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02-14-2013, 02:03 PM
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02-14-2013, 02:07 PM
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Case in defense of Kreider: "He hasn't done anything!"

Case against Boyle: "He hasn't done anything!"

No double standard here. Just one standard for Boyle, and a completely different standard for Kreider.
For the love of God this this this this this this this this this

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02-14-2013, 02:08 PM
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02-14-2013, 02:10 PM
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Gaborik is what he is. Kreider is a work in progress.

When Kreider scores 40 goals in the NHL, we can discuss this further.
My point is I doubt Kreider ever becomes a guy that will be a dominant force shift in and shift out. IMO he'll at best be a Gaborik or Stamkos without the insane production. A guy that gets his points but is more of a quiet player. Seriously, if Staal and Gabby cashed in on 2 GLORIOUS chances (both were also good passes too, wouldn't have been cheap assists), are we talking about how poorly he has played? How many chances have we created in these games that were better than those?

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02-14-2013, 02:10 PM
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They're probably trying to get Miller's games in before making a decision on him. If Miller gets kept, Kreider will be sent down, and vice versa.

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02-14-2013, 02:12 PM
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For the love of God, why does every GDT start with a 10 page argument about Brian Boyle?

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02-14-2013, 02:13 PM
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Our run last year wasn't a fluke. Though, I wonder what would have happened if we didn't get that BS call for a 5 on 3 in game 6. Still could have won, but it becomes tricky. The 3 OT losses in 2 years is not a fluke, but sounds a lot better than it actually is. You and some people like to pretend that the reason we blew the lead to Boston was because Brian "best defensive forward ever" Boyle wasn't playing. I gave you a # of collapses we had with Boyle in. Including two 3rd period 3 goal collapses. To pretend like it's some guarantee we wouldn't blow the lead because of Boyle is ridiculously overrating him.
You're bound to blow leads once in a blue moon, regardless of your personnel. I've seen Boyle help to protect many more leads than hes blown.

I'm working off a sample size of three games, you're working off a sample size of 100+. I'm not to good with percentages, but i'm gonna wager my argument is a little stronger.

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02-14-2013, 02:13 PM
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For the love of God, why does every GDT start with a 10 page argument about Brian Boyle?
Only 8 pages.

Presumptuous much?

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02-14-2013, 02:15 PM
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My point is I doubt Kreider ever becomes a guy that will be a dominant force shift in and shift out. IMO he'll at best be a Gaborik or Stamkos without the insane production. A guy that gets his points but is more of a quiet player. Seriously, if Staal and Gabby cashed in on 2 GLORIOUS chances (both were also good passes too, wouldn't have been cheap assists), are we talking about how poorly he has played? How many chances have we created in these games that were better than those?
The thing is, Torts is going to push Kreider to play better and more assertive. We all have to understand the Rangers want more out of him than just being invisible at most points. If they try and he becomes an offensive player only, fine. But they are going to try and mold him into an all-around player who can also score. But at this point, he really isn't even being assertive on offense.

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02-14-2013, 02:15 PM
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Kreider strated the season badly i admit that BUT the ankle injury didnt help. I still dont think Torts uses Kreider enough/effectively. In the devils game Kreider was our best forward BECAUSE he got some PP time and he played with brad richards. Miller is not good at setting people up and even though i respect callahan he sint good either. I guarantee if kreider is put with stepan/richards he would score a bunch of goals. also his passing has been impressive

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02-14-2013, 02:15 PM
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How many games has Boyle played in where the Rangers have hung onto a lead int eh 3rd period?
Yep, clearly Hank, McDonagh, Staal, Girardi, even Del Zotto have nothing to do with that. Going back to last year- Prust, Fedotenko, etc. In fact the other 29 teams in the NHL blow 3rd period leads, clearly they can't hang on to them without Brian friggin Boyle, amirite?

Seriously, Vancouver didn't lose a game in regulation for several years after taking a lead into the 3rd. How did they do that? Does Brian Boyle play for them too?

MOST teams have great records heading into the 3rd with a lead.

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#NYR Boyle will play tonight vs. Isles. Excited to be back in the lineup, wants to create more offense, play sharper on PK

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That's okay Brian just stick to the defensive aspect of the game. If you want to create offense just park your humongous body in front of the goalie and for the love of god don't try to carry the puck into the zone.

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02-14-2013, 02:17 PM
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For the love of God, why does every GDT start with a 10 page argument about Brian Boyle?
Maybe because he was called up in favor of our best prospect?

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02-14-2013, 02:18 PM
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The thing is, Torts is going to push Kreider to play better and more assertive. We all have to understand the Rangers want more out of him than just being invisible at most points. If they try and he becomes an offensive player only, fine. But they are going to try and mold him into an all-around player who can also score. But at this point, he really isn't even being assertive on offense.

He doesnt get many chances to be fair. The kid can flat out score but when your ice time is limited and when you play with grinders instead of guys who can set you up its hard to score

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02-14-2013, 02:18 PM
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Case in defense of Kreider: "He hasn't done anything!"

Case against Boyle: "He hasn't done anything!"

No double standard here. Just one standard for Boyle, and a completely different standard for Kreider.
Kreider is infinitely more talented than Boyle. That's the argument.

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02-14-2013, 02:18 PM
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Yep, clearly Hank, McDonagh, Staal, Girardi, even Del Zotto have nothing to do with that. Going back to last year- Prust, Fedotenko, etc. In fact the other 29 teams in the NHL blow 3rd period leads, clearly they can't hang on to them without Brian friggin Boyle, amirite?

Seriously, Vancouver didn't lose a game in regulation for several years after taking a lead into the 3rd. How did they do that? Does Brian Boyle play for them too?

MOST teams have great records heading into the 3rd with a lead.
You're argument was to use a few games where the Rangers blew a lead. I say there are a lot more games where they kept the lead and then say they don't matter because Brian Boyle didn't do all the work?

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02-14-2013, 02:20 PM
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He doesnt get many chances to be fair. The kid can flat out score but when your ice time is limited and when you play with grinders instead of guys who can set you up its hard to score
That's part of being a young player in the NHL, especially on a winning team. Most players don't come in and play 20+ minutes a night with the teams best players. He has to figure it out like the thousands of young players before him. He has to use those 10 minutes each game and do things well or else he won't be moved up.

Teams don't just give more minutes to a player because they think he needs more time to be successful. Earn it.

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02-14-2013, 02:22 PM
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You're bound to blow leads once in a blue moon, regardless of your personnel. I've seen Boyle help to protect many more leads than hes blown.

I'm working off a sample size of three games, you're working off a sample size of 100+. I'm not to good with percentages, but i'm gonna wager my argument is a little stronger.
This is so silly. So just because it happened to happen in one of these 3 games that means that Boyle being out is the reason for the collapse? That can't be a coincidence? If I put my money on 25 on the roulette, by your logic if I hit it on the 3rd try I have a higher chance of getting 25 than you do if it took you 100 tries. Maybe it just so happened that coincidentally it hit 25 within 3 tries for me and it took 100 tries for you.

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02-14-2013, 02:23 PM
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02-14-2013, 02:23 PM
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You're argument was to use a few games where the Rangers blew a lead. I say there are a lot more games where they kept the lead and then say they don't matter because Brian Boyle didn't do all the work?
I'm saying it's not proof that we would have kept the lead with Boyle. Boyle wasn't the main reason we kept those leads.

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02-14-2013, 02:24 PM
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That's part of being a young player in the NHL, especially on a winning team. Most players don't come in and play 20+ minutes a night with the teams best players. He has to figure it out like the thousands of young players before him. He has to use those 10 minutes each game and do things well or else he won't be moved up.

Teams don't just give more minutes to a player because they think he needs more time to be successful. Earn it.
Krieder had played well since returing. At least better than miller IMO. His defense was good last game in fact he helped a 2 on 1 boston had on del zotto and i thought his covergaes were good to. I mean the kid cant score every game especially on that line

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Kreider is infinitely more talented than Boyle. That's the argument.
And, IMO, it's a poor argument.

I don't know why a large portion of the fanbase finds it necessary to dissect players into their individual skills compared to what they accomplish.

If I was looking for an investment adviser, I would be interested in seeing their previous investing track record. I have a feeling a large portion of this board would be interested in good posture, solid penmanship, a firm handshake, etc.

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Alright, we need to stop the Boyle discussion in this thread. Let's talk about the Fishstix and all that stuff...


And yes, I am pretty much yelling at myself right now for feeding the animals at the zoo...

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Hmmm, someones got to come out - but I wouldn't have chosen Kreider. I know he hasn't been tearing it up with his play, but I felt like he played a solid defensive game and had good position on the forecheck, was involved - albeit without the speed he needs to bring.

A little perturbed about how they are handling Kreids. Either let him play or send him down - he needs time. Personally I believe he belongs in the NHL and needs to find his game here - and that means playing games.

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The saddest part is, Kreider plays against Boston who is 3 or 4 deep. When we hit a team like the Isles who he can be a difference maker he's scratched.

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