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02-15-2013, 10:58 AM
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Would be nice and fine if Gaborik wasn't a better player than Nash or Callahan.

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02-15-2013, 10:59 AM
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Would be nice and fine if Gaborik wasn't a better player than Nash or Callahan.
You feel Gaborik is better than Nash?

I feel Gaborik is a better scorer than Callahan, overall player? Probably not.

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02-15-2013, 11:10 AM
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I don't think there would be many teams that take Callahan over Gaborik.

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02-15-2013, 11:12 AM
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I don't think there would be many teams that take Callahan over Gaborik.
Nash>Gaborik>Callahan in my opinion.

Although Callahan is the only one that brings any sort of intangibles.

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02-15-2013, 11:45 AM
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Marian Gaborik is NOT a "better" hockey player than Ryan Callahan.

Gaborik has more skill. But it doesn't matter when Gaborik is a lazy piece of **** and is only a factor once every 5 games. Callahan is "better" at every aspect of the game in all three zones, other then shooting the puck. He's a factor on every shift in some capacity.

For anyone who stat surfs, Gaborik looks "better".

There is a reason why coaches will put a player like Callahan on the ice in every situation.

Nash is by far and away this team's "best" forward. McDonagh is this team's "best" defenseman. Lundqvist is this team's "best" player.

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02-15-2013, 11:47 AM
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I don't think there would be many teams that take Callahan over Gaborik.
You'd be wrong about that.

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02-15-2013, 11:48 AM
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You feel Gaborik is better than Nash?

I feel Gaborik is a better scorer than Callahan, overall player? Probably not.
Gaborik is a better scorer, that is without a doubt true. And I'm not sure what overall means, if we are to count all skills and divide them a la NHL 13, I'd say Gaborik is still better. Of course Callahan is a better forechecker and hitter and an awesome leader, but better overall, no. And don't get me wrong, I love what Callahan brings to this team, and to us he is extremely valuable. What I'm saying I'd that the skills he got, can be easier replaced than those +40 goals that Gaborik provide.

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02-15-2013, 11:53 AM
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Marian Gaborik is NOT a "better" hockey player than Ryan Callahan.

Gaborik has more skill. But it doesn't matter when Gaborik is a lazy piece of **** and is only a factor once every 5 games. Callahan is "better" at every aspect of the game in all three zones, other then shooting the puck. He's a factor on every shift in some capacity.

For anyone who stat surfs, Gaborik looks "better".

There is a reason why coaches will put a player like Callahan on the ice in every situation.

Nash is by far and away this team's "best" forward. McDonagh is this team's "best" defenseman. Lundqvist is this team's "best" player.
I hate every aspect of Gaborik's game except his ability to score goals. However, he is elite in that regard, and it's a crucial part of the game.

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K. Do you think Callahan will get more money than Gaborik on their next contracts?

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02-15-2013, 11:55 AM
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This is comical.

If ever there was a juvenile conceptualization of the "perfect" hockey player, it is one who will make you "ooh" and "aah"on every shift. Its why that bum Zherdev got so much love.

When you're taking about a player who has given us two 40 goals seasons in 3 years, and will lead the team in goal scoring again this year, to suggest that somehow he is a lazy player is laughable. Gaborik isn't Brendl. He is one of the league's most dangerous players and will likely end his career with around 500 goals, much like Petr Bondra.

If I asked any of you would you want a 32 year old Petr Bondra on the team, you
d all be salivating. Because the grass is always greener.

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02-15-2013, 12:00 PM
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If I asked any of you would you want a 32 year old Petr Bondra on the team, you
d all be salivating.
If you asked us if we would want a 32 year old Gaborik, the answer would be a resounding yes.

No way I would take a 32 year old Bondra ahead of Rick Nash, either.

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02-15-2013, 12:01 PM
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This is comical.

If ever there was a juvenile conceptualization of the "perfect" hockey player, it is one who will make you "ooh" and "aah"on every shift. Its why that bum Zherdev got so much love.

When you're taking about a player who has given us two 40 goals seasons in 3 years, and will lead the team in goal scoring again this year, to suggest that somehow he is a lazy player is laughable. Gaborik isn't Brendl. He is one of the league's most dangerous players and will likely end his career with around 500 goals, much like Petr Bondra.

If I asked any of you would you want a 32 year old Petr Bondra on the team, you
d all be salivating. Because the grass is always greener.
Don't steal my line
And I agree with you.

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02-15-2013, 12:04 PM
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This is comical.

If ever there was a juvenile conceptualization of the "perfect" hockey player, it is one who will make you "ooh" and "aah"on every shift. Its why that bum Zherdev got so much love.

When you're taking about a player who has given us two 40 goals seasons in 3 years, and will lead the team in goal scoring again this year, to suggest that somehow he is a lazy player is laughable. Gaborik isn't Brendl. He is one of the league's most dangerous players and will likely end his career with around 500 goals, much like Petr Bondra.

If I asked any of you would you want a 32 year old Petr Bondra on the team, you
d all be salivating. Because the grass is always greener.
Gaborik isn't lazy?

LOL

What do you call floating around, not engaging, avoiding contact, not moving your feet? Working hard?

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Here's a crazy thought:

What if the Rangers traded Gaborik at the draft for futures. Say to Detroit for their 1st '13 + 1st '14 + prospect or something like that.

That opens up 7.5 million for next year. If the Rangers were to pursue Getzlaf in free agency, who would fit in this system MUCH better than Gaborik and with the overall team identity. Getzlaf plays with Nash. Richards with Callahan. Stepan is the 3rd line center.

After the 2013-2014 season if Richards hasn't picked it up buy him out without the fear of not having a #1 center.

I know it seems a little crazy and I am not saying I am totally for it, but it makes for an interesting discussion IMO as Getzlaf is much more suited to this Rangers style of play AND he adds much needed size and skill to the top-6.

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02-15-2013, 12:11 PM
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What do you call floating around, not engaging, avoiding contact, not moving your feet?
Effort-selective

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Gaborik isn't lazy?

LOL

What do you call floating around, not engaging, avoiding contact, not moving your feet? Working hard?
What do you call 7 goals in 12 games?

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02-15-2013, 12:14 PM
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Here's a crazy thought:

What if the Rangers traded Gaborik at the draft for futures. Say to Detroit for their 1st '13 + 1st '14 + prospect or something like that.

That opens up 7.5 million for next year. If the Rangers were to pursue Getzlaf in free agency, who would fit in this system MUCH better than Gaborik and with the overall team identity. Getzlaf plays with Nash. Richards with Callahan. Stepan is the 3rd line center.

After the 2013-2014 season if Richards hasn't picked it up buy him out without the fear of not having a #1 center.

I know it seems a little crazy and I am not saying I am totally for it, but it makes for an interesting discussion IMO as Getzlaf is much more suited to this Rangers style of play AND he adds much needed size and skill to the top-6.
Removing Gaborik and adding Getzlaf leaves the team with a lot more playmakers than goalscorers.

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02-15-2013, 12:15 PM
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Here's a crazy thought:

What if the Rangers traded Gaborik at the draft for futures. Say to Detroit for their 1st '13 + 1st '14 + prospect or something like that.

That opens up 7.5 million for next year. If the Rangers were to pursue Getzlaf in free agency, who would fit in this system MUCH better than Gaborik and with the overall team identity. Getzlaf plays with Nash. Richards with Callahan. Stepan is the 3rd line center.

After the 2013-2014 season if Richards hasn't picked it up buy him out without the fear of not having a #1 center.

I know it seems a little crazy and I am not saying I am totally for it, but it makes for an interesting discussion IMO as Getzlaf is much more suited to this Rangers style of play AND he adds much needed size and skill to the top-6.
I'm just throwing this out there, but it seems to me like every UFA we want is going to be "MUCH better" than whoever is on the team now until we get them, then they're underwhelming, and we start salivating about the next one who is DEFINITELY going to fit better. I'm not sure Getzlaf is the answer. I think a lot of the desire for him comes from the fact that we don't have him.

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What do you call 7 goals in 12 games?
A good goal scoring pace. Do you call it evidence of hard work?

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The criticisms regarding Gaborik's work ethic, or lack thereof, are somewhat valid. Seems like Torts has to bench him during games a few times a season just to light a fire under his ass. He's a talented player but would be even better if he had more drive and determination.

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A good goal scoring pace. Do you call it evidence of hard work?
I call it leading the team in goal scoring, he is there to receive the pass and bury it.
And he is getting goals from "the hard working areas".

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Callahan is more important in the Rangers lexicon than Gaborik. Nash has five years remaining on his contracts. Richards was supposed to the center for Nash. Nothing happened. Richards hasn't shown that he is worth the contract. Inconsistent last season. He said he will be better in his 2nd year. The lockout took care of the 2nd year. 6 day camp. 99 day season. Give Richards another season. 20 day camp. The NHL will probably go to Sochi. Full season.

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And he is getting goals from "the hard working areas".
I didn't know there were such things. I'm going to have to make sure to sit in those areas when my boss is watching.

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I'm just throwing this out there, but it seems to me like every UFA we want is going to be "MUCH better" than whoever is on the team now until we get them, then they're underwhelming, and we start salivating about the next one who is DEFINITELY going to fit better. I'm not sure Getzlaf is the answer. I think a lot of the desire for him comes from the fact that we don't have him.
Very possible. I just meant in terms of adding depth to the center ice position, adding size and strength which Torts apparently likes in his players and adding a player who is far more physically dominating than Gaborik.

We see the difference with Nash and Gaborik. Getzlaf is a similar type of player. A bit more cerebral than Nash as he is a center but physically he can be just as dominating.

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Removing Gaborik and adding Getzlaf leaves the team with a lot more playmakers than goalscorers.
That is a very good point. I guess it just depends on if you think Getzlaf, Richards and Stepan can raise the game of the players around them.

Nash
Callahan
Hagelin
Pyatt
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Young players like Fasth, Hrivik, Miller, Thomas, etc.

I guess I would rather be overly deep down the middle than have goal scoring depth on the wings but that is just the way I would build a team.

Like I said, just an interesting discussion.

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02-15-2013, 12:24 PM
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Callahan is more important in the Rangers lexicon than Gaborik. Nash has five years remaining on his contracts. Richards was supposed to the center for Nash. Nothing happened. Richards hasn't shown that he is worth the contract. Inconsistent last season. He said he will be better in his 2nd year. The lockout took care of the 2nd year. 6 day camp. 99 day season. Give Richards another season. 20 day camp. The NHL will probably go to Sochi. Full season.
This doesn't explain selling our top scorer for bit pieces. If the choice was between flipping Richards or Gaborik this offseason, the easy answer is Richards. Especially if Gaborik stays healthy all year and leads the team in goals again, which it looks like he will.

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I seriously wonder if Sather could find someone to take Richards. Toronto?
Finally, I bring this up like a month and a half ago, emphasizing it is not hate, just numbers, and we would have to trade him or more likely buy-out.

I got vilified for even bringing it up, like Richards was another St. Brad of Park.

Now finally, I am glad to see the truth being spoken.

It must have been the way I said it.

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