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Columbus has some pricey contracts. Wisniewski. Tyutin. Johnson. Umberger. Dubinsky. It won't be easy to move that money without taking back money. Anisimov is due a new contract. JD had Larry Pleau and Doug Armstrong as his GMs in St. Louis. Two experienced GMs. They negotiated the contracts too. Jarmo is an excellent hire. Ottawa and St. Louis. However Jarmo has strictly a scouting background. The draft is important for Columbus. They have 3 #1s in June. Jarmo has been tied up with running the team in Finland. Usually he would have seen all of the draft eligibles more than a few times by this date. He has also been in Europe for the last 3 years so he hasn't seen any of the high school or USHL players. Oshie,Schwartz and Cole came from there. Jarmo likes the US college bound kids. He hasn't seen the CHL kids either.

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Columbus has some pricey contracts. Wisniewski. Tyutin. Johnson. Umberger. Dubinsky. It won't be easy to move that money without taking back money. Anisimov is due a new contract. JD had Larry Pleau and Doug Armstrong as his GMs in St. Louis. Two experienced GMs. They negotiated the contracts too. Jarmo is an excellent hire. Ottawa and St. Louis. However Jarmo has strictly a scouting background. The draft is important for Columbus. They have 3 #1s in June. Jarmo has been tied up with running the team in Finland. Usually he would have seen all of the draft eligibles more than a few times by this date. He has also been in Europe for the last 3 years so he hasn't seen any of the high school or USHL players. Oshie,Schwartz and Cole came from there. Jarmo likes the US college bound kids. He hasn't seen the CHL kids either.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of those contracts and players headed out by seasons end. I think JD will want to put his stamp on the team and they have too many offensive defensemen.

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People ask themselves how on earth New Jersey Devils can be so good year after year after year.

For several years people have counted them out the last 9 years almost, but I can basically not think of one time that they have dumped a vet to get younger players. They are regulary bring in vets like Sykora or the likes, or when people thought they would crash and burn they invested heavily in the present in someone like Danius Zubrus. Nobody believed much in them before the PO's last season, but they gave up picks and prospects for Zidlicky who was their nr 1 D in a run that got them to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Detroit seems to finally have hit a rut, but for a long time people said that nobody could compare with them because they had Z, Dats and co instantly take over after their old guard. But NJD certainly didn't have that. Brodeur hasn't been good since like 06', he has been a product of his team as much as anyone the last handful of years atleast.

They are just trying to be as good as possible every year. How many other teams in the East can you say that about this season? A single one? Boston? Pittsburgh? 2-3? If that. We are certainly not in that mode. Slats are holding those 2nd and 3rd rounders or Christian Thomas's thight.

Who is doing the right thing? Who would have played in the Stanley Cup Finals last season if we would have given up a 2nd to get Zidlicky and like a couple of more assets like that to get say a Jason Arnott and Steve Bernier to give us a 4th line?

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The Rangers don't take on money or term in trades. Even in the Nash deal,Sather made a point of mentioning the money matched up in the trade. Sather has taken on term once since the 2005 CBA. Nash. Before that it was Jagr. Zidlicky had another year on his contract. The Rangers don't do that. The Devils fourth line was a waiver pick in Carter. Bernier was on an AHL contract. He didn't get a NHL contract until mid season. Gionta was brought up at the end of the season. None of those players were on the roster to start the season. They acquired the tall can Ponikarovsky from Carolina for a pick.

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I posted this on the main boards': Devils taking over Atlantic, thread. Figured I'd share it here for amusement.

The long part was in response to some cocky statement.

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No. The Devils lost 5 games. If you think the point distribution is more indicative, then that's fine, be ignorant. The fact still remains the three teams have 5 losses. And the Devils only have one more win, in more games played.

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No... The Devils are 8-2-3, Penguins are 8-5-0 and the Rangers are 7-5-0. OT points are awarded because you DIDNT lose in regulation, they are not 'superficial'. Want to think of it a different way? Devils are playing at 1.46 pts/gm, Penguins at 1.23 pts/gm and the Rangers 1.17 pts/gm.
"Rangers have won one Stanley Cup since WWII"

The Rangers and Devils have far more in common then either fan base is willing to admit.

The Rangers, were established in 1926, based on the success hockey displayed in New York the year prior with the Americans.

The Rangers were put together originally by Conn Smythe, but Lester Patrick took over before any games were played, and Lester finished piecing the team together.

The Rangers found instant success in popularity, and on the ice. They "stole" the Amerk's fans, not unwarranted. The Amerks didn't have the class top to bottom in the organization that the Rangers displayed. The Amerks were neck deep in ties to organized crime, and their players weren't very classy, either. The organization could be compared to the Philadelphia Flyers in the 70's, except, the Flyers were at least classy off the ice, and the Amerks were not successful on the ice, either.

The Rangers had a great hockey mind at the helm in Lester Patrick. They developed players correctly. They had a system for development. Despite contending against Canadian teams that could poach all the talent they wanted at the time. With rights in their surroundings.

The Rangers won 3 Stanley Cups in a 12 year span. And went to 3 other Cup Finals. That's 6 Stanley Cup Finals appearances in 12 years.

And before someone attempts to chime in with the six team league fallacy, please, read some history. The league had 12 active teams in 1928. And the size of the league fluctuated throughout history.

Does this yet sound familiar?

The Devils didn't have instant success, but when Lou Lamoriello, a great hockey mind, was appointed president of the club in 1987, he started to plant the seeds that would grow into the 90's and early 2000's Devils success.

The Devils put a solid development system in place. They started to become successful.

The Devils won 3 Stanley Cups in a 9 year span. Sound familiar?

After the Rangers won in 1940, they along with many US teams lost many of their players to the war effort. Believe what you want, but the second World War took a huge toll on American hockey. New York and New Jersey offered up a lot of soldiers. The Rangers struggled to find an identity after the great teams they had from 26-40.

In 1950, 10 years after their last Cup Finals visit and victory, they faced the Red Wings in the Finals, and lost 4-3.

Sound familiar? After the Devils success from 94-2003, they struggled to find a new identity. Just as the Rangers lost greats like Frank Boucher, Bill and Fred Cook, Ivan Johnson, Ott Heller, Bryan Hextall, Lynn Patrick, and Lester. The Devils lost players like Stevens, Niedermayer, Rafalski, and others.

9 years after their last Stanley Cup Finals visit, and victory, they reached the Stanley Cup Finals in 2012, and lost 4-2. Familiar?

The Rangers again, struggled to build a new identity, even though they had some greats come along, like Bathgate and Howell. Finally they began to build a new core with Rod Gilbert, Vic Hadfield, Jean Ratelle, Brad Park...and the Rangers became a force. Unfortunately they had to deal with another team just north in Boston that built a core surrounding Orr and Esposito.

The Rangers reached the Stanley Cup Finals two times in the 70's. Once after a big trade with the Bruins that saw Ratelle and Park ship north for Esposito.

The Rangers were contenders at points in the 80's.

In the early 90's the Rangers were contenders. Winning the President's Trophy in 91-92. And finally wining the Cup in 1994.

Like the Rangers did in in 1968, moving from their original home, Madison Square Garden III to Madison Square Garden IV. The Devils moved from their original home, in the Meadowlands, to Newark in 2007.

The future has not been written yet, for either team.

But I would be VERY careful how cocky you act right now. Because if the Devils ever went into a funk, as long as other teams with richer histories then the Devils have, such as the Rangers, Leafs, Bruins, Black Hawks, and Montreal Canadiens, I would not bet my mortgage that they will still be in New Jersey.

Every organization that has been around longer than your Devils, have had their shining moments and their awful moments. What you current Devils fans know, is that your team somewhat recently had their shining moments. If i were you I'd pray that they don't fall off like any of the "Original Six" ("Surviving Six from pre-expansion era" would be more accurate) because if they do, don't expect to be taking trains to Newark to watch them when they come out of it, some one else in another city most likely will be.

Let's see how you act when you've learned some humility. Even the Islanders won 4 consecutive Cups. The Oilers won 5 Cups in 7 years.

The Canadiens won 22 Cups from 1926 to 1993. Since 93? 20 years. No Finals appearances.

Humility.

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Zidlicky asked to be traded to New Jersey. Well, maybe not exactly...But when a player out of the clear blue sky says to a reporter that he would waive his NTC to go to NJ and Dreger reports that, that is pretty much what is happening.

So Minnesota was in a bit of bind. You have a player with a NTC who is unhappy and asks to be traded to a specific team...I'm not sure Minnesota had much of choice and I'm not sure any other team was able to be in on it.

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People ask themselves how on earth New Jersey Devils can be so good year after year after year.

For several years people have counted them out the last 9 years almost, but I can basically not think of one time that they have dumped a vet to get younger players. They are regulary bring in vets like Sykora or the likes, or when people thought they would crash and burn they invested heavily in the present in someone like Danius Zubrus. Nobody believed much in them before the PO's last season, but they gave up picks and prospects for Zidlicky who was their nr 1 D in a run that got them to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Detroit seems to finally have hit a rut, but for a long time people said that nobody could compare with them because they had Z, Dats and co instantly take over after their old guard. But NJD certainly didn't have that. Brodeur hasn't been good since like 06', he has been a product of his team as much as anyone the last handful of years atleast.

They are just trying to be as good as possible every year. How many other teams in the East can you say that about this season? A single one? Boston? Pittsburgh? 2-3? If that. We are certainly not in that mode. Slats are holding those 2nd and 3rd rounders or Christian Thomas's thight.

Who is doing the right thing? Who would have played in the Stanley Cup Finals last season if we would have given up a 2nd to get Zidlicky and like a couple of more assets like that to get say a Jason Arnott and Steve Bernier to give us a 4th line?
Right or wrong, the Rangers have also done everything they could in most of their existence, to put a winning team on the ice. The only difference is that too often the players didn't work, for what ever reason.

There is no way anyone could possibly accuse the Rangers of not trying to put the best possible team on the ice.

The Stanley Cup is fetching. As is any championship.

Look above.

Teams go through their periods of success and periods of failure.

A bounce here, and a bounce there, and the Rangers have way more then 4 Cup banners hanging in the rafters. A bounce here and a bounce there, and there are no banners.

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Right or wrong, the Rangers have also done everything they could in most of their existence, to put a winning team on the ice. The only difference is that too often the players didn't work, for what ever reason.

There is no way anyone could possibly accuse the Rangers of not trying to put the best possible team on the ice.

The Stanley Cup is fetching. As is any championship.

Look above.

Teams go through their periods of success and periods of failure.

A bounce here, and a bounce there, and the Rangers have way more then 4 Cup banners hanging in the rafters. A bounce here and a bounce there, and there are no banners.
And you really didn't even get into the draft rules which pretty much meant that any player within a 150 (I think it was 150) miles of your arena was yours first if you wanted them, which really favored Canadian teams for quite a few years.

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I posted this on the main boards': Devils taking over Atlantic, thread. Figured I'd share it here for amusement.

The long part was in response to some cocky statement.
It's true and eventually the Devils will fall off and find themselves either a middling or bottom dwelling franchise. It happens to everyone. They are fortunate to have a legacy of good ownership, development and coaching. It won't last forever though.

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It's true and eventually the Devils will fall off and find themselves either a middling or bottom dwelling franchise. It happens to everyone. They are fortunate to have a legacy of good ownership, development and coaching. It won't last forever though.
Yeah.

And I was making the point that there are a lot of parallels with the two organizations.

And that it's not wise to act cocky when you are on top, because eventually you'll bottom out, and then what? It's how life works.

That fan base has serious issues. No one from another fan base can attempt an educated discussion without the inferiority complex coming out.

I wonder how they act in school, assuming most of those posters are in grade school based on how they act over there, when their history professor talks about, say, the Civil War for example.

"**** you teacher, for explaining history to me, how dare you insult my intelligence!"

Oh well. Last time I try to engage in any sort of real conversation with them.

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People ask themselves how on earth New Jersey Devils can be so good year after year after year.

For several years people have counted them out the last 9 years almost, but I can basically not think of one time that they have dumped a vet to get younger players. They are regulary bring in vets like Sykora or the likes, or when people thought they would crash and burn they invested heavily in the present in someone like Danius Zubrus. Nobody believed much in them before the PO's last season, but they gave up picks and prospects for Zidlicky who was their nr 1 D in a run that got them to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Detroit seems to finally have hit a rut, but for a long time people said that nobody could compare with them because they had Z, Dats and co instantly take over after their old guard. But NJD certainly didn't have that. Brodeur hasn't been good since like 06', he has been a product of his team as much as anyone the last handful of years atleast.

They are just trying to be as good as possible every year. How many other teams in the East can you say that about this season? A single one? Boston? Pittsburgh? 2-3? If that. We are certainly not in that mode. Slats are holding those 2nd and 3rd rounders or Christian Thomas's thight.

Who is doing the right thing? Who would have played in the Stanley Cup Finals last season if we would have given up a 2nd to get Zidlicky and like a couple of more assets like that to get say a Jason Arnott and Steve Bernier to give us a 4th line?
You can't compare the team and systems like that one way and not the other.

The devils have been developing players for years, much longer than us. during those dark years, where we dumped anyone and everyone that had value in our system for a big name, they were winning and developing and bringing in guys to supplement there system.

The rangers JUST started doing this since the last lockout. They are no reaping the benefits. They traded a LOT to get nash. A 1st round pick and a highly valued prospect d-man.

They have been making smart/shrewd moves as an organization. Honestly, last year, i felt we peaked earlier than i expected. This was the first year i thought we would be true contenders. The rangers are built to compete for a long time and by continuously developing guys like miller, mcilrath, thomas, etc in our system for years before joining the team, that will make us a lasting powerhouse, hopefully like the devils have been.

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Kids the face of the franchise, and he knows it. He's in a terrible situation though considering management isn't even going to attempt to be a contender until the move to Brooklyn.

It's really a tragedy the way the Islanders are run as a whole. Garth Snow is such a ****ing puppet.
I wish there was a way to get that guy here (Tavares). I'd give up a bunch.

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I certainly wouldn't trade spots with the Devils, I think they are doing extremely well because they should be bottom 3 but are instead top 3.

We have built in one direction since 2004 -- nine years -- and are after nine years of rebuilding a contender. I don't think NJD are a real contender.

But I definitely think a org or two out there could really think through what they are doing.

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Pens cleaning house.

Ferreiro, Strait, Lovejoy, Tangradi all gone. Anyone else?

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Ferreiro, Strait, Lovejoy, Tangradi all gone. Anyone else?
A 7th? Really thought that kid had potential. Just completely fell off the map. Decided using his body wasn't important.

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Ferreiro, Strait, Lovejoy, Tangradi all gone. Anyone else?
Wow. All he was worth in the end was a 7th round pick? And they had this guy on their roster, sometimes playing with Crosby and Malkin!

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A 7th? Really thought that kid had potential. Just completely fell off the map. Decided using his body wasn't important.
Yep, he was their next great power forward to pair with Crosby or Malkin. He just never got his skating up to snuff.

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JETS' KANE SAYS CRITICISM TOWARD HIM IS RACIALLY MOTIVATED

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People do seem to really hate on Subban and Kane though...two of the most talented blacks in the NHL. Although everyone loves Simmonds.

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People do seem to really hate on Subban and Kane though...two of the most talented blacks in the NHL. Although everyone loves Simmonds.
maybe it has to do with the two of them constantly coming off as arrogant ****s

while simmonds couldn't seem nicer

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Yet he plays the race card. What an idiot. I hope his career tanks.

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maybe it has to do with the two of them constantly coming off as arrogant ****s

while simmonds couldn't seem nicer
I don't know, I think the Toronto media has heavily inflated Subban's negative public image. And if people are pissed about Kane's $ tweet from Vegas, then so be it. Not like it's worse than the players crying about Bettman's salary or about the owners cheating them out of $.

I'm gonna stop before this turns into a racial debate though.

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Going to the wings game. pretty excited tbh.

Go Blues +1.5

EDIT: I'm feeling under 5.5 total goals scored. Yay or nay?

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he would have been a good option for the powerplay... i always liked this player. very underrated.

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