HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must use the RUMOR prefix in thread title. Proposals must contain the PROPOSAL prefix in the thread title.

[PIT/WPG] Eric Tangradi for a 7th round pick in 2013

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-13-2013, 04:14 PM
  #76
Beukeboom Fan
Registered User
 
Beukeboom Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 13,456
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big McLargehuge View Post
Because he turned 24 this week and still has a high ceiling? Guys like Tangradi don't clear waivers because there's always going to be a team willing to take a no-risk chance on guys of his ilk.

Winnipeg will allow him to play like he needs to - getting regular minutes in the bottom six and not getting benched every time he makes a bad play. Tangradi's problem in Pittsburgh is that the only opening on the line-up was the 2nd line left wing spot, and he's nowhere near good enough for that job at this point in time. He needed to play in the bottom six, but our bottom six is pretty well set in stone and has Joe Vitale as an occasional healthy scratch...so that wasn't an option.
BML - what's the real differnece between waivers and a 7th round DP?

IMO, if Shero had any confidence that ET would turn into a legit NHL'er, he would have moved Cooke up into the top 6, and slotted ET in the bottom 6. Moving him for a 7th round DP is effectively giving him away for next to nothing.

Beukeboom Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:14 PM
  #77
Captain Hook
Olli Määttä
 
Captain Hook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 14,904
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HooliganX2 View Post
With Pitt's lack of winger depth that really tells you something about him though.
We lack depth in top 6 wingers and have too many bottom 6 wingers and that's the problem because the bottom 6 (where there's no room) is where Tangradi needs to start out, play regularly and try to develop into something more over time.

Captain Hook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:14 PM
  #78
Sidney the Kidney
Simmons' Nightmare
 
Sidney the Kidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,568
vCash: 50
Big Dog now going to play with Big Buff.

Sidney the Kidney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:15 PM
  #79
SomeDude
Registered User
 
SomeDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Pittsburghish
Posts: 5,873
vCash: 500
I wasn't as high on him as some other people, but I thought he could get more than a 7th. Tough market, I guess.

He showed flashes of his potential in some pre-season games, but never looked anything other than mediocre during the regular season. At this point, I'd rather hang onto Boychuk as he's shown more signs of being a legitimate NHL player, so I think they made the right call. I think the Pens tried to develop him as a PF due to his size, but he didn't take to it very well. Best of luck to him.

SomeDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:15 PM
  #80
Parise9Crosby87
Registered User
 
Parise9Crosby87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: boca raton florida
Country: United States
Posts: 2,764
vCash: 500
yeah a 7th rounder

Parise9Crosby87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:16 PM
  #81
InfinityIggy
Moderator
No Longer Flammable
 
InfinityIggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
Country: Canada
Posts: 24,104
vCash: 81
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big McLargehuge View Post
Nobody was trying to pass him off as "blue chip" and hasn't been for a while. Tangradi has been involved in just about every trade proposal because we all knew he was on his way out - he's been nothing more than a throw-in.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...859&page=6#132
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...859&page=7#154

You were saying?

I will be fair though. Most Pens fans were much more realistic about his value.

InfinityIggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:16 PM
  #82
TorstenFrings
confirmed pessimist
 
TorstenFrings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bremen
Country: Germany
Posts: 5,863
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by InfinityIggy View Post
A prelude to what? A trade for another winger?
It is a roster/contract spot cleared and he was okay as a 4th liner/13th forward type, not earning half the world and a 7th isn´t THAT much of a can´t miss opportunity. Maybe they just did it to give him a better shot elsewhere, but let me be exited for a couple days.

TorstenFrings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:16 PM
  #83
Honour Over Glory
Registered User
 
Honour Over Glory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: North America
Country: United Kingdom
Posts: 17,539
vCash: 500
Hope he makes Bylsma look like a fool when Noel has him playing in the top 9 and getting proper ice time and direction.

Honour Over Glory is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:17 PM
  #84
domaug*
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Archbald, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,121
vCash: 500
i'm glad they got SOMETHING for him. he never fit in anywhere. i hope he does well in Winnipeg, but i just don't see it happening.


Last edited by piqued: 02-13-2013 at 06:21 PM.
domaug* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:17 PM
  #85
eXile59
Shirts on.
 
eXile59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 18,121
vCash: 500
Bylsma just doesn't evaluate talent well. He couldn't see Tangradi's strengths. Put him on the PP in front of the net & I bet he turns into a decent player. Same way Strait was given a chance & succeeded.

eXile59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:17 PM
  #86
Ewan McGregor*
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 3,410
vCash: 50
another player Pens fans really overrated.

Ewan McGregor* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:17 PM
  #87
Zero Pucks
Size matters
 
Zero Pucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 3,938
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beukeboom Fan View Post
Can you point to some way the Pens screwed ET up? He sure wasn't rushed to the NHL, and he's been around plenty long enough to show the coaches and organization that he's capable of contributing, but that never happened.

Why is that ever prospect that doesn't make it was "****ed" by the team? Why not acknowledge the fact that most prospects don't make it, and he just wasn't able to transition from the AHL game to the NHL game? It's not like big, mean Shero and Bylsma get a bonus for ever prospect they're able to bust like a Drill Sergeant at Basic or a Freshman Phyics professor in an engineering program. It was in the best interest of the Pens to have ET make it, but they don't think that is ever going to happen.

And from my perspective, they know ET 100x better than any poster on the board. They see him work every day in practice, get detailed reports from coaches and training staff, and actually KNOW him on a personal level. They've seen him develop (or not) over the last 4-6 years. Their opinion of him is based on close observation, and not reading someone else's opinion on the internet.

I hope that ET (and all prospects) makes it, but I think it's a HUGE long shot at this point. If a respectable team with a good GM was willing to trade him for a 7th, that's all I need to know.
Seeing how they put Brian Strait on waivers and picked up by Long Island and is now playing lots of minutes as a solid shut down defense-man, shows they might now have the greatest talent assessment in the NHL. Especially when Lovejoy clearly should have been waived or traded over him. At least we got a crappy pick for him.

Also don't forget Strait called out the organization about never getting much of a shot, and always playing with the fear of getting benched every game anytime he made a mistake.

Zero Pucks is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:18 PM
  #88
Jules Winnfield
Registered User
 
Jules Winnfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,241
vCash: 500
Glad to see Tangradi get traded. Bylsma doesn't have the patience to deal with young forwards that don't play the game the way he did.

I'm not saying Tangradi is going to be the next Markus Naslund Pens trade, but I won't be surprised at all if he turns into a serviceable guy that becomes a PP specialist like Holmstrom.

Tangradi's lack of success is more on Bylsma than anyone. Saying he had a shot with Malkin/Neal is a joke. A few minutes a game for 3 or 4 games isn't a shot.

Jules Winnfield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:19 PM
  #89
Sony Eriksson*
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: N. Dallas/NYC
Country: Faroe Islands
Posts: 13,449
vCash: 500
I remember when Tangradi was praised as the next best thing by Pitt. fans or at least HF Pens. fans.

Sony Eriksson* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:19 PM
  #90
Honour Over Glory
Registered User
 
Honour Over Glory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: North America
Country: United Kingdom
Posts: 17,539
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by InfinityIggy View Post
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...859&page=6#132
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...859&page=7#154

You were saying?

I will be fair though. Most Pens fans were much more realistic about his value.
I'm just waiting for the moment Paajarvi is traded for something similar. He went from a "top 6 winger" to a "he's a good 3rd line winger" when you ask Oilers fans. The Pens coaching staff mishandled Tangradi, his value dropped because of that. When an outsider gets more of a top 6 shot than a guy the team has developed from within, it shows you how much confidence they have in him or that they really don't know how to use the kid. To me, it's the latter not the former.

I hope Tangradi makes it look like a massive steal from the Jets point of view. I really do. I am in the group of Pens fans that thinks Bylsma is horrible with handling young forwards and is slowly killing the team's progression.

Honour Over Glory is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:19 PM
  #91
PensFan101
Forever Champions.
 
PensFan101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Owen Sound
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,764
vCash: 500
Tangradi was definitely the victim of high expectations. The Pens haven't developed a top six winger in so long (Malone and then nobody else), a guy with the frame and a junior scorer got hopes up.

But the writing had been on the wall since the start of last season in my mind. Also his inconsistency at the AHL level should speak volumes as to why this trade is happening. Just lacks the hockey sense to be an explosive scorer.

Best of luck to him in the Peg.

PensFan101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:20 PM
  #92
Hurt
Moderator
 
Hurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,758
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewan McGregor View Post
another player Pens fans really overrated.
I don't think just because he was traded for essentially nothing that he is nothing. If used properly, he could still carve out a career. But yeah, he is by no means what we thought he was at one point.

__________________
Toronto.
Hurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:20 PM
  #93
Crisp Breakout
Registered User
 
Crisp Breakout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 5,238
vCash: 500
I always saw a lot similarities between him and Ryan Stoa

Crisp Breakout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:21 PM
  #94
Jules Winnfield
Registered User
 
Jules Winnfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,241
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoGuins8711 View Post
Also don't forget Strait called out the organization about never getting much of a shot, and always playing with the fear of getting benched every game anytime he made a mistake.
That is a real issue with Bylsma.

He has an ultra aggressive brand of hockey and if you as a young player make a mistake, your ass sits on the bench and plays 4 minutes a game or in the box upstairs.

Jules Winnfield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:21 PM
  #95
Honour Over Glory
Registered User
 
Honour Over Glory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: North America
Country: United Kingdom
Posts: 17,539
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewan McGregor View Post
another player Pens fans really overrated.
We also overrated Brian Strait and he's now a top 6 defenseman for the Islanders. Lovejoy as well and he's been doing fine in Anaheim.

Problem isn't us, it's the way the coaching staff handles these players. And for the people that don't know, Bylsma has a huge say in the roster moves, Shero pulls for certain players (he's a huge proponent for why Craig Adams is still here) but it was Bylsma that wanted Despres up and to cut Strait to the AHL and we lost a stud shutdown guy for nothing.

Honour Over Glory is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:22 PM
  #96
BayouCityPen
BTR-ATL Pen
 
BayouCityPen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: LA & GA to TX
Country: United States
Posts: 2,789
vCash: 500
Jesus .... Tangradi didn't show much with the 1st line OR the 4th line. As someone who wanted him to excel, he just didn't bring IT, period. Hopefully he will do better in Winnipeg, but I seriously doubt it.

Like I have always said .... show me what you can do on any line .... even if you're not scoring, which he didn't, show me your tenacity, your forecheck, your skating .... SOMETHING.

That just didn't happen and if they had traded Jeffrey before him, I would have been highly pissed (as if I have some control in the organization.)

BayouCityPen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:22 PM
  #97
Jules Winnfield
Registered User
 
Jules Winnfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,241
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Honour Over Glory View Post

I hope Tangradi makes it look like a massive steal from the Jets point of view. I really do. I am in the group of Pens fans that thinks Bylsma is horrible with handling young forwards and is slowly killing the team's progression.
Bingo.

But hey...if we can switch to a 2 forward, 3 defenseman units then we'll be set!!!

Jules Winnfield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:22 PM
  #98
TorstenFrings
confirmed pessimist
 
TorstenFrings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bremen
Country: Germany
Posts: 5,863
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by InfinityIggy View Post
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...859&page=6#132
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...859&page=7#154

You were saying?

I will be fair though. Most Pens fans were much more realistic about his value.
The first post explicitely states "would not want to trade on of our good prospects for him", so they are undervaluing Iggy but most definitely not trying to pass Tangradi of as a blue chip prospect.

TorstenFrings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:22 PM
  #99
Captain Hook
Olli Määttä
 
Captain Hook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 14,904
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
I don't think just because he was traded for essentially nothing that he is nothing. If used properly, he could still carve out a career. But yeah, he is by no means what we thought he was at one point.
Exactly.

And all fans overrate a lot of their prospects.

Captain Hook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-13-2013, 04:23 PM
  #100
BayouCityPen
BTR-ATL Pen
 
BayouCityPen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: LA & GA to TX
Country: United States
Posts: 2,789
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Honour Over Glory View Post
We also overrated Brian Strait and he's now a top 6 defenseman for the Islanders. Lovejoy as well and he's been doing fine in Anaheim.

Problem isn't us, it's the way the coaching staff handles these players. And for the people that don't know, Bylsma has a huge say in the roster moves, Shero pulls for certain players (he's a huge proponent for why Craig Adams is still here) but it was Bylsma that wanted Despres up and to cut Strait to the AHL and we lost a stud shutdown guy for nothing.
Stud shutdown guy? Really?

No offense to the Islanders, but seriously?

BayouCityPen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:53 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2016 All Rights Reserved.