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02-13-2013, 09:07 PM
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Congrats to our beloved captain.

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This is why I consider Sidney Crosby a playmaker rather than a goal scorer. Sure he has 229 career goals, but he makes his teammates better.

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02-13-2013, 09:10 PM
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Crosby has 171 more points than Games played in his career. Wow...

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02-13-2013, 09:19 PM
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4th place all-time in points-per-game. Only behind Gretzky, Lemieux, and Bossy

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02-13-2013, 09:20 PM
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Also 90 playoff points in only 68 games...

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02-13-2013, 09:21 PM
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02-13-2013, 09:39 PM
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4th place all-time in points-per-game. Only behind Gretzky, Lemieux, and Bossy
By the time he is done, only Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe will be considered better forwards.

Maybe Richard too. But that will be 50/50 either way.

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02-13-2013, 09:44 PM
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Great game tonight for Sid. That first assist to Dupuis was a thing of beauty!

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02-13-2013, 09:46 PM
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By the time he is done, only Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe will be considered better forwards.

Maybe Richard too. But that will be 50/50 either way.
You really expect him to beat out the likes of Jagr, Esposito, Messier, Lafleur, Hull, Mikita, etc?

To beat out Jagr, for example, he would need to win 5 Art Rosses.

That's an absurd amount.

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02-13-2013, 09:47 PM
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It is too bad for Sid's 41 games lost in 2011, 60 games lost in 2012, and 32 games lost in 2013.

That is 133 games lost.

That was probably 170-190 points down the drain.

He would have surely hit 2000 points for his career, if not for those lost points.

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02-13-2013, 09:51 PM
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You really expect him to beat out the likes of Jagr, Esposito, Messier, Lafleur, Hull, Mikita, etc?

To beat out Jagr, for example, he would need to win 5 Art Rosses.

That's an absurd amount.
Jagr could score. But Crosby is better in every other single area. If Crosby gets to 3 Art Ross Trophies and 3 Hart Trophies, I will consider him better. Jagr, for all his Art Ross Trophies, only won 1 Hart Trophy. Says a lot about how him as a total player was perceived.

Same goes for the rest on your list.

He is only 25 years old.

I think he has another 3-4 scoring titles and MVP's ahead of him, if he can stay away from injuries.

That will be enough to surpass those you mention.

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02-13-2013, 10:13 PM
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Gretzky after 393 games
356-558-914

Gretzky after 473
429-693-1122

For reference sake

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02-13-2013, 10:16 PM
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^Thats just stupid. Can you show Lemieux's?

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02-13-2013, 10:16 PM
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Jagr could score. But Crosby is better in every other single area. If Crosby gets to 3 Art Ross Trophies and 3 Hart Trophies, I will consider him better. Jagr, for all his Art Ross Trophies, only won 1 Hart Trophy. Says a lot about how him as a total player was perceived.

Same goes for the rest on your list.

He is only 25 years old.

I think he has another 3-4 scoring titles and MVP's ahead of him, if he can stay away from injuries.

That will be enough to surpass those you mention.
Two of Jagr's lost Harts were to Hasek i.e. likely the best goalie of all time.

He's 25. That's the usual peak for point-getters. I think he'll get another Art Ross and Hart (maybe even two), but let's not get ahead of ourselves and say that he'll beat out these all-time greats.

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This guy would have 800 points by now if he hadn't gotten hurt, it's kind of a shame. He produces at a level well above even what Yzerman and Sakic were doing at the same point in their careers (considering how much lower the offense is nowadays). His PPG blows away Ovechkin and Malkin, and those guys are already HOF greats. Pretty nuts how he just scores like clockwork.

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Gretzky had assist #400 on game #295.

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02-13-2013, 10:18 PM
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Two of Jagr's lost Harts were to Hasek i.e. likely the best goalie of all time.

He's 25. That's the usual peak for point-getters. I think he'll get another Art Ross and Hart (maybe even two), but let's not get ahead of ourselves and say that he'll beat out these all-time greats.
If Martin St. Louis can still play at such a high level at age 37, I don't doubt Crosby could do the same.

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02-13-2013, 10:20 PM
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You really expect him to beat out the likes of Jagr, Esposito, Messier, Lafleur, Hull, Mikita, etc?

To beat out Jagr, for example, he would need to win 5 Art Rosses.

That's an absurd amount.
You need to take into account the amount of time he spent injured though. It should be noted that every single year he missed a significant amount of games, he was either the leader by quite a margin in points or the leader by quite a margin in PPG.

I know people don't like to toss around "what ifs" around here, but he could have as much as 4 Art Ross right now, at the age of 25. Probably a couple of Rocket Richards and Harts on top of that. Now that's really only based on pro rating and speculations, but basing yourself on the sheer amount of awards is rather short sighted as well. Is Henrik Sedin a comparable player since the lock-out because he has as many Art Ross?

And out of the players you named, I can only see Jagr still being ranked ahead of him when it's all said and done, but that's only if Crosby cannot carry his level of play in his late thirties. But considering how Selanne, St-Louis and Jagr, for that matter, are doing right now, and judging by Crosby's work ethic and the fact his game is mostly based around his smarts, I don't see what's stopping him from dominating another 15 years. Beside injuries, of course.


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02-13-2013, 10:21 PM
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Is he the fastest (in terms of GP) in NHL history to this milestone?
Lol no. Without looking it up, I think Gretzky was at like 800 by his 450th game.

Edit: looked it up. He had 693 by game 473

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02-13-2013, 11:24 PM
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He is destined, like Gretzky and Lemieux before him, to be one the most hated players during his career, and one of the most respected after.

His game is pure magic to watch, and I consider myself lucky to someday be able to tell my grandkids about how great it was to watch him, as I will tell them about Gretzky and Lemieux.

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Gretzky also played in a significantly higher scoring era. Posting his stats are irrelevant to the topic.

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Gretzky also played in a significantly higher scoring era. Posting his stats are irrelevant to the topic.
Exactly. Unfortunately is the one sport where records will never be broken. Period.

People will always say guys like Gretzky and Lemieux were better than any player in the present...and any player for the rest of existence...because of that fact. Yet in other sports where you see records being broken..that isn't the case.

You have to compare Sid getting 400 a in 448 games to others in this era.


By the way, I'm guilty of all of the above as well...just pointing it out

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good for him. itll be intresting to see if he could become a top 10 forward of all time, only time will tell

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02-13-2013, 11:47 PM
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congrats sid probably should of had it way earlier due to injures

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