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02-13-2013, 05:03 AM
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Hmmm... RH-shot..



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02-13-2013, 12:21 PM
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Hmmm... RH-shot..


yeah a 5'6 forward, decent in the swiss league but he wouldnt make it to the nhl.. at least not yet

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02-13-2013, 12:33 PM
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yeah a 5'6 forward, decent in the swiss league but he wouldnt make it to the nhl.. at least not yet
That seem a little bit too small...he would need to be something exceptional.

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02-13-2013, 12:57 PM
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This would be a good example if Brunenr was in 21-23 after that age its historically much more difficult to adapt to a completely different playstyle. At 27 you are already set in your ways and its hard to get rid of flaws in your game.

So again, how many has had successful careers in the NHL after debuting at 27 years of age?
Dude, what is with you. Why are you dogging Brunner just bc hes 27? Are you mad hes not 18?

How many 27 year olds with his skill get looked at by NHL teams?

Players debuting after A26:

1. Matt Anderson just debuted for NJD at age 30
2. Brian Rafalski I believed came in at age 26
3. Literally every soviet union guy, Igor L, Sergei F.


Your logic, or whatever you are trying to say is garbage. Who cares what age a rookie comes into the league at. Brunner was found by Detroit after re-shaping his career. Who are you to dis-credit him for finding his game at a mature age?

Here are some stats for you regarding NHL Rookies and their age...No one is going to argue that majority of NHL rookies debut between ages 18-22, but as you can see, there are plethora of players who have came into this league as rookies, well past Age 22

http://www.quanthockey.com/Distribut...stribution.php

the average NHL age is 22.5, Brunner happens to be 4 years older than the average age. Whopppie

Since 1917-2013, here are the exact number of players who have DEBUTED in the NHL as rookies, with respective ages

Age 25: 477 players
Age 26: 307 players
Age 27: 208 players
Age 28: 134 players
Age 29: 65 players
Age 30: 50 players

stop hating


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02-13-2013, 01:47 PM
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At 27 he's got a good 10 years before age starts it's natural decline for most people. 10 years in the NHL is a lifetime

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Dude, what is with you. Why are you dogging Brunner just bc hes 27? Are you mad hes not 18?

How many 27 year olds with his skill get looked at by NHL teams?

Players debuting after A26:

1. Matt Anderson just debuted for NJD at age 30
2. Brian Rafalski I believed came in at age 26
3. Literally every soviet union guy, Igor L, Sergei F.


Your logic, or whatever you are trying to say is garbage. Who cares what age a rookie comes into the league at. Brunner was found by Detroit after re-shaping his career. Who are you to dis-credit him for finding his game at a mature age?

Here are some stats for you regarding NHL Rookies and their age...No one is going to argue that majority of NHL rookies debut between ages 18-22, but as you can see, there are plethora of players who have came into this league as rookies, well past Age 22

http://www.quanthockey.com/Distribut...stribution.php

the average NHL age is 22.5, Brunner happens to be 4 years older than the average age. Whopppie

Since 1917-2013, here are the exact number of players who have DEBUTED in the NHL as rookies, with respective ages

Age 25: 477 players
Age 26: 307 players
Age 27: 208 players
Age 28: 134 players
Age 29: 65 players
Age 30: 50 players

stop hating
Maybe you should re-read that conversation again before attacking me. I started with defending Brunner as it is uncommon for players to be great when they are older

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02-13-2013, 02:15 PM
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Maybe you should re-read that conversation again before attacking me. I started with defending Brunner as it is uncommon for players to be great when they are older
actually no, you didnt, when you keep asking "how many players this and that are great, blah blah, after A27, how many are rookies, blah blah"

move along w brunner. hes a great 27 year old rookie that will be a great player for years to come

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02-13-2013, 02:26 PM
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Nice 30 minute video about Brunner, Raphael Diaz and Zetterberg at EV Zug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DXd0cGsqRA

Wouldn't mind seeing Diaz as our PP quarterback. He reminds me a lot of Rafalski.

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BTW, EV Zug has been playing great without these NHLrs lately. They have 5 wins, 2 OT losses, 2 SO losses and only 1 regular time loss since Zetterberg, Brunner and Diaz left. Not bad, 4th in the standings. Everybody were saying that they are just a one line team, and they will be killed when these guys will leave. But no, the other guys learned from the best and are now taking some responsibility.
Diaz is at 9 assists in 12 games with the Habs !

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02-13-2013, 02:50 PM
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actually no, you didnt, when you keep asking "how many players this and that are great, blah blah, after A27, how many are rookies, blah blah"

move along w brunner. hes a great 27 year old rookie that will be a great player for years to come
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Tell me about all these other 27 year old debutants who been great in their first season.
My exact response to mindfly who seemed to complain about him.

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02-13-2013, 03:43 PM
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At 27 he's got a good 10 years before age starts it's natural decline for most people. 10 years in the NHL is a lifetime
The typical NHLer peaks at age 25 and starts declining at 26-27.

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02-13-2013, 03:49 PM
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The typical NHLer peaks at age 25 and starts declining at 26-27.
Points wise maybe, but the word 'decline' has a bad connotation when speaking in those terms. There's plenty of really good players who play at a very high level well into their 30's.

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Next late blooming swiss misses to make it big:
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http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11986

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02-13-2013, 04:19 PM
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I could easily see burgler as a top 6 forward on an nhl team, hes had a couple of good seasons with davos, hes a power forward with tremendous skills. Even though he's not dominating the league as brunner was, but still an accurate player. As for berra it might be tougher to earn a number 1 spot in the nhl, hes really good -probably the best goalie in the league- but its a long way for an european goalie to make it to nhl and he's not going to go over there to be a backup

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02-13-2013, 05:04 PM
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This is the next real deal :

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=10902

early bloomer, went through hell, and like the phoenix, was reborn from his ashes.

deeply related to the topic of the thread

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02-13-2013, 05:23 PM
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I could easily see burgler as a top 6 forward on an nhl team, hes had a couple of good seasons with davos, hes a power forward with tremendous skills. Even though he's not dominating the league as brunner was, but still an accurate player. As for berra it might be tougher to earn a number 1 spot in the nhl, hes really good -probably the best goalie in the league- but its a long way for an european goalie to make it to nhl and he's not going to go over there to be a backup
Berra had one awesome season... He's the best goaltender in swiss but i dont think he would be more than a backup here. Same like burgler, good in davos but no chance in a scoring line in the nhl. And i hope cunti is a joke @ torero

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02-13-2013, 05:33 PM
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And what about Simon Moser?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=15163

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02-13-2013, 05:37 PM
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Maybe 😁personaly i like him. He got the size and skill to success in NA

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02-13-2013, 05:45 PM
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Maybe 😁personaly i like him. He got the size and skill to success in NA
Yeah, he's had a good season last year but that knee injury at the WC kind of slowed him down.. He came back great though, should get invited to an NHL camp in september.
Denis Hollenstein also has some potential, though smaller..

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I could easily see burgler as a top 6 forward on an nhl team, hes had a couple of good seasons with davos, hes a power forward with tremendous skills. Even though he's not dominating the league as brunner was, but still an accurate player. As for berra it might be tougher to earn a number 1 spot in the nhl, hes really good -probably the best goalie in the league- but its a long way for an european goalie to make it to nhl and he's not going to go over there to be a backup
I saw both guys as 18 years olds back in 05 or whatever.
Berra looked like a young Patrick Roy. Big and quick.
And Burgler was the only Swiss forward who had the speed to get in on the speedy and tough US defense,.

Then again, I'm still waiting for Freddie Pettersson to crack the NHL Loved that kid.

Oh well, Nathan Gerbe's success is fun to see.

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I saw both guys as 18 years olds back in 05 or whatever.
Berra looked like a young Patrick Roy. Big and quick.
And Burgler was the only Swiss forward who had the speed to get in on the speedy and tough US defense,.

Then again, I'm still waiting for Freddie Pettersson to crack the NHL Loved that kid.

Oh well, Nathan Gerbe's success is fun to see.
Bürgler sure has the potential to be an NHLer, but i'm not sure he's willing to go oversea and give up his life in Switzerland..

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The typical NHLer peaks at age 25 and starts declining at 26-27.
Do you have data to back this claim up?

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Do you have data to back this claim up?
I've seen the data on this in either the History of Hockey or By The Numbers forum. Wish I could find a link.

But as Heaton said, it is decline in terms of point production, not overall play.

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I've seen the data on this in either the History of Hockey or By The Numbers forum. Wish I could find a link.

But as Heaton said, it is decline in terms of point production, not overall play.
Young stars are expected to score. By 27 they need to play both ends. Look at Modano. He sacrificed many points to play under Hitchcock's defensive system and be a complete player.

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To bring this thread back to the titled player, what is the news about resigning Brunner? As a Jackets fan I would love to dream about signing him to give us at least one guy who can score.

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To bring this thread back to the titled player, what is the news about resigning Brunner? As a Jackets fan I would love to dream about signing him to give us at least one guy who can score.
No news yet, I'd guess there won't be speculation until the end of the season. I think something around 2 years and $5 million would be good. He can score but that's about all he can do right now until if or when he starts improving his game in their own end.

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