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02-14-2013, 10:08 AM
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Andy has a friendly cap hit too anyteam and happens too be playing lights..His value is more then anyother goalie on market due too cap hit and play
So do all the goalies I've mentioned apart from Luongo (who has a great cap hit but bad term).

Seriously, do some research.

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02-14-2013, 10:10 AM
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So your hoping that everyone comes back to this team as we hold down a playoff spot ..Jesus open your eyes.

Lehner is ready they know he is thats why they been pushing a bishop trade move Lehner up ..So it happens now or next season ..Why not get value back
Dude, just stop it. You're so incredibly off the wall with this suggestion that 95% of the people in this thread are telling you that you sound drunk.

I'm not hoping everyone comes back. I am hoping 3 players come back soon, Spezza at the end of the season, while Anderson keeps playing the way he has been and guys like Turris, Michalek, Smith, O'Brien, Methot, Gonchar, Phillips all step up.

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02-14-2013, 10:15 AM
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Because Craig Anderson is not a robot: he's a human being that has established a life in Ottawa and has played out of his mind for the team. You don't simply trade him because you can, you trade him if Pittsburgh says they'll give you Crosby for him sure, but in any other case you reward players you play like he does, a trade is something that isn't a whole lot of fun for players and for a guy like Anderson who's been a backup most of his NHL career I'm a sure he's enjoying the stability we've given him (and we are enjoying the stability he's given us)


Does your boss care about your personnal life ? ..Its not a game its a business

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02-14-2013, 10:17 AM
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So do all the goalies I've mentioned apart from Luongo (who has a great cap hit but bad term).

Seriously, do some research.
What are talking about ?? Lol

for play and cap and term ..Andy is a steal for another gm ...

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02-14-2013, 10:21 AM
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Dude, just stop it. You're so incredibly off the wall with this suggestion that 95% of the people in this thread are telling you that you sound drunk.

I'm not hoping everyone comes back. I am hoping 3 players come back soon, Spezza at the end of the season, while Anderson keeps playing the way he has been and guys like Turris, Michalek, Smith, O'Brien, Methot, Gonchar, Phillips all step up.


I hope they all come back but all of them arent ..Spezza Karlsson and Cowen are done this team has goaltending depth and some fans would rather went and see what happens lol just ridiculous not even too explore the option

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02-14-2013, 10:28 AM
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Does your boss care about your personnal life ? ..Its not a game its a business
Actually, in most real jobs... It's quite common to hear "family first" if you need time off, or to work a specific schedule.

So yeah, your manager actually does care to a point. If it impacts your performance that's another story but they won't just make life altering decisions for you without consulting you (outside of where there is no alternative)

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02-14-2013, 10:39 AM
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If you deal Anderson, you are not only giving up on this year. You are probably giving up on next year too. Thats not a great message to send to the fans or the team. Having Spezza, Cowen, (hopefullly) Karlsson and more developed youngs players with some other changes and this team should be pretty solid next season.

Lets just state the obvious, if Anderson is dealt, it's pretty certain we will have worse goaltending next season. There are no comparable goalies available at a reasonable cost and Lehner/Bishop are kids without a proven record.

Andy is in his prime and is the first real number one goalie we can trot out night after night and get a solid to amazing perfomance. Why would you deal him until Lehner pushes him out (say through consistent NHL performance)?

Want to develop young players? Why not give them a goalie that has shown he can cover up for defensive gaffes? Or how about not throwing Lehner into the fire without a proven goalie to work with?

This season appears sunk, but I dont want to throw away the near future too. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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02-14-2013, 10:52 AM
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Too many people playing NHL2013, not enough common sense (ok, maybe just a hand full of posters).

The "trade him because his value is high" mentality is ridiculous. You'll notice that good GM's don't trade players that are the best in the league, they keep them happy and build the team around them. Could you imagine if NJ had traded Brodeur years ago because "his value is high" Silly, silly idea, most likely influenced but too much video gaming and not enough reality.

Ease off Lehner too for crying out loud. I like the guy as a prospect but he has accomplished nothing at the NHL level and will spend a few years as an NHL backup working his NHL game. We don't have to rush our young prospect because we CURRENTLY HAVE THE BEST GOALTENDER IN THE LEAGUE.

As one posted tried to explain, hockey teams and players are made up of people and inter personal relationships. Ottawa has a world class organization because management treats the layers very well and makes sound personnel decisions (Murray trading the vets to places that they want/deserve). Murray will not disrespect Andy, the team, and the fans, by trading away our best player just because he's playing lights out and we're suffering injuries. Think about how pathetic a message that is, do you really think we're going to give up and tank? Do you really want to be a fan, let alone a player, for THAT team?

Give your head a shake!

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02-14-2013, 11:11 AM
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Wow folks lay off the OP. The idea of at least EXPLORING the option certainly doesn't hurt. Read the first sentence, he's only saying to explore the option if we're out of the playoff picture.

With Lehner playing awesome in Bingo, it's really not absurd to think about.

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He's our best player... If we add a few pieces up front and on the back-end we can ride a hot goaltender into the playoffs...

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02-14-2013, 11:16 AM
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How fun do you think it will be for Anderson to play out the season with no goal support? He's not a robot, it's true.

Murray gave Andy an extra year on the contract to get an NTC off the table. Obviously you don't go shopping him around, but he has to listen to offers.

I understand we're all emotional, and it is V-Day, but lets rein in the sentamentalism a little bit.

OP's suggestion isn't as evil and stupid as some are suggesting.

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02-14-2013, 11:29 AM
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Here's a nice piece on why dealing a top goalie doesn't make as much sense as people think.


It's hard to get good players in the league. When you have them, you keep them.

The line of thinkign with these types of posts (i know, generalization) is "we can trade x for a player, a prospect and a pick...and then trade for this guy or sign this player to fill his spot. We'll be better!" It really never works out that way. Thats Playstation think.

Or you can ditch the proven vet for a kid, which also often doesnt work out.

For me
1. why does a team that struggled to find a real goalie deal him when they finally get him.
2. why do we get proposals to trade every player over 25, even if they are good?

It's just not realistic. Especially given the Sens have already shown they arent willing to do the "blow up the team" rebuild the Oilers and Pens did.

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02-14-2013, 11:30 AM
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Does your boss care about your personnal life ? ..Its not a game its a business
It's bad for business not to treat your employees well.

Of course my boss cares about my personal life he just has to consider a complete spectrum of factors when making decisions; one of those are the personal matters of valued employees.

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02-14-2013, 11:32 AM
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Having a goalie you can trust behind your rookies and young ones is great for development. Wait for the deadline at the very least, even if his value goes down.

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No unless the return is too good to say no to.

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Wow folks lay off the OP. The idea of at least EXPLORING the option certainly doesn't hurt. Read the first sentence, he's only saying to explore the option if we're out of the playoff picture.

With Lehner playing awesome in Bingo, it's really not absurd to think about.
The problem with Bishop and Lehner is that they are both still unproven commodities in the NHL, having just played a small sample size.

IMO the time to entertain the idea of trading Andy would be if/when a Luongo-Schneider situation develops. I would be disappointed if we traded Andy anytime before then.

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02-14-2013, 11:56 AM
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There is so much wrong with this idea, it is hard to put into words.

1. Goaltender returns on the market are never as good as you would expect.

2. We want Anderson here in the future... Why trade away a great contract and player when we can have a top goaltending tandem instead? Look at where it took Boston with Thomas/Rask in 2011. Having two goalies helps them drive each other.

3. No need to rush Lehner into a number 1 spot, he could use some time as backup to prove himself and get seasoned.

4. Could you imagine the negativity around our organization if we traded off Anderson? It would hurt our attractiveness as a UFA destination.

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02-14-2013, 11:57 AM
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Sens were essentially a tripod this year... and you're suggesting that we cut off the last remaining leg. That would be a more grievous wound that the previous 2 just because it wouldn't heal in time for next season.


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02-14-2013, 11:57 AM
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Terrible idea ... why would we trade away the best goalie we have ever had & the best goalie in the NHL right now. Should the Sabres trade away Miller because they suck right now or did they trade away Hasek for all those yrs they weren't very good. NO. If you have an elite goaltender you keep an elite goaltender regardless of the potential you have behind him. The goalie to trade is Bishop since he is the 3rd wheel in this situation & I would think at the deadline, unless a great deal comes sooner.

Lehner is the goalie of the future & the best way to develop him now that he has proven he is NHL ready is to let him challenge Anderson for the top job. IMO that could take a yr or two & when it does happen, what better situation to have then to have Anderson the veteran, mentor our moody over emotional young goaltender & come in to calm the storm in tight games or to relieve him from time to time & still give Ottawa every opportunity to win games. Two good goalies that give us every opportunity to win games no matter which one is in net is so much better than one good goalie & a back up we are not sure about, remember Auld. That will be the situation next yr, think of that. We may not get what we hope to get by trading Anderson & what happens if whoever we get is good but Bishop & Lehner take more than a yr to get good in the NHL? Anderson is good NOW. We're not Columbus, we shouldn't be trading away our best players. Should we also consider trading away Spezza & Karlsson they could get us a lot more than Anderson, they could get us both Seth & Mackinnon? Makes no sense.

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02-14-2013, 11:58 AM
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Atta boy Murray.

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Bryan Murray shoots down any thought of trading Craig Anderson. Says he's a cornerstone guy that can play another 5-8 years. #Sens

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02-14-2013, 12:06 PM
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Well done Murray, that's a relief to hear. 5-8 years is pretty surprising to hear him say. 5 years left in the league for sure, but they're not all going to be in Ottawa. But yes at only 30 years old, Anderson has a lot of hockey left in him.

Things can change quickly obviously, but now that Murray has come out and said that....can we drop this discussion?

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02-14-2013, 12:11 PM
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That's why Murray is a GM and most people here aren't (besides opportunity and experience).

There's no way you trade Anderson.

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02-14-2013, 12:13 PM
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Thomas and Rask took turns in the Bruins net for years. When one had an off period. the other stood in.

That is what the Sens could have. Lehner can come in and back up Anderson and learn the ropes in the NHL.

if everyone comes back healthy next year, and the young guys get a lot of playing time this year-which it looks like they will have to-next year night be interesting one and they will want to make sure the goal tending is strong.

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02-14-2013, 12:19 PM
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Well after reading some of the comments, let me explain in detail why I posed the question. (Thanks for those that didn't go ape $hit on the question...and btw, I'm not drunk...yet)

1. We are a young team.
2. We will get younger once Alfie retires.
3. Our Top-6 is going to take some time to form, considering it takes a few years for young players to blossom. (We currently have 3 established Top-6 players, 2 after Alfie retires)
4. Lehner is the near future goalie (Andy might play for 5-7 more years, but I HIGHLY doubt it will be for the Sens).
5. We'll also be taking a hit on defence once Gonchar leaves after this year (or probably gets traded at the deadline).

Last year was a GREAT run, but sometimes you have to be realistic.

Anderson has been ALL-WORLD this year, but he'll probably come down to earth as some point, and still looks like a very talented goalie. However IF the right offer came to the table, you'd have to look at where this will position the team in the next 2-3 years.

Who knows what Murray has planned for the off-season. If he's looking at getting a bona-fide Top-3 player (Getlaf, Perry), then of course, you don't trade Anderson, but he is looking at building the stars within, we have a little ways to go.

Peace out,
Happy V-Day.

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02-14-2013, 12:23 PM
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It would work ONLY if Lehner pans out. Although it is a high percentage chance (I believe), your still banking on that.

For all we know Anderson is the new Tim Thomas.

We could get a hefty return of a roster player, first pick etc but goaltending is too important to give away.

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