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02-11-2013, 01:36 PM
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The number of players over 90 OVR would be ridiculous, so no. Personally, I feel they should just get rid of the overall rating altogether and focus more on roles instead.

If they keep the OVR system, they need to tweak it for sure. For forwards, overall should weight it more on offense than it currently does (defensive awareness is the highest-weighted attribute for a forward's overall and stick checking isn't far behind) as well as balance it more for non-offensive attributes (too many attributes have no or minimal effect on OVR) and for dmen, it needs to be more balanced (overall relies almost exclusively on defensive awareness, stick checking, and strength). It's why you see all-star dmen like Brian Campbell and Erik Karlsson with such low overall ratings and "roles."

After they've tweaked it, it should be something along the lines of:

95-99 = Generational talent
90-94 = Superstar
85-89 = 1st line/top pair/elite goaltender
80-84 = 2nd line/2nd pair/starting goaltender
75-79 = 3rd line/3rd pair/backup goaltender
70-74 = 4th line/depth forward/depth dman/depth goaltender

This is almost what they have now when you start, but of course, it's nowhere like that several years in.

Right now, once you're a few seasons in, almost every 3.5 star or higher guy is 80 or higher, which is ludicrous given the number of 3.5 star guys. Even some of the 3-star guys are hitting 80 and up. So you end up with the same problem you had in years past, which is what they "tried" to get rid of this year; too many guys with similar overalls and not enough difference between the top tier guys and the bottom tier guys.

Player development is in need of some heavy tweaking, too. For one, you should be able to develop a player how you want to. I like how they've tied development to player type, but they should give you the option of changing the player type and development shouldn't stop at age 25. Players adapt their games all the time and the ones who don't often find themselves out of the NHL before they retire. Development, as is, is a complete train-wreck for the most part. Some attributes skyrocket, others barely change at all. There needs to be a better balance, but still a weighted system for various player types. And, one thing that definitely needs to go is tying stars to an overall range.
this is a very good post. I really like the role chart and last paragraph. but my biggest problem with development is there's no rhyme or reason. with the system I proposed I was trying to give an explanation on why your highly drafted players either bust or take 7 years to crack an nhl lineup. my examples probably weren't great so let my try again using your role chart. the percentage just shows how likely each individual is to reach that role, i.e. if they have a 35% in 2nd line player they have a good chance of being a 2nd line player

average top 10 pick- 1% generational talent, 4% superstar, 25% first line, 30% second line, 15% 3rd line 15% 4th line 10% bust chance
1st round pick- 2% superstar, 15% first line, 25% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 18% bust chance
2nd round pick- 1% superstar, 10% first line, 20% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 29% bust chance
3rd round pick- .5% superstar, 5% first line, 15% second line 25%third line, 20% fourth line 34.5% bust chance
4th round pick- .1% superstar, 1% first line, 5% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 43.9% bust chance
5th round pick- 0% superstar, .5% first line, 1% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 48.5% bust chance
6th round pick- 0% superstar, .1% first line, .5% second line 10%third line, 20% fourth line 69.4% bust chance
7th round pick- 0% superstar, 0% first line, .1% second line 5%third line, 20% fourth line 74.9% bust chance
these are averages so occasionally you would find late round picks that have small 1st line potentials that end up being gems. also I think the potential would have to change if someone has a big season. so if a 4th round prospect scores 30 goals he would receive a bump in his 1st line and 2nd line chances and lower his bust chances. do you think this is any better than my previous proposal?

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02-11-2013, 03:08 PM
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this is a very good post. I really like the role chart and last paragraph. but my biggest problem with development is there's no rhyme or reason. with the system I proposed I was trying to give an explanation on why your highly drafted players either bust or take 7 years to crack an nhl lineup. my examples probably weren't great so let my try again using your role chart. the percentage just shows how likely each individual is to reach that role, i.e. if they have a 35% in 2nd line player they have a good chance of being a 2nd line player

average top 10 pick- 1% generational talent, 4% superstar, 25% first line, 30% second line, 15% 3rd line 15% 4th line 10% bust chance
1st round pick- 2% superstar, 15% first line, 25% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 18% bust chance
2nd round pick- 1% superstar, 10% first line, 20% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 29% bust chance
3rd round pick- .5% superstar, 5% first line, 15% second line 25%third line, 20% fourth line 34.5% bust chance
4th round pick- .1% superstar, 1% first line, 5% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 43.9% bust chance
5th round pick- 0% superstar, .5% first line, 1% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 48.5% bust chance
6th round pick- 0% superstar, .1% first line, .5% second line 10%third line, 20% fourth line 69.4% bust chance
7th round pick- 0% superstar, 0% first line, .1% second line 5%third line, 20% fourth line 74.9% bust chance
these are averages so occasionally you would find late round picks that have small 1st line potentials that end up being gems. also I think the potential would have to change if someone has a big season. so if a 4th round prospect scores 30 goals he would receive a bump in his 1st line and 2nd line chances and lower his bust chances. do you think this is any better than my previous proposal?
I would add a .001%-.01% chance of superstar for the later (5-7) rounds, but that's just me.

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02-11-2013, 05:50 PM
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this is a very good post. I really like the role chart and last paragraph. but my biggest problem with development is there's no rhyme or reason. with the system I proposed I was trying to give an explanation on why your highly drafted players either bust or take 7 years to crack an nhl lineup. my examples probably weren't great so let my try again using your role chart. the percentage just shows how likely each individual is to reach that role, i.e. if they have a 35% in 2nd line player they have a good chance of being a 2nd line player

average top 10 pick- 1% generational talent, 4% superstar, 25% first line, 30% second line, 15% 3rd line 15% 4th line 10% bust chance
1st round pick- 2% superstar, 15% first line, 25% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 18% bust chance
2nd round pick- 1% superstar, 10% first line, 20% second line 20%third line, 20% fourth line 29% bust chance
3rd round pick- .5% superstar, 5% first line, 15% second line 25%third line, 20% fourth line 34.5% bust chance
4th round pick- .1% superstar, 1% first line, 5% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 43.9% bust chance
5th round pick- 0% superstar, .5% first line, 1% second line 20%third line, 30% fourth line 48.5% bust chance
6th round pick- 0% superstar, .1% first line, .5% second line 10%third line, 20% fourth line 69.4% bust chance
7th round pick- 0% superstar, 0% first line, .1% second line 5%third line, 20% fourth line 74.9% bust chance
these are averages so occasionally you would find late round picks that have small 1st line potentials that end up being gems. also I think the potential would have to change if someone has a big season. so if a 4th round prospect scores 30 goals he would receive a bump in his 1st line and 2nd line chances and lower his bust chances. do you think this is any better than my previous proposal?
Overall a really solid post, but up the superstar chances for 2-7 round picks just a little.

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02-14-2013, 05:01 PM
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for players that are 2.5 green or 3.5 green stars will they ever pan out to be a decent player or shud i just let them go/trade them? example Conner Brown, Ryan Rupert for the leafs??

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for players that are 2.5 green or 3.5 green stars will they ever pan out to be a decent player or shud i just let them go/trade them? example Conner Brown, Ryan Rupert for the leafs??
3.5 green usually hits mid-80s OVR, so yes, definitely hold onto those guys.

2.5 green is generally high 70s. A bit more iffy depending on their player type and your team. Most player types should be fine, but SNP and PLY are generally not good enough physically or defensively for you to want to use them in your bottom 6 unless you're going with an all-offense approach. 2.5 green goaltenders are basically guaranteed career backup/minor league goalies, so they shouldn't be a high priority to hold onto.

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02-15-2013, 07:32 AM
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I like that some prospects develope fast so that they can help the big club but there's also some issues. They tend to get hurt a lot, some struggle to put up decent numbers but the worst is they all want insane amounts of money after only 2 years in the league. It gets worthless to have a bunch of high draft picks cause you either can't afford them all or you have a bunch of cheap scrubs with a few stars and the team isn't very good.

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I like that some prospects develope fast so that they can help the big club but there's also some issues. They tend to get hurt a lot, some struggle to put up decent numbers but the worst is they all want insane amounts of money after only 2 years in the league. It gets worthless to have a bunch of high draft picks cause you either can't afford them all or you have a bunch of cheap scrubs with a few stars and the team isn't very good.
I wish EA would have the players asking for contracts based on production rather than overall, like, you know, real life. Way too often players who haven't really done anything are asking for star money.

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or at least a mix of attributes and production.

I also hate how players no longer come down on salary expectations as the year progresses. For example, Jonathan Toews didn't get signed in my BAGM as his asking price and term was too high. I checked shortly after the all-star break and it had actually gone up from July!

No jobless player is going to be asking for $11.5M x 5 years in February. Give me a break ...

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or at least a mix of attributes and production.

I also hate how players no longer come down on salary expectations as the year progresses. For example, Jonathan Toews didn't get signed in my BAGM as his asking price and term was too high. I checked shortly after the all-star break and it had actually gone up from July!

No jobless player is going to be asking for $11.5M x 5 years in February. Give me a break ...
He obviously defected to the KHL

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I know it's been mentioned but I hate that you can't resign players midseason or do an extension preseason for someone who's contract ends the next season.

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A little OT but I ask for player dev reasons: can you DL the newest official rosters without an online pass?

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Can someone plz answer this??

I've had Carey price in multiple gm connected leagues now. His overall always starts at 90 with 4.5 green star potential. By the next season, IN EVERY LEAGUE I'VE HAD HIM IN, he downgrades to an 88 ovr. It doesn't matter on his stats as all of his seasons he has had an under 2.25 gaa and over 900 save percentage.

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I've seen him bounce anywhere between 86 and 92 OVR, but 88 seems to be the most common after the first year, even if he wins every goaltending trophy.

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Any advice on who to draft In the 2013 entry draft?

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Any advice on who to draft In the 2013 entry draft?
Klimchuck > everyone else

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Klimchuck > everyone else
When u draft him.... Is he always a 73? Or do u need to scout him before the draft

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Any advice on who to draft In the 2013 entry draft?
It depends on what you want. Do you want someone who starts at a high OVR who'll ask for $10mil at 22 or someone who'll slowly develope you can keep cheaper..

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It depends on what you want. Do you want someone who starts at a high OVR who'll ask for $10mil at 22 or someone who'll slowly develope you can keep cheaper..
High overall

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High overall
Drouin or Shinkurik are the two best I've seen, both are in the 70's draft year and 80's after a year in junior.

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On my third season with the leafs been just simming it all till the last roster update after the trade deadline but anyways Phil Kessel after a 93 pt season, ask for a 6 yr 10 mill per. And colbourne played each yr in the A, turned out to be a 80 Overal by the start of the third asking for 3 million dollars, they shud deffinilty fix that he hasnt proved nothing just by overal/line position. So i gotta wheel and deal ppl, so i traded Dion for 3 firsts to tampa, traded Lies for a First and a 3rd. brought up Reilly and Blacker is turing into something special.

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Any advice on who to draft In the 2013 entry draft?
I always take Drouin because he turns out a beast every time. In his first 4 Nhl season for me he had 40+ goal seasons. While being a GM a different time he had 7 consecutive 90+ points season and 4 of them were 100+.

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I was just completely fed up with Nino's development so i saved right before the year change (15-16 Season).

He won the Calder Cup with 8g 13a in the playoffs (and 11g 21a during the season) on a stacked AHL team (bc of all these ridicoulous AHL signings you cant control). Really picked it up in the end of the year.

Ofc i also had an eye on my 3 top prospects (Bärtschi, Reinhart and Seguin), here's what happened:


First simulation
Nino from 69 to 72 OVR
Reinhart from 86 to 89 OVR (Calder and Norris Winner)
Bärtschi from 86 to 89 OVR (Richard Trophy with 53 goals)
Seguin from 87 to 87 OVR (he missed half the season with injuries)

Second time
Nino from 69 to 70
Reinhart from 86 to 88
Bärtschi from 86 to 87
Seguin from 87 to 86

Third time
Nino from 69 to 71
Reinhart from 86 to 88
Bärtschi from 86 to 89
Seguin from 87 to 87

Fourth time
Nino from 69 to 72
Reinhart from 86 to 88
Bärtschi from 86 to 88
Seguin from 87 to 87

I took that.

There wasnt a single game to be played, yet the outcome was always different. I wont go too far into the details, but that was because progress in the attributes was random at best.

In one sim Nino improved his Shot from 81 to 89, in another he went from 81 to 78. Same with most other attributes (except the physical ones) with every player. Heck, the Rocket Richard Winner "improved" his shot during a 53 goals regular season with 21s% from 99 accuracy to 96 accuracy in one sim.

Anyone has the same weirdness happening at years end?


At least i figured out how to max out the development of my "problem children". just sim the years end until you get the maximum he can jump over the year. Only thing there's to figure out is, if they actually have to play good, or if that doesnt matter at all.
I have a good story about him. I picked him up UFA somewhere around 2020 I believe. I was playing as Detroit and Nyquist wanted about $8 million a year so I let him walk and signed Nino to replace him. He was nothing special. Somewhere around 82-83. Let me say, I usually only sim on my NHL team and play mostly AHL Games. I literally stuck him on the first line on the left wing and he led the league in goals and scoring for five straight years. Now, he was playing with a great center (cant remember his name) and a above average playmaking RW. He literally scored 50 goals in 50 games his first year. I never had that before straight simming.

Now the question is, why? Did his attributes just match the other two that it was a perfect storm? Who knows. I still like playing the game but I honestly think I prefer 2012 and hopefully the player growth is addressed this year. Somehow I dont think it will due to them doing it with 2013.

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Anybody else notice that players have a high jump in OVR the offseason they are a due a new contract?

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Anybody else notice that players have a high jump in OVR the offseason they are a due a new contract?

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