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View Poll Results: Should the Habs claim Matt Kassian on waivers from Minnesota?
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02-14-2013, 12:33 PM
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Well, at least Gorges would have to get laughed at to drop the gloves against a 250 pounds monster. I can't believe how people underestimate the effect this can have on a team. Lucic single-handedly broke our season in the centennial year.
So what, Kassian would get paid to play 2 1/2 minutes per night, and then hopefully produce some brain trauma in the last minutes of a 6-0 blowout?

Not sure what that would have changed in the grand scheme of things.

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Well... I guess that answers the questions. Bergevin and Therrien want 4 lines with players who can play hockey.

If it's their logic, I don't share it, but I still respect it. That being said, I hope to God we're going to have some kind of success against our division this season. Or else, you won't have any choice but to look back at why they beat us, and how they did so.
I don't know if that's necessarily true. I've argued all along that the timing isn't good, and it's entirely possible that's Bergevin's reasoning as well. Doesn't preclude us from making a move later on.

Besides, now that we know Kassian's value (zip), we can get him from the Wild for a song if that's the direction we want to go in.

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02-14-2013, 12:36 PM
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Bordeleau will be UFA in July.

Let's wait for the big catch.

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Bordeleau will be UFA in July.

Let's wait for the big catch.
This. For those that are disappointed, I would imagine Bergevin has already inquired about him. We'll see.

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So what, Kassian would get paid to play 2 1/2 minutes per night, and then hopefully produce some brain trauma in the last minutes of a 6-0 blowout?

Not sure what that would have changed in the grand scheme of things.
You don't realize that it's not about winning games, but protecting our players and make sure they keep playing the same game longterm, do you?

Guys here are repeatedly saying "I hope Gallagher never changes the way he plays.". Who the hell are you guys kidding. He'll become tamer and tamer as he gets abused, he'll have to change his game because he can't afford fighting agaisnt 6'2 215 pounds guys. Same thing for Prust who'll have to fight 25 times per season.

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02-14-2013, 12:40 PM
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You don't realize that it's not about winning games, but protecting our players and make sure they keep playing the same game longterm, do you?

Guys here are repeatedly saying "I hope Gallagher never changes the way he plays.". Who the hell are you guys kidding. He'll become tamer and tamer as he gets abused, he'll have to change his game because he can't afford fighting agaisnt 6'2 215 pounds guys. Same thing for Prust who'll have to fight 25 times per season.
Having a goon play 2 minutes a night just to fight someone else's goon won't change anything.

Besides, it really -should- be about winning games. That's the whole point of a hockey team. The score is what matters, not paying a guy to doll out brain damage.

Kassian is terrible. I suspect those clamoring for him haven't ever watched him play. He would hurt the team when he's on the ice since he can hardly play, and I think 30 NHL teams agree with me, or else they would have picked him up for free.

There are 690 spots in the NHL, but Kassian isn't good enough to occupy one. Go figure.

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We had no room. How tough is it to understand that....Nobody will pick up Kaberle because they have to accomodate us. And neither Weber, Eller or Desharnais is being traded in 1 day for a 7th rounder because we need space for Kassian.

Don't get me wrong....I wish we'd have a guy like that. But timing wasn't on our side. If Bergevin wants him so bad, he could take a little more time to try to move people...and the acquire Kassian. Sorry, but a guy who was on waivers will not have to be paid heavily. So not only Bergevin doesn't make mistakes because he's on a rush, but we also acquire a guy without paying him too much. We could even try to move a prospect la Schultz for him or a slightly better upgrade.

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We had no room. How tough is it to understand that....Nobody will pick up Kaberle because they have to accomodate us. And neither Weber, Eller or Desharnais is being traded in 1 day for a 7th rounder because we need space for Kassian.

Don't get me wrong....I wish we'd have a guy like that. But timing wasn't on our side.
Waive White pick up Kassian?

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Waive White pick up Kassian?
that's even more useless

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Waive White pick up Kassian?
Come on....White has proved he could play regularly in this league which Kassian hasn't done.

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Having a goon play 2 minutes a night just to fight someone else's goon won't change anything.

Besides, it really -should- be about winning games. That's the whole point of a hockey team. The score is what matters, not paying a guy to doll out brain damage.

Kassian is terrible. I suspect those clamoring for him haven't ever watched him play. He would hurt the team when he's on the ice since he can hardly play, and I think 30 NHL teams agree with me, or else they would have picked him up for free.
1. False. Having an EFFECTIVE enforcer out there keeps the opposition in check. They have it in the back of their minds, and I guaranty guys like McLaren and Kostka wouldn't have beaten Gorges and Gallagher up if they knew they'd have to pay for it at some point.

2. It's about being as effective as you can, for all the short, middle and long term. Gallagher's game is based on aggressiveness and pugnacity. He won't keep that up for more than 2 years if he takes too much abuse like he did the other night.

3. Kassian might be horrible with the puck, he's still can't be less useful than Armstrong. I don't care if he produces or not or if he's a defensive wizard or not. Moen and White are more than capable to play. You don't need him on the ice for 20 minutes. You need him for 5 minutes. You double shift a young guy to give him more experience after that, or you put your hottest player on that line. If someone takes a liberty on Kostka, you get your enforcer on the ice the next shift he takes, and you tell him to go abuse him. Especially when the game is lost. At least, he knows he can't do it again without retaliation.

Seriously. What game are you watching? Curling?

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Waive White pick up Kassian?
Instantly become a worse team.

If bergevin really wanted Kassian, he would have got him. He's have found a way, no doubt. I imagine he'll be getting someone else soon.

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Come on....White has proved he could play regularly in this league which Kassian hasn't done.
Agreed but right now do you think Therrien is going to put back White in the lineup? So if it's just to have a heavyweight might as well go for a bigger body that will only play against teams like Boston, Philly and Toronto

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3. Kassian might be horrible with the puck, he's still can't be less useful than Armstrong.
Armstrong can be used in multiple scenarios just as 4th line, pk, 3rd line depth due to injury. The guy has shown he has been able to score goals in this league. He has shown he can do far more than Kassian on any team. Kassian can.... fight. That's it, otherwise he is a pylon who is useless.

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Agreed but right now do you think Therrien is going to put back White in the lineup? So if it's just to have a heavyweight might as well go for a bigger body that will only play against teams like Boston, Philly and Toronto
This team won't suffer zero injury this season. White will be back eventually. The guy has not the talent nor tools to play more than 50% of the team's games, anyway.

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Armstrong can be used in multiple scenarios just as 4th line, pk, 3rd line depth due to injury. The guy has shown he has been able to score goals in this league. He has shown he can do far more than Kassian on any team. Kassian can.... fight. That's it, otherwise he is a pylon who is useless.
Hey, guess what. I heard some people say the same thing on Darche last year. Where is he now? How did that "depth" end up paying out for us?

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Hey, guess what. I heard some people say the same thing on Darche last year. Where is he now?
Not sure what the relevance of where he is now is supposed to prove...doesn't change the fact that he was a solid PK/fourth line guy for us.

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Not sure what the relevance of where he is now is supposed to prove...doesn't change the fact that he was a solid PK/fourth line guy for us.
Actually, Darche was better and more useful than Armstrong...and cheaper, too.

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Hey, guess what. I heard some people say the same thing on Darche last year. Where is he now?
No one is saying Armstrong is the answer, but you can't seriously believe that Kassian is more useful than Armstrong? Remember, Armstrong is a 1 year reclamation project, no significance if he doesn't work out.

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Not sure what the relevance of where he is now is supposed to prove...doesn't change the fact that he was a solid PK/fourth line guy for us.
If guys like Armstrong and Darche can be "solid" PKers, anyone can be. This kind of depth is not depth. It's just dead bodies on a roster who don't play any particular role. Every winning team needs role players. In Montreal, not only are we lacking an enforcer, but we're also lacking an elite faceoff man and a big body defenseman.

We had the chance to get one of those three for nothing, and make him our 13th/14th forward that plays once every 3 games. But I guess we'd rather have Weber as a #8 d-man in case, you know, injuries happen and that we count on him to be effective, something he has never been at this level so far.

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Armstrong can be used in multiple scenarios just as 4th line, pk, 3rd line depth due to injury. The guy has shown he has been able to score goals in this league. He has shown he can do far more than Kassian on any team. Kassian can.... fight. That's it, otherwise he is a pylon who is useless.
Actually Kassian has more goals than Armstrong the last 2 seasons in less games.

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If guys like Armstrong and Darche can be "solid" PKers, anyone can be.
Really? anyone can be a solid PK player?

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Really? anyone can be a solid PK player?
If you consider Darche and Armstrong "PK specialists", well it's a proof that you can make any player you want into one. Really. None of those guys have ever been known for their defensive prowesses before coming to Montreal. So the "PK specialist role" argument you bring is irrelevant.

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Actually Kassian has more goals than Armstrong the last 2 seasons in less games.
Funny stat, but useless at the same time. Armstrong has been playing injured the past 2 seasons. That plays a huge factor

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If guys like Armstrong and Darche can be "solid" PKers, anyone can be. This kind of depth is not depth. It's just dead bodies on a roster who don't play any particular role. Every winning team needs role players. In Montreal, not only are we lacking an enforcer, but we're also lacking an elite faceoff man and a big body defenseman.

We had the chance to get one of those three for nothing, and make him our 13th/14th forward that plays once every 3 games. But I guess we'd rather have Weber as a #8 d-man in case, you know, injuries happen and that we count on him to be effective, something he has never been at this level so far.
too bad Weber (and players like Weber) cannot be sent to AHL to play regular shifts, and be re called without going thru waivers (back and forth) evrytime.

Weber is really losing his time in Montreal. We have too many small d-men with the same skills set.

Trade him for something, even a 3rd or 4th round drft pick.


Ottawa might need a d-man soon, now.

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