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02-10-2013, 05:42 PM
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Didn't I already qualify for the CWC? Three teams ahead of me in the league finished ahead of me in the NC. I'm in fourth of the remaining NC teams. Fakeballers would have to pass a team in front of me to knock me out. I think....?
Looks like that's accurate. Although the Fakeballers finished ahead of you in the NC, so it'd have to be someone along the lines of redcard taking away a ChL spot from Arlington or the High Headerz. Corona has clinched a top 5 spot and is only 3 points away from clinching a top 4 spot. It does look like things may get a little interesting in 5th-7th though.

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I added a CD prospect today. He's tied for lowest OR on my team currently. However, if the qualities in chat are accurate, then he'll become my top EQ player. I have some CD prospects that I can probably sell now as well, so that should help recoup some of the funds spent.

I'm still looking for an impact forward, but they seem to be going for just out of my budget. I do expect to be a major player in an auction prior to the beginning of next season.

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This seems like a good place to mention that USA I.1 is currently 14th in average OTR. Canada I.1 doesn't crack the top 20 in OTR, but does have 3.5B between its teams for 1st among leagues.

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This seems like a good place to mention that USA I.1 is currently 14th in average OTR. Canada I.1 doesn't crack the top 20 in OTR, but does have 3.5B between its teams for 1st among leagues.
We have 4 inactive teams. Next season will be a better indication of our true league OTR. Also, much of that cash is held by the now-active HL Football.

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We have 4 inactive teams. Next season will be a better indication of our true league OTR. Also, much of that cash is held by the now-active HL Football.
The 18 active teams in Canada I.1 have an average OTR of 506.01. The average OTR of active teams in USA I.1 is 529.55. The additional CWC and ChL teams next season should definitely help both leagues. Maybe we'll get something similar to Brazil and its dominance in the South American. Brazil's 21 active teams average 562.14 OTR, with 4 teams in the world's top 20 OTR teams.

Are you still planning on selling a forward or two at the end of the season?

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Are you still planning on selling a forward or two at the end of the season?
Perhaps. Undecided given my strong showing this year...

Edit: I do have lots though (4 FWDS with 30 IGR or higher, 1R, 1L, 2U). I can afford to spare one at least and have plenty of younger prospects too. My problem is at CM and have no depth at SD.


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Perhaps. Undecided given my strong showing this year...

Edit: I do have lots though (4 FWDS with 30 IGR or higher, 1R, 1L, 2U). I can afford to spare one at least and have plenty of younger prospects too. My problem is at CM and have no depth at SD.
My top forwards are down to 34, 32, and 30 in-game ratings. I'd love to add a forward currently in the 40+ range, but I haven't had the funds to land anyone close. Another option may be to bring in a youngster who could contribute immediately. There's a certain Canadian forward on the market that I'd love to bring in, but I'm almost certain that I don't have the cash to make it happen.

CM and SD are interesting positions for me. CM has a star player, a homegrown 19 year old, and an aging purchase from season 5. Those 3 are followed by 3 young prospects that aren't ready to sniff the field in a competitive match. SD is a position that could use an upgrade in the starting lineup, but has 3-4 strong prospects coming up. In fact, its a position where I could have heavy representation on junior NTs next season. After I'm able to secure a star/future star forward, CM will probably be the position I checked the market for most. SD could get a little crazy as well.

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FC Corona is now 2 wins away from taking the ChL, I'm 2 points behind the 5th place Fakeballers and I play them tomorrow. Even a loss won't hurt me too much due to how much harder Fakeballers last 4 games will be than mine. If tujague keeps playing his young guys, I may actually have a decent chance at an international cup.

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FC Corona is now 2 wins away from taking the ChL, I'm 2 points behind the 5th place Fakeballers and I play them tomorrow. Even a loss won't hurt me too much due to how much harder Fakeballers last 4 games will be than mine. If tujague keeps playing his young guys, I may actually have a decent chance at an international cup.
Good luck! If Kenora wins the ChL I've locked a ChL birth up. If he doesn't, I need 3 wins in the final 5 to clinch a ChL birth. I play 2 inactive teams so I should be fine. But you never know. That would be true heart-break. I am still hoping I can finish 2nd but 3rd or 4th may be a reality given my lack of energy.

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02-13-2013, 07:27 PM
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Landed the Canadian forward I was interested in today. I was surprised by the lack of bids. I'm thinking the CL history and low experience scared some people off, but he adds depth and youth to my lineup. Hopefully it's not a decision I regret. I ended up not having to take out a loan to land him, so that's a huge plus as well and may mean that I can land another impact player after prize money arrives.

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Landed the Canadian forward I was interested in today. I was surprised by the lack of bids. I'm thinking the CL history and low experience scared some people off, but he adds depth and youth to my lineup. Hopefully it's not a decision I regret. I ended up not having to take out a loan to land him, so that's a huge plus as well and may mean that I can land another impact player after prize money arrives.
Skipman was worried nobody would bid. 200M is a steal. That good and 17!!! Don't let the C/L scare you. Age dictates training more than C/L, especially this early on. You got yourself a real gem there. I have 10% of that in my bank account. Hopefully next year my sponsor offer will be better. Darn well should be! ChL competition and top-4 finish in I.1 (currently 3pts up on 3rd and 2 inactives left in the final 5 games).

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02-14-2013, 07:33 PM
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Skipman was worried nobody would bid. 200M is a steal. That good and 17!!! Don't let the C/L scare you. Age dictates training more than C/L, especially this early on. You got yourself a real gem there. I have 10% of that in my bank account.
I was definitely surprised to get him for that price. He's 2nd in USA I.1, 3rd in all USA leagues, and 251st in the world in AQ.

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Hopefully next year my sponsor offer will be better. Darn well should be! ChL competition and top-4 finish in I.1 (currently 3pts up on 3rd and 2 inactives left in the final 5 games).
Good luck with your sponsor offers!

With today's draw, I'm at 0.16 OTR less than what I had at day 112 of last season. I've clinched a spot in the top 2 of the standings (I finished 2nd last season), I'll have an upgraded HR (compared to last season), and a higher capacity stadium. That should mean more money, but I think other factors are used (i.e. number of league levels and possibly league average OTR) so I should temper my expectations.

After this season I won't be able to look forward to any sizable sponsorship raises. I'm in 1st currently (and should finish there), my HR will be maxed out (with max marketing managers), and my stadium capacity will be maxed out. That leaves OTR as what I can control to improve my sponsorship offers. I don't see that getting substantially bigger.

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Good luck with your sponsor offers!
What kind of cash per week do you get from 2nd place and ChL birth? If you could let me know your OTR at the time it'd give me an idea what to expect for mine in terms of a General Sponsor. Right now I get 13.8 + 6.5 per week (not including skyboxes). That is less than half what the top teams in Canada's I.1 are getting, all but one of which I'm ahead of.

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What do we know about the effect of energy loss on a player? The assumption is that 100 chemistry or Exp is a 20% boost but has anyone figured out how to calculate energy? All I can see is that it appears to be non-linear with the effects really coming out sometime in the mid-80s.

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What do we know about the effect of energy loss on a player? The assumption is that 100 chemistry or Exp is a 20% boost but has anyone figured out how to calculate energy? All I can see is that it appears to be non-linear with the effects really coming out sometime in the mid-80s.
Ya there is a linear drop until a certain point whereby the decrease is much quicker; a cliff almost. I think that cliff is in the mid to low 80s. I think someone noticed a big difference 82-84 somewhere in there.

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I'm slightly pissed at Sweden's U18 coach. He has selected his own goalie prospect as the backup for the team even though I have an eligible player that is superior both in current ability and EQ. My player is a year older, but that shouldn't be a factor in international play!

It such a stupid thing to get caught up on and I totally understand why he would do it, but I want a player to represent a national team dammit!

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice earlier. I've decided to keep him for now, maybe I'll sell him right before the playoffs. Market research indicates that I could get 25M+ for him though.

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What kind of cash per week do you get from 2nd place and ChL birth? If you could let me know your OTR at the time it'd give me an idea what to expect for mine in terms of a General Sponsor. Right now I get 13.8 + 6.5 per week (not including skyboxes). That is less than half what the top teams in Canada's I.1 are getting, all but one of which I'm ahead of.
My general sponsor deal is 29.4M/week. My OTR was at 653.47, with HR-14 and max marketing (and 2nd place with a ChL birth.

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My general sponsor deal is 29.4M/week. My OTR was at 653.47, with HR-14 and max marketing (and 2nd place with a ChL birth.
Hmm I'm about 100 OTR shy of where you're are. Hopefully my lvl 13 HR and 2x 100 marketing staff can still produce a good offer. I figure the bump from league, OTR and int'l bonus will be enough when the likely twice-as-high media deal comes in. Time will tell I suppose, two weeks until I find out if I'm off welfare!

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I was just thinking about staff and more specifically, sporting directors. This is a post from the first page of this thread:

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So what are the thoughts on staff salaries at this point? I'm paying around $400k per day, and that seems like a complete waste of money. I'm spending 200k on sporting directors a lone, and I don't think it's worth it because of the random factor of youth pulls.
If you can get your hands on sporting directors with low player training, they will cost less than 100k/day even at 100 in youth training. My 100/31 director costs 97k, and my 100/15 costs 95k. But let's use 200k/day for calculations.

That means 100% youth training comes at a cost of 22.4M/season. I have not had 100% consistently throughout the last 5.5 seasons, but I think it has been over 80 at least. My SA has gone from ~L9 to L11 in these years. My TF has gone from ~11 to 13, with coaching ranging from 70%-95%. All players were pulled at age 15 so the S8 crop is now 20.

This is what I've pulled and kept, listed CL is what they were pulled as:

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No players.

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Center, EQ: 76.88% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 479
Goalie, EQ: 96.94% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 586

S11:
Center, EQ: 78.45% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 659
Right Wing, EQ: 72.05% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 586
Left D, EQ: 83.79% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 537

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U Winger, EQ: 80.09% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 711
Goalie, EQ: 90.46% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 796

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Goalie, EQ: 86.30% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 821
Right D, EQ: 77.36% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 721
Center, EQ: 88.84% CL: 5/6 Current OR: 926
Left Wing: EQ: 87.06% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 847

S8:
Goalie, EQ: 73.44% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 817
Right D, EQ: 83.68% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 1013
Right D, EQ: 78.69% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 1017
Left Wing, EQ: 80.93% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 968
Right Wing, EQ: 78.11% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 1012
Center, EQ: 75.87% CL: 6/6 Current OR: 829

Some of these players have only been kept around due to staying at 6/6 for many seasons. This all averages out to ~7.2M per player. Considering that the team I just beat consisting of hired mid-20's mercenaries has bought his players for more than 10M/player, these have been sound investments since they are going to continue growing. I expect a few to surpass 1400 OR before they peak, which amounts to at least a decent player in the Swedish I.1.

But we have yet to consider alternative costs. What happens if you hire cheap SDs or no SDs at all? You get less pulls, and while the quality is entirely random, the OR is still affected by the SDs, which takes a chunk out of a prospect's value.

Another radical approach is to neglect the SA altogether and try to find all your prospects on the market. Requires a lot more work, but sometimes you strike gold.

Since my pockets are shallow, I've had to go for the flawed but cheap strategy. Maybe CL was at 5/6, maybe the OR was a bit too low, but all of these players were acquired for less than 3.5M, sorted by current age and listed with current CL and OR:

Age 17:
Left D, EQ: 88.12 CL: 5/6 OR: 400
Left Wing, EQ: 95.71 CL: 6/6 OR:526

Age 18:
Right Wing, EQ: 90.88% CL: 5/6 OR: 617

Age 19:
Center: EQ: 83.41% CL: 5/6 OR: 683

Age 20:
Left Wing: EQ: 85.45% CL: 4/6 OR: 880

Age 21:
Uni D, EQ: 89.89% CL: 4/6 OR: 941

Decent players, but I'm not sure they will be better than my youth pulls in the end. It seems like most of them started too far behind.

In the end, I'm going to stick with my expensive SDs. I hate scouring the market for players, and it feels just a little bit better when your star player has been pulled a from your SA rather than being bought as a 15/16 y.o..


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In the end, I'm going to stick with my expensive SDs. I hate scouring the market for players, and it feels just a little bit better when your star player has been pulled a from your SA rather than being bought as a 15/16 y.o..
Nice post. I've often considered the SA a lottery that I always lose. I more upgrade it as a "nice to have" and to boost my training camp output more than anything. I had a good day on the market though... nabbed 4 or 5 players between the two sports including a 99/90/94 Q'd 350 OR 15yo 6/6 goalie for 80M. Trained 1.88 tonight which is 0.1 more than 2nd place who was also a new purchase!

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Nice post. I've often considered the SA a lottery that I always lose. I more upgrade it as a "nice to have" and to boost my training camp output more than anything. I had a good day on the market though... nabbed 4 or 5 players between the two sports including a 99/90/94 Q'd 350 OR 15yo 6/6 goalie for 80M. Trained 1.88 tonight which is 0.1 more than 2nd place who was also a new purchase!
Nice!

I actually unknowingly used your purchase in some market research while writing up the post. A pretty good comparable to what my goalie pull would've been worth at the time of the pull. With my facilities he only trains at ~1.52 though, a talent like that is probably wasted on me...

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Jumped into 5th place today, a win on sunday coupled with FC Corona winning on Wednesday will earn me a ChL spot.

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I asked in the I.1 forums, but figured I'd ask here as well. What day do the season standing bonuses get paid? I have a few higher end players that I'm going to sell, they've been passed, or very close to being passed on the depth chart and I think the sudden influx of cash will help get a good value for them.


Regarding the SA post above. Since that post I trimmed my cost on SDs by a good pit, I rotate them in and out as their contracts get too big- and I've let them get to around 30k each or so before I'll replace them. I've had pretty good pulls this year- I'd say better than last (Only had 2 kids make the team last year, and 4 this year). I'd chalk a lot of that up to the random factor.

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I asked in the I.1 forums, but figured I'd ask here as well. What day do the season standing bonuses get paid? I have a few higher end players that I'm going to sell, they've been passed, or very close to being passed on the depth chart and I think the sudden influx of cash will help get a good value for them.
They get paid pretty quickly if I remember correctly, I believe everyone should have their money by Sunday night.

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Jumped into 5th place today, a win on sunday coupled with FC Corona winning on Wednesday will earn me a ChL spot.
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Late Sunday. I post for Monday.

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Tossed up three soccer youngsters (and a good 21 year old 1000 OR 5/6 Dman - was 18 6/6). Debating tossing up my best midfielder (22 5/6, 1100 OR RM) as I have a stud prospect coming up the ranks for that position (550 OR 15yo 6/6) and a capable backup who can hold the fort the next few seasons while the youngster develops. being 1100 OR and 5/6 makes now the best time to sell, though it'll hurt my team in the short term and I doubt I'll be cash starved next season...

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Well first season football , worst case 4th... Sitting in 3rd. III.12 is the league. 2 points up on 4th... but do not mind finishing 4th. Dressing the reserves for the remainder of the season and playing on normal to high and aggression. Then I am looking forward to my first playoffs.

In hockey. I am holding on to 2nd place. Goal is to finish top 4. So well on the way.

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