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Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson?

View Poll Results: Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson
Sens fan saying yes 30 3.82%
Pens fan saying no 69 8.78%
Yes 175 22.26%
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02-14-2013, 11:24 AM
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It is a hockey play as proven by the multiple times it happens during the games, how the hell can you cay otherwise? I cant believe i'm even having this conversation right now. You asked for an example of the exact same play... but its very hard because it is a freak accident and next to impossible to pre meditate it unless you have a brain that works very fast. got it?
No, something similar and I'm still waiting. I want to see a wild skate while pinning someone into the boards. STILL waiting. But you keep on parroting HOCKEY PLAY HOCKEY PLAY HOCKEY PLAY

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He's not the one leveling a very serious accusation at a player. Where is your evidence?
Next time don't assume stuff because you're beyond wrong. I mean jesus christ you condescend and you're in the wrong. It's hilarious and you look INCREDIBLY ignorant and foolish.

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02-14-2013, 11:41 AM
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I feel really bad for the sens right now missing their 2 best players, but c'mon....

Natural instinct when you're off balance, leaning to the right on one foot is to push down hard on your left foot... It's also very hard to intentionally do that to Karlsson and if he was looking to injure Karlsson this was a pretty dumb way to go around doing it.

No way was this on purpose... Just horrible luck.

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02-14-2013, 12:01 PM
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Because a huge amount of people on this board are biased against Karlsson and were hoping he wouldn't repeat last years performance. If it were a guy who was universally lived and respected then the results would have been very different.

I'll admit I have a bias since I'm a huge Karlsson fan. But his haters won't admit to their own biases.
Dude, i think your tinfoil hat is a bit tight. Loosen it up a few notch, would you?

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02-14-2013, 12:06 PM
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Matt Cooke is a ninja apparently. Bad things happen hopefully EK is back to his old self sooner rather than later. i read an article earlier from a surgeon that said given the location of the injury and the type (laceration not rupture) it may not be as bad as a typical sports related achilles injury. That or EK is a greek god.

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02-14-2013, 12:08 PM
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Why are there two options for what each team is expected to say? I'd be more interested to see how many sens fans say no, and how many Pens fans say yes.

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02-14-2013, 12:09 PM
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Well the general opinion is that it was an accident.

TSN guys called it an accident, Brendan Shanahan called it an accident.

Let's not act like Cooke is favored around the league either, 2 seasons ago he got 4 games for boarding Tyutin and the final 10 regular season games and a playoff series (17 games) for his elbow, the last dirty play he made.

If there was intent to injure, Cooke would have at least had a hearing.

I said this in the Karlsson thread, Cooke has worked hard to change his game, I don't think he saw Karlsson and said "time to forget about all the hard work I've done"

It was an accident.

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Matt Cooke: I talked to Ray Shero, he said Brendan Shanahan called & understands it was an accident. I feel terrible Just freak accident -SK

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02-14-2013, 12:27 PM
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You should have another option saying:

-No intent to injure, but reckless play nonetheless.

Not all of his previous injury causing plays have been headhunting/intentional. He's just in general a reckless player, and then stuff like this happens a lot more often than it does for other players, not to mention his intentional stuff thrown on top.

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02-14-2013, 12:32 PM
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My take: Cooke is an a hole. Probably one of the biggest cancers currently playing in the NHL. This was not on purpose. I think Cooke was just trying to find his footing. There's no way that with out looking he has the kind of aim necessary to actually make that kind of cut. For all he knows based on where his head his, his skate could've been going through Karlsson's legs and stomping on air.

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02-14-2013, 12:32 PM
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Because a huge amount of people on this board are biased against Karlsson and were hoping he wouldn't repeat last years performance. If it were a guy who was universally lived and respected then the results would have been very different.

I'll admit I have a bias since I'm a huge Karlsson fan. But his haters won't admit to their own biases.
You keep telling yourself that. Nobody(or very very few, if you want to be technical) wanted him to get hurt, especially in such an awful way. Just thinking about that play is painful, but Cooke pretty obviously did not mean to do it.

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02-14-2013, 12:33 PM
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No, something similar and I'm still waiting. I want to see a wild skate while pinning someone into the boards. STILL waiting. But you keep on parroting HOCKEY PLAY HOCKEY PLAY HOCKEY PLAY




Next time don't assume stuff because you're beyond wrong. I mean jesus christ you condescend and you're in the wrong. It's hilarious and you look INCREDIBLY ignorant and foolish.

It is a hockey play... the dude lost balance and cut Karlsson, how the hell do you not see that? you still insist you need video evidence of this happening and i am going to tell you... you are not going to find it. It's a ****ing freak accident, you know what that means? it is not of the norm.

You are accusing a player of intentionally slicing through another player when common sense and a basic knowledge of physics... oh and the whole human factor shows that this was not intentional... hence the lack of suspension, agreement by the higher ups in hockey that it was an accident/ freak play, reporters and even the majority of us here on HF. Give me factual proof he cut him on purpose? if not then one questions who's really the foolish one.

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02-14-2013, 12:35 PM
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Karlsson turned into it. He has to protect himself when going into the corners.

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02-14-2013, 12:54 PM
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Look at when Karlsson goes into the boards. Look at his feet. If his right foot hits inside-to-boards, Cooke's skate is nowhere near the Achilles. Cooke has no way of knowing/seeing which way Karlsson's foot is going to turn. Lebrun had a blog on it this morning. It really sucks, and I'm sorry for Sens fans, but it wasn't on purpose.

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02-14-2013, 12:55 PM
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It seems like the Cooke supporters aren't understanding the position of most people who are unhappy with the play.

Very few people are suggesting he was targeting his Achilles and knew exactly what he was doing.

He went into the boards with one of the leagues top players, lifted his foot and brought it down against Karlsson's leg and I think that was intentional.

Lots of people have said thus happens every game, one person even suggested 30+ times a game... Could someone please show me examples of this happening?

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02-14-2013, 12:56 PM
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Karlsson turned into it. He has to protect himself when going into the corners.

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No doubt he did it on purpose.

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02-14-2013, 01:03 PM
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I'm not sure but I think he might have been trying to hurt Karlsson there. Its a tough call because that's a routine play but the way his skate just hit Karlsson there then he brought it back the way he did, I think maybe he was trying to. Lets remember, we're talking about Matt Cooke here, not exactly a top candidate for the Lady Byng.

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02-14-2013, 01:06 PM
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I'm starting to believe that Cooke might be going for an intentional slew-foot, and that lead to this horrific outcome.

Can't be proven, of course.

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02-14-2013, 01:07 PM
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Cooke gets hit in the face by Gonchar. Hes livid.

Later in the game..

Cooke makes a non hockey play. I mean what in the world is his foot doing there? Obvious intent to commit something (trip,slew foot, etc) but i dont believe it was to be that serious.

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02-14-2013, 01:08 PM
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When I first saw the video, I thought "stupid and reckless, but not intentional."

Then I saw that it was Cooke. I thought "stupid and intent to do something illegal, but not to injure long term. Probably wanted to slew-foot."

Then I saw the big grin on his face as he was looking at Karlsson get escorted off the ice. That sealed it for me.

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02-14-2013, 01:12 PM
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Obviously not intentional

Even aside from the freak accident-ness of the play, I don't think even Matt Cooke is dumb enough to stomp on the superstar 21 year old Norris winning defensemen who plays for a Canadian team. He knows his career is on thin ice, there's no reason for him to make this play intentionally.

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02-14-2013, 01:13 PM
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It seems like the Cooke supporters aren't understanding the position of most people who are unhappy with the play.

Very few people are suggesting he was targeting his Achilles and knew exactly what he was doing.

He went into the boards with one of the leagues top players, lifted his foot and brought it down against Karlsson's leg and I think that was intentional.

Lots of people have said thus happens every game, one person even suggested 30+ times a game... Could someone please show me examples of this happening?
he lifted his foot as every other player does in a pinning situation. His foot came down when they hit the boards. Please skate into the boards with your foot lifted and see what happens to your foot, reflexively.


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Cooke gets hit in the face by Gonchar. Hes livid.

Later in the game..

Cooke makes a non hockey play. I mean what in the world is his foot doing there? Obvious intent to commit something (trip,slew foot, etc) but i dont believe it was to be that serious.
What do you mean "non-hockey play"?

Players, GMs, coaches have all said it was a normal play.

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02-14-2013, 01:14 PM
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Obviously not intentional

Even aside from the freak accident-ness of the play, I don't think even Matt Cooke is dumb enough to stomp on the superstar 21 year old Norris winning defensemen who plays for a Canadian team. He knows his career is on thin ice, there's no reason for him to make this play intentionally.
What does him being 21 and on a Canadian team do? what if he was on the bruins?

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02-14-2013, 01:28 PM
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The sad thing is that Matt Cooke shouldn't even be playing in the NHL anymore. He should have been expelled a long time ago.

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Arghh this thread is depressing, so many mental comments on both sides of the argument. The likelihood that Cooke intended to injure Karlsson is minimal... just let this topic die.

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