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Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson?

View Poll Results: Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson
Sens fan saying yes 30 3.82%
Pens fan saying no 69 8.78%
Yes 175 22.26%
No 512 65.14%
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02-14-2013, 05:38 PM
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No intent, Cooke should've been suspended though.

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02-14-2013, 05:39 PM
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02-14-2013, 06:13 PM
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No intent, Cooke should've been suspended though.
Why should he be suspended if there was no intent? makes zero logical sense.

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02-14-2013, 06:52 PM
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Why should he be suspended if there was no intent? makes zero logical sense.
It was still a reckless play. The player should be held responsible for his stick & skates no matter the intent.

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02-14-2013, 06:53 PM
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Why should he be suspended if there was no intent? makes zero logical sense.
You could argue it was both reckless and clumsy. To me this is not so much Karlssons accident as it is Cooke's. Cooke did not intend this, but he is 100% to blame, hockey play or not. Karlsson is simply a blameless victim.

Not saying Cooke should be suspended, but he is solely to blame for this incident.

If this was a car accident Cooke's insurance would foot the bill 100%.

Having said all that, if the NHL is going to continue to allow players to raise their skates like that when battling from behind, they better all get some protection in that vulnerable area. Someone called it a "freak accident"? How unlikely is it, if this technique is seen as effective and raising the skate that high becomes more common? There is a reason kicking is totally taboo, and if that is a hockey play it is not a very safe one.

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02-14-2013, 06:57 PM
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You could argue it was both reckless and clumsy. To me this is not so much Karlssons accident as it is Cooke's. Cooke did not intend this, but he is 100% to blame, hockey play or not. Karlsson is simply a blameless victim.

Not saying Cooke should be suspended, but he is solely to blame for this incident.

If this was a car accident Cooke's insurance would foot the bill 100%.

Having said all that, if the NHL is going to continue to allow players to raise their skates like that when battling from behind, they better all get some protection in that vulnerable area. Someone called it a "freak accident"? How unlikely is it, if this technique is seen as effective and raising the skate that high becomes more common? There is a reason kicking is totally taboo, and if that is a hockey play it is not a very safe one.
Sure regarding your insurance analogy but guess what, they don't take away your drivers license even if you're the one considered at fault in the accident.

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02-14-2013, 07:14 PM
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Where is the option for "intended to hit with the skate, did not think about possible consequences."

Should be suspended the rest of the season

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02-14-2013, 07:15 PM
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Sure regarding your insurance analogy but guess what, they don't take away your drivers license even if you're the one considered at fault in the accident.
Thus my "not saying Cooke should be suspended"...

Cooke might, not impossibly, feel a little bit of mild remorse... maybe...but more likely feels it is just Karlsson's tough luck.

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02-14-2013, 07:19 PM
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Thus my "not saying Cooke should be suspended"...

Cooke might, not impossibly, feel a little bit of mild remorse... maybe...but more likely feels it is just Karlsson's tough luck.
my apologies, i missed that part when i read your reply.

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02-14-2013, 07:20 PM
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I hate Cooke more than any other player in the league, but there is no way in hell he meant to do that.

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02-14-2013, 09:32 PM
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I heard Karlsson stole Tonya Harding's lunch money, and she hired Cooke to get him back.

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02-14-2013, 09:36 PM
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I think a lot of people are confused by the use of 'intent.' Lots of people think Cooke intended to slew foot him or kicked out/down at him. I haven't really heard many people who think Cooke was trying something illegal say Cooke intended to slice his achilles tendon, yet they argue against that like that's the position of those who call it intentional. Intent to injure yes, intent to cut his achilles tendon with his blade... well that would be quite a trick and of course that sounds outrageous.

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02-14-2013, 10:18 PM
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People actually voted yes? Man hf boards has some homers and Cooke haters

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02-14-2013, 10:27 PM
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I hate Cooke more than any other player in the league, but there is no way in hell he meant to do that.
Explain, in detail please, how he didn't intend to do it. I think I might need a new pair of glasses,.....I could have sworn I saw him raise his leg up, and then step it down on the top of his ankle. I must be missing something here.

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02-14-2013, 10:29 PM
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I can't really tell if its intentional or accidental but Cooke should be suspended. He shouldn't be given
the benefit of the doubt.

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02-14-2013, 10:31 PM
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100% hockey play and to suggest otherwise has never played contact hockey. I actually feel bad for Cooke having this criticism directed at him regardless of his history

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02-14-2013, 10:40 PM
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Where are the Sens fan saying no/Pens fan saying yes options?

Sens fan saying no.

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02-14-2013, 10:44 PM
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I'm a Pens fan. There are two opinions I disagree with: those who say it was absolutely intentional and those who say it was absolutely unintentional.

I'd like to believe that it was an accident but this is Matt Cooke we're talking about. There is no way we'll ever know for sure either way.

There should have been other options in the poll.

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02-14-2013, 11:31 PM
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People actually voted yes? Man hf boards has some homers and Cooke haters
Observation of the year.

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02-15-2013, 05:24 AM
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Explain, in detail please, how he didn't intend to do it. I think I might need a new pair of glasses,.....I could have sworn I saw him raise his leg up, and then step it down on the top of his ankle. I must be missing something here.
He was trying to pin him to the boards.

It's the same as someone getting hit in the face from with a stick from the follow through of a shot. You see someone whip their stick in the direction of someone's face and it hits them. It's a hockey play.

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02-15-2013, 09:19 AM
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So players stomp on each other all the time out there? Huh, didn't know that.
No, I think you are being naive by painting Cooke as some moustache-twirling villain. I am saying players very, very rarely use their skates as weapons. You are the one that seemed to think it was a stomp; I do not.

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02-15-2013, 09:29 AM
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No, I think you are being naive by painting Cooke as some moustache-twirling villain. I am saying players very, very rarely use their skates as weapons. You are the one that seemed to think it was a stomp; I do not.
Did you see the video? It's a clear stomp, there's no argument there. The only thing that you can question is the intent. Was he trying to stomp down to the ice or on Karlsson's leg is the question, not the presence of a stomp.

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02-15-2013, 09:35 AM
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100% no from ne, this type of play where the skates come off the ice happen 50 times a game, has nothing to do with control on cookes part. Went to pin him, freak accident occured. Next time you watch a game look at how many times skates come off the ice in that excact manner. I feel terrible for EK but this stuff just happens once in a while. The games played with sharpened steel tied to your feet.

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02-15-2013, 09:50 AM
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100% hockey play and to suggest otherwise has never played contact hockey. I actually feel bad for Cooke having this criticism directed at him regardless of his history
This is exactly how I feel. It was clear to me he was losing his balance going into the corner.

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02-15-2013, 11:40 AM
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Of course Cooke intended it... why on earth is he lifting his leg in that situation anyway? It seems he would want to keep his foot on the ice for better control...
If you think that, then you clearly have not played a high level of hockey (or hockey at all) and dont know what its like to pin a better player against the boards, especially when youre off balance in the first place.

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