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Ryan O'Reilly Headed to Offer Sheet or Trade? (Part 2)

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02-13-2013, 02:27 PM
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And that makes the article less true because...
There's not even a shred of truth behind it, it's entirely fictitious...

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What about O'Rielly for Gardiner? Or something around that. As a Leafs fan I would absolutely hate losing Gardiner, but it's fair value to fill a need.
Fair value for who? Surely not for Colorado.

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Leafs aren't giving up Gardiner for O'Rielly. If he gets moved, it will be for a more marquee player.
Yes, clearly his John-Michael Liles-type first year in the league is worthy of an elite player coming back.

Best of luck.

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Need an explanation for all the Bozak interest by Avs fans.

I just do not see trading for Bozak. If he is so fond of Colorado, is a UFA, and friends with Stastny, why not wait until the off season?
If the Leafs want to make a trade for RoR, get another piece instead of Bozak.

With RoR coming to town, Bozak will have one more reason to come to the Avs when he's a free agent.
It doesn't make any sense. But he is considered expendable by Leafs fans so many of their posters try to repeat the fantasy proposals enough times, hoping that it magically will come true.

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Its an easy sell with Rielly in the pipeline.
you don't trade away parts of a teams foundation you add to it

Kessel Gardiner Rielly, JVR, possibly Kadri, Frattin are our foundation

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With this situation and Paul Stastny's future cloudy, it's one of those signings you can see coming from a mile away (if the circumstances are right).
The only thing that's keeping Bozak in Toronto is Kessel. If Bozak goes, or Kessel goes...it drastically changes the situation for both players because they are close friends.

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I am a mean sarcastic writer sometimes. Just the way I am, take it or leave it. But I pride myself in being fair.
You would be hard-pressed to find a Jackets fan who would agree, particularly after the Adam Foote debacle.

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you don't trade away parts of a teams foundation you add to it

Kessel Gardiner Rielly, JVR, possibly Kadri, Frattin are our foundation
And that is why it is highly improbable that ROR will ever end up in Toronto.

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One of the few times I actually think the Panthers Would be a good trade partner. We have been discussing it on our own boards and trading kulikov+Howden for O'Reilly seems realistic and benefits both teams especially if weiss is to be traded at the deadline or leaves during FA.
That's the type of trade Mike Milbury used to make.

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Yes, clearly his John-Michael Liles-type first year in the league is worthy of an elite player coming back.

Best of luck.
Reading into things a bit too much?

Obviously if Gardiner gets moved, it's in a package for a more marquee player.

Thanks for the luck.

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Reading into things a bit too much?

Obviously if Gardiner gets moved, it's in a package for a more marquee player.

Thanks for the luck.
Good luck with that.

I would start some Gardiner for Crosby proposals to gauge the level of interest.

I know that another Leafs' poster indicated that Reilly likely will be on the level of Lidstrom earlier on this board, so the Leafs should be set.

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One of the few times I actually think the Panthers Would be a good trade partner. We have been discussing it on our own boards and trading kulikov+Howden for O'Reilly seems realistic and benefits both teams especially if weiss is to be traded at the deadline or leaves during FA.
Finally something that makes sense. Thank you. Gardiner is just way too risky to bet ROR on. Kulikov makes way more sense.

I would probably take that deal but certainly would inquire if there is a remote chance of Bjugstad being available with ROR taking his spot and what we would have to add...

ROR would feel right at hom with all the Ex-Avs playing for you.

@ Pete: stop being bitter about someone offering a proposal that really makes sense for both teams. Don't really think that Isles fans were or would be proposing the trades Millbury made....

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The only thing that's keeping Bozak in Toronto is Kessel. If Bozak goes, or Kessel goes...it drastically changes the situation for both players because they are close friends.
We've heard this thousands of times and rarely does it ever make a difference.

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So does that mean the Leafs can get Landeskog for cheap?

Gardiner is fine now...if he were concussed he wouldn't be playing in the AHL right now.

He's just getting caught up + our D has been good so far so no need to rush him while the Leafs are winning.
We have 2 concussed guys already, we don't need a 3rd. And why would we trade for a AHL bum that can't crack the Leafs roaster? haha. Seriously the last player we traded for that have a past concussion ended up getting concussed again and again for us. We don't need that **** again..

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If you follow Bozak on twitter, based on many of his statements, he has a lot of connections to Denver, and it's not just solely based on his time at DU.

He wouldn't even blink twice, let alone once, at going to Denver if given a good opportunity to do so.
So we can just wait until he becomes a UFA. Why trade for him then?

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And that is why it is highly improbable that ROR will ever end up in Toronto.
The only way ROR ends up in Toronto is if Toronto goes on a huge losing streak, and seriously tank, a lot of players underperform, and Nonis starts panicicking.

A remote possibility, but unlikely for both to happen.

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all dreger said was a roster player and a prospect maybe biggs + Grabo? I know it's a high price but this draft is a deeper then 2011 chances are our 1st rounder will yeild a better prospect to replace biggs.

ROR for Grabo , Biggs and a pick?

New top 9 when healthy

Lupul Bozak Kessel

JVR ROR Kulemin

Frattin Kadri, Komarov

Not perfect but getting better

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all dreger said was a roster player and a prospect maybe biggs + Grabo? I know it's a high price but this draft is a deeper then 2011 chances are our 1st rounder will yeild a better prospect to replace biggs.

ROR for Grabo , Biggs and a pick?

New top 9 when healthy

Lupul Bozak Kessel

JVR ROR Kulemin

Frattin Kadri, Komarov

Not perfect but getting better

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isn't Grabovski a UFA next year...

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Is the template NOT the Kyle Turris trade? The situations are ridiculously similar.

Turris was dealt for David Runbland and a 2nd round pick. Runbland was a middle of the first round pick himself.


Since ROR is a little better and more proven than Kyle Turris was when he was traded, the piece going the other way would have to be a little better and more proven than Runbland was.


Gardiner and a 2nd round pick for ROR is the template for certain. Gardiner is a better, more proven version of Runbland- and he was a middle 1st rounder himself. Not saying the Avs would take that deal, but it's right in the wheelhouse of what is likely something that is considered fair value by most non-biased GM's.

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That's coming from the same reporter (generous term here) that thought that RoR could become a UFA after NEXT season if he didn't sign.

Dater's an idiot. If you go back 2-3 days, you'll get the exact opposite of that article.
Isn't that what he precisely stated in why he wrote the piece?

Please point out what misinformation is in the article for those of us that do not know

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Finally something that makes sense. Thank you. Gardiner is just way too risky to bet ROR on. Kulikov makes way more sense.

I would probably take that deal but certainly would inquire if there is a remote chance of Bjugstad being available with ROR taking his spot and what we would have to add...
Interesting. One player has shown the ability to take over games as a rookie, the other hasn't.

If Leafs didn't have Rielly, Gardiner would be no different from Rielly in the sense that he is immovable.

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all dreger said was a roster player and a prospect maybe biggs + Grabo? I know it's a high price but this draft is a deeper then 2011 chances are our 1st rounder will yeild a better prospect to replace biggs.

ROR for Grabo , Biggs and a pick?

New top 9 when healthy

Lupul Bozak Kessel

JVR ROR Kulemin

Frattin Kadri, Komarov

Not perfect but getting better

Please understand this... please....

The AVS do not want to pay ROR more than around $3.5m.

WHY WOULD THEY ACQUIRE GRABOVSKI WHO MAKES $5.75M!!?!?!??!?!?!??

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Kulemin and Grabovski are good players, but I have a definite concern about their inconsistency.

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Finally something that makes sense. Thank you. Gardiner is just way too risky to bet ROR on. Kulikov makes way more sense.

I would probably take that deal but certainly would inquire if there is a remote chance of Bjugstad being available with ROR taking his spot and what we would have to add...
Makes tremendous sense for the Avs. Certainly not for Florida. Kulikov has a chance to be special. And you want Howden too? Teams do not trade young defenseman like Kulikov unless they're getting something special in return. O'Reilly isnt that guy quite yet and we dont know which way he's going to lean. Will he be a great two way guy who puts up 35 points? Or will he increase his PPG and become a great player? We dont know yet.

And fellow Leaf fans... Please dont try and say Rielly is worth as much as Kulikov. He may end up being but he still has a lot of question marks.

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all dreger said was a roster player and a prospect maybe biggs + Grabo? I know it's a high price but this draft is a deeper then 2011 chances are our 1st rounder will yeild a better prospect to replace biggs.

ROR for Grabo , Biggs and a pick?

New top 9 when healthy

Lupul Bozak Kessel

JVR ROR Kulemin

Frattin Kadri, Komarov

Not perfect but getting better
That just is not a high price. It really is not. ROR would push Bozak to 3rd line center and Avs have no use for Grabo. It would be a spit into every Avs fans face if you trade ROR because you can't get him to sign a contract and than acquire Grabo and his 5.5 M contract.

And Biggs who will top out as a 3rd liner as main prospect in return for ROR? Kind of insulting? Would you like Heard + O'Byrne for Gardiner?
Ya did not think so

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