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02-15-2013, 09:14 AM
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It's actually under 10 according to cap geek, you've missed the point though. After next season almost the entire team needs new contracts with the exception of Crosby, Neal, Martin and Fleury..

Let's ignore the fact that he's garbage, he's signed past next season which will be a problem considering he isn't a core piece and isn't worth 4 million dollars.


If the Avs wanna trade that bad contract, expect a bad contract in return. Nobody in their right mind is giving you much of anything valuable, and that includes first round picks and top 4 shutdown d men. Sorry boss.
I wasn't talking about Jones. Eff that contract. I'm referring to Setogucchi.

Yes the Pens have cap space, but I never said they should use all of it. Get a winger with term (1-2 yrs left) on a reasonable contract (3-3.5) and a rental player.

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02-15-2013, 09:20 AM
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Pens aren't trading Niskanen or Cooke.

My guess is there's a reason Bennett has been called up. Bennett for O'Reilly?

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02-15-2013, 09:22 AM
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My guess would be Seto and possible Bouchard

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Pens aren't trading Niskanen or Cooke.

My guess is there's a reason Bennett has been called up. Bennett for O'Reilly?
WHY?

O'Reilly isn't a winger and we have 3 centers that fit this team. Moreover, not trading the only winger through our farm that actually has the chance to develop into a top 6 winger.

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02-15-2013, 09:23 AM
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Pens aren't trading Niskanen or Cooke.

My guess is there's a reason Bennett has been called up. Bennett for O'Reilly?
Well if it was for OReilly why would he fly to the game to scout if hes not playing

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02-15-2013, 09:24 AM
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Pens aren't trading Niskanen or Cooke.

My guess is there's a reason Bennett has been called up. Bennett for O'Reilly?
I wouldn't trade Bennett for O'Reilly at all. First, Beau is your only true prospect that forward that can make impact in the NHL that is close to ready, unless you still have faith in the German. Secondly, O'Reilly can't play wing. He is a center and we don't need another center. ROR to Pittsburgh makes little sense.

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02-15-2013, 09:34 AM
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I wouldn't trade Bennett for O'Reilly at all. First, Beau is your only true prospect that forward that can make impact in the NHL that is close to ready, unless you still have faith in the German. Secondly, O'Reilly can't play wing. He is a center and we don't need another center. ROR to Pittsburgh makes little sense.
I don't disagree with what you said... It's just suspicious that Bennett was called up and the next day Shero is scouting this game.

I don't want to trade Bennett either, but I would for O'Reilly.

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02-15-2013, 09:36 AM
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OCPenguin, would you do Sutter for O'Reilly?

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02-15-2013, 09:40 AM
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kennedy for a 5% off coupon at the minnesota wild's official store

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02-15-2013, 09:45 AM
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OCPenguin, would you do Sutter for O'Reilly?
OCPenguin mentioned earlier that he wouldn't do that. Sutter's style fits the Pens better right now and he won't cost an arm and a leg.

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Avs wouldn't even consider Bennett for ROR and I am a huge Bennett fan (DU kid)

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I wasn't talking about Jones. Eff that contract. I'm referring to Setogucchi.

Yes the Pens have cap space, but I never said they should use all of it. Get a winger with term (1-2 yrs left) on a reasonable contract (3-3.5) and a rental player.
if you're talking about Seto, I don't understand your rant. No one has said anything about Seto WRT cap space. Most Pens fans are fine with his contract. It's adding a Jones or an Umberger or a Malone, who have >$4MM left for a significant period of time. The Pens shouldn't be interested in those guys.

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OCPenguin mentioned earlier that he wouldn't do that. Sutter's style fits the Pens better right now and he won't cost an arm and a leg.
In assets, and the fact that Sutter @ 2m >>> O'Reilly at 5m

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02-15-2013, 09:50 AM
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Avs wouldn't even consider Bennett for ROR and I am a huge Bennett fan (DU kid)
Neither would Pittsburgh. I'm not sure why O'Reilly is brought into his thread. He isn't a fit in Pittsburgh, and we're speculating who Shero could have been watching and it certainly wasn't him.

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02-15-2013, 09:58 AM
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OCPenguin, would you do Sutter for O'Reilly?
To be honest and it might be crazy, no I wouldn't. Part of the reason Staal wanted to bolt was not only he wanted to play with his brother, but he wanted an expanded role - say centering a first or second line. With Crosby and Malkin, ROR would be a third line center. IMO, you would find yourself in the same situation Staal was in with ROR one year down the road, when he is on a checking line, getting 13-15 goals and 45 points per year.

Brandon Sutter is the perfect third line center for the Pens. He isn't expensive; he plays a solid two-way game; has edge and wins face offs. He is also a strong penalty killer. He doesn't have the high goals just yet of wanting the expanded role of Staal. He is content.

ROR would be an expensive third line center. Sutter is a better fit play wise and cost wise.

Even if ROR could play wing and he can't, I wouldn't trade Sutter for him. Pittsburgh is adamant about keeping the strong up the middle in tact. You would be acquiring ROR to play wing, not center, leaving a huge void for third line center.


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02-15-2013, 10:03 AM
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Realistically, the Penguins are in Winnipeg, Ray Shero is from Minnesota. He's probably there to watch a hockey game. Maybe he's scouting players, but I don't see a deal happening.

EDIT: Sorry to be Buzz Killington.
Ray Shero was born in Minnesota. Isn't really from here, his Dad stopped coaching in Minnesota when he was like 3 and hasn't worked here since and Shero hasn't lived here since. Don't make a whole lot of life long by the age of 3 that he would be stopping by to visit.

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02-15-2013, 10:30 AM
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I wouldn't trade Bennett for O'Reilly at all. First, Beau is your only true prospect that forward that can make impact in the NHL that is close to ready, unless you still have faith in the German. Secondly, O'Reilly can't play wing. He is a center and we don't need another center. ROR to Pittsburgh makes little sense.
O'Reilly>>>>>>Bennett. I like Bennett but the 30 GM in the league would do it in an heartbeat.

this is a one way trade

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02-15-2013, 10:34 AM
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O'Reilly>>>>>>Bennett. I like Bennett but the 30 GM in the league would do it in an heartbeat.

this is a one way trade
For Pittsburgh, it makes little sense. If ROR could play wing, then maybe. But, he can't and we don't need another center. 29 GMs would do it in a heartbeat. I don't think Shero would and its not from a value standpoint.

I don't think you grasp the reasoning behind why Pittsburgh shouldn't do it.

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I sure hope the wild don't trade seto or bouchard in exchange for one of pitts forwards in return. There is literally no forward on that team other than malkin, crosby, or neal that would make this trade fair.

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I sure hope the wild don't trade seto or bouchard in exchange for one of pitts forwards in return. There is literally no forward on that team other than malkin, crosby, or neal that would make this trade fair.
lolwut

are you seriously suggesting that Seto/PMB for one of Malkin, Crosby, or Neal is FAIR value?

holy hell, people think Pens fans overrate their own players...

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02-15-2013, 10:58 AM
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lolwut

are you seriously suggesting that Seto/PMB for one of Malkin, Crosby, or Neal is FAIR value?

holy hell, people think Pens fans overrate their own players...

I was thinking the same thing when I read his post. You can add Kunitz and Dupes to that list as they also carry more value than Seto or Bouchard.

I find it funny as I have said 1,000,000 times. For a team that can't seem to score any goals, why are they wanting to deal a supposed 20-goal scorer in Seto or a talented forward like PMB? Sounds like they are either giving up on the season after breaking the bank on Suter and Parise, or they just don't think these two are all that and a bag of chips. Which is it?

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02-15-2013, 11:01 AM
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Please take Shane O'Brien away
Please take Shane O'Brien away
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Not O'Brien. We aren't in the market for a player of his caliber.

I wonder though if Shero wasn't looking at Milan Hejduk. He would be an interesting fit for Pittsburgh, if Colorado wanted to deal him. Older guy with skill that can hang with Sid or Malkin; brings leadership ... actually, I would like that idea.

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Everyone is mentioning Setoguchi...

In my opinion, Bouchard is much more likely to get traded.

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Not O'Brien. We aren't in the market for a player of his caliber.

I wonder though if Shero wasn't looking at Milan Hejduk. He would be an interesting fit for Pittsburgh, if Colorado wanted to deal him. Older guy with skill that can hang with Sid or Malkin; brings leadership ... actually, I would like that idea.
Hejduk goes nowhere for obvious reasons. If he wasn't who he was I wouldn't mind trading him but since he is a lifetime Av there is no way he could move.

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Not O'Brien. We aren't in the market for a player of his caliber.

I wonder though if Shero wasn't looking at Milan Hejduk. He would be an interesting fit for Pittsburgh, if Colorado wanted to deal him. Older guy with skill that can hang with Sid or Malkin; brings leadership ... actually, I would like that idea.
That won't happen.

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