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02-14-2013, 12:53 PM
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To each their own, but I'd have to be tripping on some serious acid in order to admire that.

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Yeah, a building covered in rust is what I want to play in!

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MSG is one of the easiest venues to get to because of its location atop Penn Station. They just spent millions on renovating it. Great topic for an article.

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He is just saying that there is no reason for the city to give the Dolans a gift forever. He is right. Give them 10 years for now and the situation can be reassessed in 10 years. What does NYC gain by giving Dolan an in perpetuity license to operate an arena?

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He is just saying that there is no reason for the city to give the Dolans a gift forever. He is right. Give them 10 years for now and the situation can be reassessed in 10 years. What does NYC gain by giving Dolan an in perpetuity license to operate an arena?
Well then there's your article right there. Your last two sentences form a compelling enough argument. The "aging and oppressive," "eyesore" and "daily blight" bits just reek of ******** editorializing from some elitist art and architecture snob. Maybe that's something his usual audience enjoys, but you can't expect a community of hockey fans, most of whom revere the building, to appreciate it.

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Yeah, a building covered in rust is what I want to play in!
Isn't that just trying to blend in with the rest of Brooklyn?

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02-14-2013, 01:34 PM
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I completely agree with him that Penn Station should have never been demolished in the first place - definitely one of the biggest mistakes the city has ever made in a planning sense IMO - and I agree that there's only so much that can be done with MSG's exterior, which, in my personal opinion, isn't very appealing though I have strong feelings for the building overall. On the other hand, the new Penn station has been a disaster since inception and there are TONS of ugly buildings that nobody is up in arms about, most notably, that hideous Verizon tower near City Hall...that thing is an eyesore.

Never should have demolished old Penn. Can't emphasize that enough. Do a quick google image search of the building if you've never seen it - it was a masterpiece in classic New York style.

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If money grew on trees this wouldn't be a bad idea. The whole idea of closing the Garden and building a new one is so implausible from several different angles. He complains about how Dolan gets a tax break, yet if another arena has to be built won't the taxpayers be forced to foot part of the bill anyway? Not to mention taxpayers will have to also foot the cost of 1) tearing down the Garden and 2) completely renovating Penn Station. Oh, and how the hell are you going to tear down the Garden and completely renovate Penn Station while 600,000 people go through there every day? Anyone who commutes to Jersey or LI knows how crowds, congestion and delayed trains affect the daily commute. Imagine if there was MAJOR construction going on? My god this guy is living in fantasy land.


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And this is so much more aesthetically pleasing?

It looks like the dad from The Brady Bunch designed it.

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02-14-2013, 02:24 PM
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I love the garden, every thing about it.

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Lets wrap the garden with glass, and cover it with lights and a pretty new sign, then it will blend in with all the other "aesthetically pleasing" cookie cutter arenas around the nhl.

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Kimmelman must be joking...

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I love it too, it's so unique and has a strange feel to it. Just makes me happy being there. Other arenas feel like...nothing. The Prudential Center is nice, but, so what?
I agree.

The Prudential Center feels like a mall. And the surrounding area is garbage.

MSG is beautiful. Especially after the renovations.

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I'll take MSG (less the ticket prices) over anywhere else any time.

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I love the garden, every thing about it.
Me, too.

The only thing i don't like, are the bridges that will be put in.

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02-14-2013, 03:18 PM
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I agree.

The Prudential Center feels like a mall. And the surrounding area is garbage.

MSG is beautiful. Especially after the renovations.
Like a mall! Exactly. I love walking out of MSG and being in the center of the world. Plus I lived in the New Yorker hotel for 2 semesters, and my windows faced the Garden. That was awesome.

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I can't really wax poetic about a structure that was demolished 50 years ago. I mean, that's ancient history at this point and, while I didn't read the article, I really can't see what's so bad about having MSG right above Penn Station. That's about as convenient as it gets no matter where you're coming from - no subway, no buses, no long walk, etc... just an escalator and a few stairs and you're there.

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I can say as an outsider, that it is unequivocally 'the world's most famous arena'. A tradition like the one which that building has should never be tossed aside, unless there are serious, serious reasons. What I mean by that is a situation in which say, the building is structurally unsound and is condemned, or it no longer functions as a profitable entity and no one wants to run it. Don't think MSG fits either of these criteria.

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To each their own, but I'd have to be tripping on some serious acid in order to admire that.
Go to it.

It works. Well.

And at night it's gorgeous.

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As a commuter, I couldn't give a wet ***** what Penn looks like. I'm in, i'm out.

It serves its purpose. I'm not going to sit there and admire verandas and murals or whatever with the homeless guy picking through garbage right next to me.

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To each their own, but I'd have to be tripping on some serious acid in order to admire that.
I always wanted to do that at MSG, too many people though, haha.

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