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Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson?

View Poll Results: Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson
Sens fan saying yes 30 3.82%
Pens fan saying no 69 8.78%
Yes 175 22.26%
No 512 65.14%
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02-14-2013, 12:35 PM
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What does him being 21 and on a Canadian team do? what if he was on the bruins?
Just the fact that he's a superstar playing for a pretty decent hockey market, if Cooke was going to target someone Karlsson is one of the dumbest guys to target because he's so marketable. If he was just being a bloodthirsty savage trying to hurt someone, there would be much less outcry if it was a 4th liner than it is when it's an exciting, marketable, Norris winning superstar. It sucks to acknowledge but it's true. If this happened to Peter Regin or Andre Benoit there wouldn't be as much outcry.

Cooke clearly knows where he stands, as evidenced by him changing his game last year and playing clean. I really don't think he'd be dumb enough to target Karlsson of all people.

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02-14-2013, 12:36 PM
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Just the fact that he's a superstar playing for a pretty decent hockey market, if Cooke was going to target someone Karlsson is one of the dumbest guys to target because he's so marketable. If he was just being a bloodthirsty savage trying to hurt someone, there would be much less outcry if it was a 4th liner than it is when it's an exciting, marketable, Norris winning superstar. It sucks to acknowledge but it's true. If this happened to Peter Regin or Andre Benoit there wouldn't be as much outcry.

Cooke clearly knows where he stands, as evidenced by him changing his game last year and playing clean. I really don't think he'd be dumb enough to target Karlsson of all people.
Then you don't know much about Matt Cooke.

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02-14-2013, 12:44 PM
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Of course Cooke intended it... why on earth is he lifting his leg in that situation anyway? It seems he would want to keep his foot on the ice for better control...

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02-14-2013, 12:49 PM
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Not 100% sure but its pretty hard to tell, i'll say no.

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02-14-2013, 12:57 PM
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Nobody can possibly know. Literally, by definition, nobody knows the intent but Cooke himself.

Regardless of whether he meant to do it or not, he should have been aware of where his blades were. They're the most dangerous part of his equipment, and every hockey player should be aware of where they are in relation to other players, especially when they're near the back of the leg in a situation like this. It doesn't help that he has a long, long history of taking liberties with star players and then putting on the innocent act after.

Was it intentional? Impossible to say. Was it careless? Absolutely.

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02-14-2013, 01:04 PM
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It wasn't even careless or reckless, just unfortunate.

ITT people who have never played hockey. Next time you watch a game, notice the way players pin defenders to the boards, then come back here and continue the crying.

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02-14-2013, 01:12 PM
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No, I don't think he intended to injure Karlsson.. but he did go into the corner too carelessly. Have to keep your skates down.

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02-14-2013, 01:36 PM
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The fact that over 100 people voted yes worries me for the future of humanity.

If it wasn't Karlsson and was let's say Wiercoch that was hurt, no one would give two ***** and wouldn't even have been talked about besides a thread with 2 pages.

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02-14-2013, 01:46 PM
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I hate him, but I voted no.

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02-14-2013, 02:13 PM
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The fact that over 100 people voted yes worries me for the future of humanity.

If it wasn't Karlsson and was let's say Wiercoch that was hurt, no one would give two ***** and wouldn't even have been talked about besides a thread with 2 pages.
That might be true, but people might very well hold the same opinion even if the post count was lower.

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02-14-2013, 02:23 PM
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That might be true, but people might very well hold the same opinion even if the post count was lower.
Do you disagree that it's insanity to believe Cooke did this on purpose?

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02-14-2013, 02:44 PM
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Do you disagree that it's insanity to believe Cooke did this on purpose?
"Insanity"? Do you use that word as it is meant to be used? If so, that would be insanity.

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02-14-2013, 02:47 PM
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No doubt he did it on purpose.
No doubt? Is that why so many people have voted that they doubt it?

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02-14-2013, 02:50 PM
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1 in 4 people think this was on purpose? Must be a lot of love for EK or a lot of hate for Cooke.

Nothing play that turned out horrible for the Sens.

I don't remember was there this much uproar when Zednik got his throat slashed?

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02-14-2013, 02:51 PM
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1 in 4 people think this was on purpose? Must be a lot of love for EK or a lot of hate for Cooke.

Nothing play that turned out horrible for the Sens.

I don't remember was there this much uproar when Zednik got his throat slashed?
or when Subban cut Staal's Tendon in the playoffs a few years ago

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02-14-2013, 03:17 PM
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I would argue that Cooke's play is a pretty common play and many hockey players do lift there legs going into the boards when they are going to pin someone.

As for reckless, Cooke's play was as reckless as Karlsson not wearing the Kevlar socks that would have prevented the injury all along.

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02-14-2013, 03:24 PM
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1 in 4 people think this was on purpose? Must be a lot of love for EK or a lot of hate for Cooke.

Nothing play that turned out horrible for the Sens.

I don't remember was there this much uproar when Zednik got his throat slashed?
Do you remember how his throat got slashed? The player fell forward and his skate came into the air and hit Zednik who was behind IIRC.

Cooke lifted his foot and then angled his skate outward then pushed it down on Karlsson's leg from behind.

Whether or not you think the Cooke play was intentional, they aren't comparable in the slightest.

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02-14-2013, 03:38 PM
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Do you remember how his throat got slashed? The player fell forward and his skate came into the air and hit Zednik who was behind IIRC.

Cooke lifted his foot and then angled his skate outward then pushed it down on Karlsson's leg from behind.

Whether or not you think the Cooke play was intentional, they aren't comparable in the slightest.
Confirmation bias. Pure and simple. Sens fans and Cooke haters are going to see what they want to see. The rest of us will just chalk it up as a bad result from a routine play. That group includes plenty of people who hate Cooke, by the way, including myself.

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02-14-2013, 04:42 PM
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Do you remember how his throat got slashed? The player fell forward and his skate came into the air and hit Zednik who was behind IIRC.

Cooke lifted his foot and then angled his skate outward then pushed it down on Karlsson's leg from behind.

Whether or not you think the Cooke play was intentional, they aren't comparable in the slightest.
Maybe it looks like that when you watch the video in slow motion 1000 times while seething in rage and disappointment. I just saw a guy off-balance. Obviously not intentional.

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02-14-2013, 04:46 PM
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A lot of people here are completely naive. It's Matt Cooke we are talking about here. Hello.

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02-14-2013, 04:47 PM
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Then you don't know much about Matt Cooke.
He hasn't done anything since his career has been on the line, so I think it's pretty clear that he hasn't been dumb enough up until this incident. The idea that he would just randomly forget what he was working so hard to change out of the blue is silly.

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A lot of people here are completely naive. It's Matt Cooke we are talking about here. Hello.
I actually think you are the one being naive.

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I actually think you are the one being naive.
So players stomp on each other all the time out there? Huh, didn't know that.

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02-14-2013, 05:15 PM
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So we can conclude he doesn't go in with the intent. To lacerate his Achilles tendon. As for the stomp: grab a friend, tell him to stand on one foot, and give him a small nudge. First instinct is to put the foot off the ground, on the ground. It's what happens, nothing else.

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Poll needs another category, "Boston fan voting Yes."

I'm not a fan of Cooke. I don't think he's an evil guy off the ice, but he's been a very dirty player over his career and I don't really respect the way he played.

That said, this looked like an accident to me. Intentionally trying to slice a guys Achilles in a regular season game, when there's no history between the players, just makes absolutely no sense. If it wasn't Cooke, I'm sure even less people would be thinking this was intentional.

It was an awkward play, but nothing dirty about it. Some people are determined to believe that Cooke is the devil, regardless of the evidence or counter-arguments, but I think most people who see it objectively see it as a freak accident.

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