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Weber vs Chara vs Karlsson

View Poll Results: Who is playing at the higher level right now?
Weber 27 10.93%
Chara 48 19.43%
Karlsson 172 69.64%
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02-12-2013, 10:32 AM
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Of course it is, but we've also seen cases where puck movers don't work out with different teams, like bouwmeester.

What's the point of a puck mover that doesn't produce points? Isn't the reason they're so sought after because they score points?

Would anybody want Wideman, Corvo or Kaberle if they didn't score points? They definitely wouldn't be highly sought after.
a puckmover is not necessarily an offensive defenseman. I think you're getting confused again like you were with stats being the be-all-end-all for you.

A puckmover is someone who gets the puck in his own zone and makes nice breakout pass with ease or can carry the puck out. A puck moving defenseman won't have to rely on off the glass and out often.

An offensive defenseman,specializes in getting shots through traffic, and moving around in the offensive zone to open up gaps to feed passes through.

For example, Filip Kuba is an excellent puck moving defenseman. That being said, i don't want him on my powerplay. He always seems to fake slap shot and put it into the corner. No offense other then secondary assists from the breakout.


An offensive defenseman is not as valuable as a puck moving defenseman when not scoring. Bouwmeester still does a good job of getting the puck out of his zone and on to his teamates stick. Doesn't mean he's good at getting pucks on net and being creative on the powerplay.

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I think anything over 40 would be considered a top line puck mover.

But what I'm saying is why not have a guy that is consistently among the top defenseman in scoring every year while bringing everything else to the table.

It's like the difference between Loui Eriksson and Kessel. They're both great offensive players but Eriksson is a better two way player and should be considered the better player because of it.
Yes, but kessel sucks defensively. Karlsson leads D in takeaways last year , and the whole league in takeaways this year.

Come back when kessel has that ability to steal pucks like childsplay. The only forward that is known for that ability is considered amazing defensively. His name is datsyuk.

Terrible analogy.

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Because no one wants Karlsson for his defensive play and offense is measured in stats. If he stops producing offense he doesn't have the defensive play, leadership, or physicality the other two players have.
I'm saddened by the fact you think this. Really, he's a great dman and you make him out to be nothing more than a flash in the pan. Let me suggest this: Watch a game where EK is playing, and then come and argue. I don't think he's perfect, he will make mistakes (I'll be it rarely) but I can assure you, that one shift out of two (if not more than that) he generates a scoring chance.

Now, isn't it time to close the thread? What do we consider a landslide?


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02-13-2013, 05:47 PM
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I may have overreacted but I'm not the only one. I know Karlsson is a good young defenseman but I just value leadership and physicality over offense.

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I may have overreacted but I'm not the only one. I know Karlsson is a good young defenseman but I just value leadership and physicality over offense.
Oh ok so now Karlsson lacks leadership. Got it.

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Oh ok so now Karlsson lacks leadership. Got it.
What has he led the Senators to? And btw I never said he doesn't have leadership, I said Chara clearly is a better leader.

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What has he led the Senators to? And btw I never said he doesn't have leadership, I said Chara clearly is a better leader.
OK there, he's 22. Leadership clearly not a contest here. Like saying '' I pick karlsson cause he's got a better stride''

That being said, you rather have Charra, and that's your opinion, and definitely a valid one. Charra's a top end dman.

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What has he led the Senators to? And btw I never said he doesn't have leadership, I said Chara clearly is a better leader.
Ray Bourque was a bum, Boston never won anything with him.

get well EK, we will see you next year.

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