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02-15-2013, 03:44 AM
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Everyone agrees on Staal/Girardi both being there?

I dunno, if you want elite shutdown pairings then yes. I think that would be a great pair. Doubt that they make it though, maybe one of them.


Weber, Pietrangelo, Keith, Seabrook, Doughty, Girardi, Staal and so on. There is a few interesting ones.

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You can have the same "argument" in basically every tournament team Canada entering.

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JVR-Pavelski-Kane
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I could easily see them shutting down the Canadian attack.

at the bolded players. Dubinsky but no Callahan. No McDonagh, no Yandle? And so on...

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Hamhuis should be on the team paired with Weber.
I agree that he should be on the team, but personally i think Doughty makes the most sense as a partner for him.

Lets Doughty roam around as he does...Hamhuis has the defensive conscience and skating to cover for him. And Doughty still brings the size and physicality to the pairing.

Frees up Weber to play with a guy like Keith, which seems like he obvious 'top pairing'.


Can't go wrong either way though. Both guys would work well either way.

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at the bolded players. Dubinsky but no Callahan. No McDonagh, no Yandle? And so on...
Martin is playing like he is worth the $5m now.

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Well, i kind of like that it is 1 game elimination. Gives more chance to other teams to win it.

How come you don't care about the Olympics? The ultimate games for NT. Best and most passionate hockey for me.

(Excluding the SCF's but my team rarely gets there.)
I enjoy the hockey but I don't use the results as some sort of gauge of "the state of Canadian hockey", or American or Russian or whatever. The results are all but meaningless to me because of how random hockey can be in such a small sample size, plus throwing together 20 random guys for a couple weeks makes it feel even less substantial. A bunch of 7 game
series' isn't perfect either but it's more of an equalizer and I feel like something has actually been proven by a real team that grows together.

But I do enjoy Olympic hockey anyway, it's intense and inherently exciting because of the insane skill level, sense of tradition, and novelty of the opportunity for the players. And if Canada wins or a rival loses of course I'm gonna revel on the posturing. But its just dumb fun for me rather than real pride.

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02-15-2013, 05:44 AM
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Are you a new hockey fan? look at what happened in 2006 and get back to me.

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Sweden's d-corps > Every other nations'

They are absolutely sick.
Canada D > all other nations.

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so you're basically saying, for example, that Pietrangelo is way better than Kronwall while OEL is way worse than Keith?
Letang>Kronwall and OEL
Doughty>Kronwall and OEL
Weber>Kronwall and OEL
Keith>OEL

Disputing this evinces that you do not regularly watch NHL games featuring these players.

(This is as objective as it gets, Weber is better than Kron at the best part of Krondaddies game and better than OEL at the best part of his game)
Also OEL is not the #1 d-man on his team, if you deny that then you just can't yandle the truth.

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Letang>Kronwall and OEL
Doughty>Kronwall and OEL
Weber>Kronwall and OEL
Keith>OEL

Disputing this evinces that you do not regularly watch NHL games featuring these players.
Not too sure about Keith > OEL
but the rest i can agree with.

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Doesn't matter if we have a great D core if we don't have any coaching.

We really need to sort that thing out first.

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Karlsson is about as good as Weber. There are no other swedish d-men as good as any of the top 6 Canadian defenders.
No but there's still time for improvement. Hedman, OEL... Karlsson, Edler, Enstrom and not the least Kronwall is all formidable players and except for Enstrom we will be HUUUUGE. Kronwall wont go for any offense, he will be there to Kronwall you. We will also have a really well balanced forward corp making up some of Canadas obvious wealth of offensive talent. You have too much so the forwards often is a bit unbalanced when it comes to defensive specialists. Take Steen for example, he will have a defensive role which could take out one of your offensive weapons.


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I enjoy the hockey but I don't use the results as some sort of gauge of "the state of Canadian hockey", or American or Russian or whatever. The results are all but meaningless to me because of how random hockey can be in such a small sample size, plus throwing together 20 random guys for a couple weeks makes it feel even less substantial. A bunch of 7 game
series' isn't perfect either but it's more of an equalizer and I feel like something has actually been proven by a real team that grows together.

But I do enjoy Olympic hockey anyway, it's intense and inherently exciting because of the insane skill level, sense of tradition, and novelty of the opportunity for the players. And if Canada wins or a rival loses of course I'm gonna revel on the posturing. But its just dumb fun for me rather than real pride.
Oh, i agree with this. If i were to born in NA i would probably put more weight in the NHL play-offs. The thing is tough, that someone living outside NA is going to have very hard time of forming a favorite NHL team. Of course there are few hard-core fans who follow the NHL intensively but most casual fans never get the chance to grow in a team.

Like most Toronto people will die with the Leafs due to the fact that it is their own city team and so.

I put more value on winning a Cup than Olympic gold but i enjoy the short Olympic games more intensively. Mainly cause the only team i learned to love as a young boy was the Finnish NT.

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Jeff Skinner -- Sidney Crosby 'C' -- Steven Stamkos
John Tavares -- Claude Giroux -- James Neal
Eric Staal -- Jonathan Toews 'A' -- Rick Nash 'A'
Jamie Benn -- Patrice Bergeron -- Tyler Seguin
Jordan Eberle
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Shea Weber 'A' -- Drew Doughty
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Duncan Kieth -- Brent Seabrook
Dan Girardi -- Kris Letang
P.K. Subban --

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I enjoy the hockey but I don't use the results as some sort of gauge of "the state of Canadian hockey", or American or Russian or whatever. The results are all but meaningless to me because of how random hockey can be in such a small sample size, plus throwing together 20 random guys for a couple weeks makes it feel even less substantial. A bunch of 7 game
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But I do enjoy Olympic hockey anyway, it's intense and inherently exciting because of the insane skill level, sense of tradition, and novelty of the opportunity for the players. And if Canada wins or a rival loses of course I'm gonna revel on the posturing. But its just dumb fun for me rather than real pride.
What are you talking about that's what sport is all about, medals.

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Considering that a team with these players
Patrice Bergeron
Dan Boyle
Martin Brodeur
Sidney Crosby
Drew Doughty
Marc-André Fleury
Ryan Getzlaf
Dany Heatley
Jarome Iginla
Duncan Keith
Roberto Luongo
Patrick Marleau
Brenden Morrow
Rick Nash
Scott Niedermayer
Corey Perry
Chris Pronger
Mike Richards
Brent Seabrook
Eric Staal
Joe Thornton
Jonathan Toews
Shea Weber

needed a OT and a shootout to beat Switzerland in the last Olympics, you should know that having the best team on paper doesnt mean you'll steamroll everyone else

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Considering that a team with these players
Patrice Bergeron
Dan Boyle
Martin Brodeur
Sidney Crosby
Drew Doughty
Marc-André Fleury
Ryan Getzlaf
Dany Heatley
Jarome Iginla
Duncan Keith
Roberto Luongo
Patrick Marleau
Brenden Morrow
Rick Nash
Scott Niedermayer
Corey Perry
Chris Pronger
Mike Richards
Brent Seabrook
Eric Staal
Joe Thornton
Jonathan Toews
Shea Weber

needed a OT and a shootout to beat Switzerland in the last Olympics, you should know that having the best team on paper doesnt mean you'll steamroll everyone else
We steamrolled Russia with that team, that was a great sight. Switzerland always plays us hard... iirc they shut us out 2-0 in 06 lol.

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We steamrolled Russia with that team, that was a great sight. Switzerland always plays us hard... iirc they shut us out 2-0 in 06 lol.
They are to you what Finland is to the US (always seem to beat us in the Worlds)

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What are you talking about that's what sport is all about, medals.
Methodology is also important to me. The win is the only important thing during a game, but if its won during a shootout I tend to feel pretty ambivalent about it. The Habs beat the Lightning the other night, but it didn't FEEL like a win because of how they did it. They proved nothing to me with that cheap shootout win after blowing a lead.

Not that I'm saying the Olympics is meaningless, but it's the same general idea. I don't care for single elimination because it never convinces me that this team is better than that one (and god forbid the gold is won in a shootout... now THAT would feel cheesy). I'm a biased North American though, international tournaments are not my thing. I think only another Cold War could make me feel excited about them in a meaningful way.


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Letang>Kronwall and OEL
Doughty>Kronwall and OEL
Weber>Kronwall and OEL
Keith>OEL

Disputing this evinces that you do not regularly watch NHL games featuring these players.

(This is as objective as it gets, Weber is better than Kron at the best part of Krondaddies game and better than OEL at the best part of his game)
Also OEL is not the #1 d-man on his team, if you deny that then you just can't yandle the truth.
Took it from the thread which discuss this (hint). Not your pairings, but still of interest. Numbers are from last season and yes points is not all, etc, etc.

Weber (49) > Karlsson (78)
Pietrangelo (51) > OEL (32)
Doughty(36) > Enstrom (33)
Letang (42)> Edler (49)
Seabrook (34) > Kronwall (36)
Keith (40)> Hedman (23)

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Well, this certainly isn't the first time someone's said the same thing about a Canadian men's team. Looking at history though, you'll see that:

- Tretiak and his comrades took the NHL's best to their limit in '72, requiring an infamous plea to the fans from Esposito and days later, some last-minute magic in Moscow in the deciding 8th game.

- Tretiak again stole the show in 81, beating a roster of hall of famers and leaving the Forum with the Canada Cup (well, Eagleson prevented them from actually taking the trophy )

- In '96 another hot goalie puts on a clinic on Montreal ice, this time defeating Canada in a best of 3 to capture the first world cup. Richter is named MVP.

- Hasek is unbeatable, leading an unheralded yet solid side to an unexpected Gold medal victory in Nagano.

Seriously do these names and others (Salo's shootout heroics in Norway, Gerber's shutout in Torino, or even the last Olympics where Hiller took the Canadians to a shootout, Miller stymied them in the round-robin and forced overtime in the final) mean nothing? Are our collective memories really so short?

I mean the 2004 World Cup was probably the last time in recent memory where Canada played to their fans expectations and easily walked away with Gold. Hockey isn't played on paper.

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Took it from the thread which discuss this (hint). Not your pairings, but still of interest. Numbers are from last season and yes points is not all, etc, etc.

Weber (49) > Karlsson (78)
Pietrangelo (51) > OEL (32)
Doughty(36) > Enstrom (33)
Letang (42)> Edler (49)
Seabrook (34) > Kronwall (36)
Keith (40)> Hedman (23)
Points are not everything to ones game.
Seabrook brings much more to the game than Kronwall than the difference of 2 points... just 1 example.

Canada D > Sveden D

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Methodology is also important to me. The win is the only important thing during a game, but if its won during a shootout I tend to feel pretty ambivalent about it. The Habs beat the Lightning the other night, but it didn't FEEL like a win because of how they did it. They proved nothing to me with that cheap shootout win after blowing a lead.

Not that I'm saying the Olympics is meaningless, but it's the same general idea. I don't care single elimination because it never convinces me that this team is better than that one (and god forbid the gold is won in a shootout... now THAT would feel cheesy). I'm a biased North American though, international tournaments are not my thing.
All right i can accept that. In my book it's the score that means everything, however you get it. You (hopefully) play by the rules and see who gets the most goals. But somehow i can relate, since my fantasy team the other night lost Erik Karlsson which i dont feel very good about, but i think i ended up deciding on that injuries happens, i will find a way!

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