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02-12-2013, 02:28 PM
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guys, I love history ...

sorry for sarcasm.

As I know, Gdansk was part of german monarchy/state for many centuries. Or not?
It has been Polish for 706 years, German for 201 years, Prussian for 119 years, Independent City 26 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gdansk

Even though borders shifted, and ruling powers came and went it has always been a Polish majority city.

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What now? Slovenia? That is something new... not really. And again the talk about Russian money. Will they just stop?..

Though the only team I can think of, when I wouldn't mind it being somewhat sponsored by Russian companies is Partizan Belgrade, at least it is in Serbia, and they have a huge arena, which means there is a slight chance that some of that money will return as profit.

So please, Medvedev and Gazprom, stop throwing your(our) money in the wrong direction, ok?
You must be kidding.

HK Partizan Belgrade is on the verge of collapse, just like every other club in Serbia, and there aren't many.

The Belgrade Arena has never been used for hockey and will never be, simply because there is no interest for the sport in Serbia and there is no way it could have a KHL team.

That arena is used primarily for basketball, but only for certain Euroleague matches (about a couple per season). Otherwise, the matches are played in Pionir Hall which is much smaller. The arena also hosts some volleyball, handball and tennis but only when it comes to international competitions such as the FIVB World League or the Davis Cup.

Football (soccer) is the most popular sport in Serbia, yet FK Partizan averages 2.692 fans per match in a stadium with a 32,000 capacity. Imagine what it would be like for ice hockey in which they currently average less than 100 fans.

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02-12-2013, 03:39 PM
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if anybody wants to understand KHL and its problems with WCH schedulling, watch this


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if anybody wants to understand KHL and its problems with WCH schedulling, watch this

Can you translate it in short, please ?

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Gdańsk has applied to join the KHL: http://en.rsport.ru/hockey/20130212/644905808.html
I'm almost sure that Gdansk will play in the KHL, but will they make KHL hockey better?

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Can you translate it in short, please ?
Didn't manage to make it really short, sorry

There were lots of difficulties in making the schedule. We tried different variants and got a schedule when, e. g. Chelabinsk, Magnitogorsk, Kazan would not play in St Petersburgh. The number of matchdays is limited. We stopped on the option when teams play twice with each other, and there are pairs which play twice more.

Conferences and divisions exist the way they did before. The main problem: we should have put 676 matches in this limited calender. Balanced schedule is just a dream now. I am a bit ashamed of the date we finish the regular season – February, 17. Play-offs have to stop April, 19.

We almost insisted to make a WC brake in February, and many European leagues agreed with us. One can object that NHLers would not play, I can say: the IIHF exist to solve problems like this.

Clubs send us papers they cannot play these of those days because arenas are busy with some contests, exhibitions or concerts. The only club we cannot object is Salavat Yulaev – the 19-days break is the Junior WC time. The leader of arena business is SKA. That is why we cannot make balanced scheduler – clubs sometimes have breaks of 15 or 20 days, so we have had to put away matches in these days.

26 clubs of the KHL will play 676 games. 30 clubs of the NHL will play 1230 matches. That is the aim of our league. Let’s look at the NHL schedule: in December Buffalo, Montréal, NY Islanders, Washington, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Florida – all of them will play every second day during the entire month. And the whole schedule is made this way. Results are money, ratings, and fans.

We are the league which flies more than others round the world.

The clubs which will not play in the play-off do not want to play any tournaments after the regular season – they just have no power to play there. At least, managers say so. - no idea of the Cup of Hope that time, I suppose

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"Cup of Hope" at least has a nice, poetic ring to it. I hope Slovan can win it this year.

The stupid ***** aren't showing the crucial Spartak Moscow vs. Slovan game anywhere today -- no TV channel, no official khl.ru broadcast, no nothing. **** them all.

Dear pirates, come to our rescue today as so often before. You're pretty much the only thing left that's dependable in this world.

As to the World Championships, of course they should be moved to February or so, the usual Olympic slot. No WCs in Olympic years. If the NHL doesn't want to participate in WCs, **** them.

Most of all, cancel all these awful international breaks disrupting the KHL season throughout the year. I almost forgot where all my khl.ru bookmarks are, during the 11-13 days of the most recent break. Running the league in this way long-term would be insane. After Sochi, a very different model must be adopted. If that means the KHL would have to break away from the IIHF, why not? Let the Swiss dentist run his small-time regional leagues... The KHL is a project on a far grander scale -- possibly exceeding the IIHF officials' horizon.

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02-12-2013, 11:51 PM
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Thanks for the translation. Interesting that they want to break at the WC. Good idea. Only problem is that your playoffs would start very late (presuably after the WC), teams could lose guys to injuries at the WC then be hurting going into the playoffs... They definitely need to reduce eurotour, extend the regular season by at least 10-20%. WC still a big problem... Maybe move it to summer right before camps start? Push the KHL season to start in line with NHL season, so WC can run in September. There could still be problems there, but I still think its better.

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Only problem is that your playoffs would start very late
I don't think so. It would be the same as the play-offs start now in the NHL in Olympic years. Perfectly OK.

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teams could lose guys to injuries at the WC
So what? Injuries are part of hockey. The same is also true of the Olympic tournament, but no one is suggesting it should be moved to September because of that. Hockey is a winter sport, so the top international event in hockey should take place in a typical winter month. February fits the description 100%. If the NHL prefers to be egoistic and chooses to boycott the WCs (as they have done for decades), that's their choice.

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They definitely need to reduce eurotour
They definitely need to cancel the so-called Eurotour. I haven't even bothered to chech the results from last week. Have there been any results? I think Slovak mainstream media completely ignored the coverage of that event -- that's how important (not!) it is for real Europe, instead of the 4 countries who are arrogant enough to call themselves "Europe".

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new article [in russian] about possible 3 conferences

http://hockey.sport-express.ru/reviews/28662/

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Good interview. 3 conferences would be a reasonable model. There is considerable imballance between the 2 conferences even now, and it would become unbearable if another "Western" team joined the KHL next season. And you just can't push away Torpedo to Eastern Conference.

Oh, and **** Blatter. Anyone see the clear parallels to Fasel? Medvedev was just too nice in the interview, not to mention him by name. All those insular little wealthy folks buried away in Switzerland, trying to sabotage multi-national projects. For goodness' sake, Blatter even opposes video reviews of goals scored. The KHL would do well to become independent of such "bright minds".

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02-13-2013, 02:44 AM
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Good interview. 3 conferences would be a reasonable model. There is considerable imballance between the 2 conferences even now, and it would become unbearable if another "Western" team joined the KHL next season. And you just can't push away Torpedo to Eastern Conference.
They should probably start by either sending Amur to VHL or disbanding the team altogether. It's absolutely irrational that they're in the league. It makes exactly as much sense as expanding with a team from North America (East coast).

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They should probably start by either sending Amur to VHL or disbanding the team altogether. It's absolutely irrational that they're in the league. It makes exactly as much sense as expanding with a team from North America (East coast).
I read your post in another thread today and I have one advice for you - try to understand KHL, it helps. Then you will undertand why is Amur here, etc

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They should probably start by either sending Amur to VHL or disbanding the team altogether. It's absolutely irrational that they're in the league. It makes exactly as much sense as expanding with a team from North America (East coast).
How would you like this? "Let's kick out Dinamo Riga! Dead-last this season, and their arena is half-empty, anyway."

Wake up, man. Ditching the only KHL team that has sold out all of its games this season? No way. Amur needs to stay. It's one of the things that make the KHL unique.

The solution is to find more KHL teams in Amur's (wider) geographical area, so that Amur is not as (relatively) isolated from the other teams as it is now. So, let's get 3 or 4 Far-Eastern KHL teams (do not need to be Russian), instead of getting rid of the only Far-Eastern team. The Alaska idea discussed in another thread may not be as insane as it might seem at first sight, either.

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Ditching the only KHL team that has sold out all of its games this season?
just to add, IIRC since 2008/09

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I read your post in another thread today and I have one advice for you - try to understand KHL, it helps. Then you will undertand why is Amur here, etc
You do realize that your post is essentially pointless? 'Try to understand KHL'? The **** is that supposed to mean? Are we talking about the teachings of Theravada Buddhism here? If you've got something to say, say it.

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You do realize that your post is essentially pointless? 'Try to understand KHL'? The **** is that supposed to mean? Are we talking about the teachings of Theravada Buddhism here? If you've got something to say, say it.
He means you don't know anything about the KHL to suggest to get rid of Amur. These guys sell out every game since the beginning of the KHL. Their fans fly to central Europe in droves, 12 time zones away, to watch their team play. Their organization, despite so many obstacles, is one of if not the most successful ones in the KHL. They are an anchor to a new market for the KHL and are in a region of Russia that is growing. Few teams are as important to the KHL as Amur. Why would you even say this ****?

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How would you like this? "Let's kick out Dinamo Riga! Dead-last this season, and their arena is half-empty, anyway."
I would absolutely love it.

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Wake up, man. Ditching the only KHL team that has sold out all of its games this season?
Take a look at the map. Add up the transportation costs of each team. Subtract the income from tickets. Do you know how much you'll get? It's a small arena, the tickets are cheap. The team is absolutely pointless.

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No way. Amur needs to stay. It's one of the things that make the KHL unique.
It's one of the things that make the KHL an unprofitable ****hole.

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The solution is to find more KHL teams in Amur's (wider) geographical area, so that Amur is not as (relatively) isolated from the other teams as it is now.
Once again, take a look at the map. Any cities you see in the vicinity? Any cities with a hockey following? There's 6 million people in the entire Siberian-Near Pacific region of Russia. There's 0 potential of creating an another team.

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The Alaska idea discussed in another thread may not be as insane as it might seem at first sight, either.

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He means you don't know anything about the KHL to suggest to get rid of Amur. These guys sell out every game since the beginning of the KHL. Their fans fly to central Europe in droves, 12 time zones away, to watch their team play. Their organization, despite so many obstacles, is one of if not the most successful ones in the KHL. They are an anchor to a new market for the KHL and are in a region of Russia that is growing. Few teams are as important to the KHL as Amur. Why would you even say this ****?
Pretty sure I know a lot more about the finances and the politics of the league than you do.

I have no idea about what market are you talking about exactly. Can you elaborate?

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Take a look at the map. Add up the transportation costs of each team. Subtract the income from tickets. Do you know how much you'll get? It's a small arena, the tickets are cheap. The team is absolutely pointless.
They have the most expensive tickets in the league (dwarfing Riga), the highest percentage attendance and one of the smallest budgets. [mod]


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You must be kidding.

HK Partizan Belgrade is on the verge of collapse, just like every other club in Serbia, and there aren't many.

The Belgrade Arena has never been used for hockey and will never be, simply because there is no interest for the sport in Serbia and there is no way it could have a KHL team.

That arena is used primarily for basketball, but only for certain Euroleague matches (about a couple per season). Otherwise, the matches are played in Pionir Hall which is much smaller. The arena also hosts some volleyball, handball and tennis but only when it comes to international competitions such as the FIVB World League or the Davis Cup.

Football (soccer) is the most popular sport in Serbia, yet FK Partizan averages 2.692 fans per match in a stadium with a 32,000 capacity. Imagine what it would be like for ice hockey in which they currently average less than 100 fans.
Nah, the one who's kidding is you, talking about all this stuff is irrelevant to KHL, which is a whole different beast altogether. No interest for sport, hockey? Maybe because there was not enough effort to interest them?

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They have the most expensive tickets in the league (dwarfing Riga)
The cheapest ticket for a Riga game costs about €9, while the most expensive one roughly €85-90. The cheapest ticket for an Amur game costs about €2, the most expensive - €35. So good job on making things up.

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Who cares about the %? If an arena with 1,000 seats would be filled regularly, would you be jumping out of joy?

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Nope. $17m. 17 MILLION DOLLARS. Arena with a capacity of 7000 seats. Population 577k. GDP per capita similar to Turkmenistan or Namibia. Even though there's a big hockey following and the arena is small, the people can only afford to buy relatively cheap tickets. There are no major sponsorship deals. The team is run using government funds. Closest team: 5000km away. 9000km and 10 time zones away from Europe. The team is never going to be profitable with such an enormous budget.


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Tickets



Season tickets



Projected revenue.



And last but not least - average attendance.



So who's making things up?

P.S: Average salary in Khabarovsk - 38500 rubles. Average salary in Riga is about 27000 rubles or 470 LVL. So who's Namibia?


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Not to sound disparaging but is there a link to this raw data?

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