them Kane

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02-12-2013, 03:23 PM
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The guy's career high is 47 pts in 10-11 & hasn't scored 20 goals in a season
is that your idea of a second line center?
The top 30 scoring centers last year - i.e. those who should ostensibly be the #1Cs in the league - scored points in numbers ranging from 109 to 51.

The year before that, the range was 94 to 56.

The year before that? 112 to 55.

Before that? 113 to 57.

Before that? 106 to 54.

The ranges for centers 31-60 are even more consistent. 51 to 37 in 2011-2012, and then for the next four years counting backward 54 to 37, 55 to 37, 56 to 41, and 54 to 37.

Brassard, who has been fairly consistently above half a point per game throughout his career (with one exception - his sophomore slump year), certainly qualifies as a #2C. Not a high-end one, but a #2C nonetheless.

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i say we con a desperate team at the deadline for another first round pick ...

we end up with 4 first rounders

muahahahahahahahaha ...

( all of which will not pan out and be out of the league within 4 years )

DOH !

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i say we con a desperate team at the deadline for another first round pick ...

we end up with 4 first rounders

muahahahahahahahaha ...

( all of which will not pan out and be out of the league within 4 years )

DOH !
1999 NHL Entry draft. NYI have 4 first round picks

5th overall Tim Connolly - Played 2 seasons with the Isles - Traded
8th overall Taylor Pyatt - Played 1 season with the Isles - Traded
10th overall Branislav Mezei - played 66 games with the Isles - Traded
28th overall KristiŠn Kudroč - played 26 games in the NHL, none of which were for the Isles.


Connoly and Pyatt were traded to the Sabres for Peca.

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The top 30 scoring centers last year - i.e. those who should ostensibly be the #1Cs in the league - scored points in numbers ranging from 109 to 51.

The year before that, the range was 94 to 56.

The year before that? 112 to 55.

Before that? 113 to 57.

Before that? 106 to 54.

The ranges for centers 31-60 are even more consistent. 51 to 37 in 2011-2012, and then for the next four years counting backward 54 to 37, 55 to 37, 56 to 41, and 54 to 37.

Brassard, who has been fairly consistently above half a point per game throughout his career (with one exception - his sophomore slump year), certainly qualifies as a #2C. Not a high-end one, but a #2C nonetheless.
Fair enough-but those totals have a pretty big range & among the top 30 some play for the same team & can't by definition
be number 1c-Det had 3,Sj had 3,bos 3,fla 2& chi 2.The point is there several 2nd liners that you are including as # 1c to make Brassard look a little better than he actually is.Of the top 180 fwds(top6X30 which is a liberal definition of top 6 fwd) Brassard is tied for 133 bottom 1/3 of fwds in scoring.I would like him to play 3rd line center in Vancouver behind Sedin & Kesler & would be prepared to give up --
Your choice Raymond & a 2nd or Schroeder(currently playing 2nd line center) & a 3rd.

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1999 NHL Entry draft. NYI have 4 first round picks

5th overall Tim Connolly - Played 2 seasons with the Isles - Traded
8th overall Taylor Pyatt - Played 1 season with the Isles - Traded
10th overall Branislav Mezei - played 66 games with the Isles - Traded
28th overall KristiŠn Kudroč - played 26 games in the NHL, none of which were for the Isles.


Connoly and Pyatt were traded to the Sabres for Peca.
Pretty sure Milbury was there. 99 being a terrible draft + Milbury = mega failure.

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i cant believe he's already 25 years old... doesnt seem that old lol

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Toews and Kane.
I'll be fine with Hossa if they don't want to trade us Toews/Kane.

Realistically, if Brassard was traded to the Hawks, I wonder if Jacket killer, V. Stalberg would be a must(also, not the center piece). Not because the Blue Jackets think he will help with the rebuild but just to acquire him to stop killing the team.

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Fair enough-but those totals have a pretty big range & among the top 30 some play for the same team & can't by definition
be number 1c-Det had 3,Sj had 3,bos 3,fla 2& chi 2.The point is there several 2nd liners that you are including as # 1c to make Brassard look a little better than he actually is.Of the top 180 fwds(top6X30 which is a liberal definition of top 6 fwd) Brassard is tied for 133 bottom 1/3 of fwds in scoring.I would like him to play 3rd line center in Vancouver behind Sedin & Kesler & would be prepared to give up --
Your choice Raymond & a 2nd or Schroeder(currently playing 2nd line center) & a 3rd.
Of those two deals, the Schroeder one would be preferable, but it's still not ideal. We kind of want someone bigger. We've got small RWs and RW prospects.

That said, I'd probably take it regardless.

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02-12-2013, 08:03 PM
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Wonder if he is more likely to be moved or less likely with a new GM coming in?

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What if the new GM in CBJ wants to make a splash?

Brassard + NYR 1st for ROR?

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Would Joe Colborne + Stuart Percy / Matt Finn + 2nd get it done ?

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What if the new GM in CBJ wants to make a splash?

Brassard + NYR 1st for ROR?
Why would colorado take that deal?
Would CBJ meet ROR's salary demands?

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