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12-17-2003, 09:44 AM
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just saw this list on another board and thought i'd copy the relevant section for canuck fans (myself included). this is from the 1990 draft where we picked nedved 2nd overall. one can only imagine what we could have done if quinn had stayed sober a little longer.

18 Vancouver Shawn Antoski L North Bay Centennials (OHL) 183 3 5 8 599

19 Winnipeg Keith Tkachuk L Malden Catholic H.S. (Mass.) 781 398 363 761 1778

20 New Jersey Martin Brodeur G St.-Hyacinthe Lasers (QMJHL) 665 1 23 24 80

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If you want to look at it that way, Just imagine what Craig Patrick was drinking when he traded Naslund for the infamous Stojanov

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This does not prove anything about Quinn. It shows that the scouting tools are deeply flawed and/or inherently unreliable.

Antoski was projected (by computers, even) to have the greatest chance of being an NHL player of anyone in the first round. He had size, power, and tremendous speed for a big man of that era.

He didn't have NHL offensive confidence, or much in the way of luck.

Too bad, so sad.

When millions are invested in first rounders, that's when the system looks bad, but, really, could it be any different when picking high schoolers?

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12-17-2003, 12:21 PM
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just saw this list on another board and thought i'd copy the relevant section for canuck fans (myself included). this is from the 1990 draft where we picked nedved 2nd overall. one can only imagine what we could have done if quinn had stayed sober a little longer.

18 Vancouver Shawn Antoski L North Bay Centennials (OHL) 183 3 5 8 599

19 Winnipeg Keith Tkachuk L Malden Catholic H.S. (Mass.) 781 398 363 761 1778

20 New Jersey Martin Brodeur G St.-Hyacinthe Lasers (QMJHL) 665 1 23 24 80
It's always easy to make great picks if you have hindsight. I was at that draft as it was held here in Vancouver. Quinn admitted that Neved was his second choice, but his first choice Owen Nolan was chosen 1st overall by Quebec. Jagr was considered to have the most upside, but word was out that he had to spend a minimum of 2 years in the Czech army before he could leave for North America & that the Czech government also wanted a large cash settlement if & when they agreed to release him. Quebec, Vancouver, Detroit & Philli were all desperate to get whom ever they drafted onto the NHL team ASAP so all passed on Jagr. Neved was definately the Vancouver fan's favourite choice due to his defection to North America & because he was tearing up the WHL playing for Seattle. Antoski was chosen because he was considered an excellent power forward prospect on the lines of Neely. Jiri Slegr, our 2nd round pick was chosen first because he he was a very good defenseman prospect and second because he was a fellow countryman & friend of Nedved's.

Nedved, Antoski & Slegr were all good picks as all played in the NHL for over 180 games or more. Sure you can say Tkachuk or Brodeur in hindsight would have been better picks, but Tkachuk came out of a small US Catholic High School when the U.S. wasn't producing a lot of NHL players period & Broduer was not the first goalie, but the 2nd goalie picked that draft (Calgary drafted Trevor Kidd at the #11 spot) & both goalie picks raised a lot of eyebrows as picking a goalie was considered a poor use of a #1 pick at the time. If you want to critisize Quinn for drafting Antoski over Tkachuk or Brodeur at the #18 spot, what about the Isles - Scott Scissons #6, Washington - John Slaney #9, Toronto - Drake Berehowsky #10, Montreal - Turner Stevenson #12, Rangers - Mike Stewart #13, Buffalo - Brad May #14, Edmonton - Scott Allison #17. Stewart & Allison did'nt play a single NHL game & Scissons at the #6 spot only played 2 NHL games total. On the other side of the spectrum, every team passed on Doug Weight until the Rangers took him in the middle of the 2nd round, on Vyacheslav Kozlov until Detroit took him in the 3rd round & Sergei Zubov until the Rangers took him at the beginning of the 5th round.

It's all too easy to critisize when you can look back, but in truth the GM's & scouts do a reasonably good job in trying to predict which 18 or 19 year old will mature & make it to the NHL.


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Hidnsight is always 20/20.

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Hidnsight is always 20/20.
Looking backwards don't you mean 02\02?

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20 New Jersey Martin Brodeur G St.-Hyacinthe Lasers (QMJHL) 665 1 23 24 80
Brodeur even had a goal in Junior. And more points than Antoski!

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Brodeur even had a goal in Junior. And more points than Antoski!
I believe those are career totals in the NHL. I have a hard time seeing Antoski as being considered a top prospect at the time if he had 8 points in the OHL.

I also doubt Brodeur played 665 games in juniors.

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Antoski was not projected to be a top prospect. He was picked as a sure bet to make the NHL.

To some degree, the situation is similar to our choice of Kesler in the 2003 draft. There were players with more potential available to us in that draft, but Kesler is a sure bet to find a home in some capacity with the Canucks.

As we Vancouver fans know all too well, sometimes people with elite talent can't work out how to make it all happen in the bigs.

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